NBA Live 08 Hot Spots and online leagues discussed

by pastapadre
Posted September 5th, 2007 at 1:57 am
NBA Live 08 Chris Paul

A new preview of NBA Live 08 has been posted by 1up. While it is very brief it does contain some impressions on the Hot Spots feature and reiterates the thoughts I had on it.

Hot Spots for each shooter are accessible with the press of a bumper, but the problem is that there's no subtlety — since they're glaringly obvious, your defenders also know where your hot spots are. We dig NBA 2K8's treatment of hot spots better (a tiny meter shows you when you go to one on the court).

Going back to my full impressions of the Hot Spots feature this was my issue with it. While the logic behind creating 14 shooting ratings based on the location is right on and it did not create problems such as being too effective in the red zones, the visual representation of it was dominant and negatively affected the immersion of the game. I mentioned that in head-to-head games if your opponent pulled up their Hot Spots you knew they were thinking about shooting with the particular player they were controlling, heading towards a red section, or likely both.

It does sound like 2K8's visual display will be the preferable one, however we don't know yet if it will be as balanced and realistic in terms of execution as Live's is. However the same issue with the visual addition affecting play exists with 2K8 only in a different way. Instead of pulling up the zones and heading towards them, now users may just run around until they stumble upon them. On the plus side though it is much better for head-to head play.

The concept behind adding in all the ratings is a good one, however the visual aids should go. They're appropriate for practice mode and maybe viewing during timeouts. I also would be okay with them being on in the lower difficulty settings. Whether it be colored sections of the court or cell phone reception bars they come across gimmicky and change the way people will play the game as they'll be consciously seeking out the hot areas instead of working to get open shots naturally.

Continue on to read my thoughts on the new NBA Live leagues.

Another topic is the online leagues in Live. After finding out some of the details there has been some negative reaction to them, although overall most are satisfied that at least EA is attempting to improve their online experience with upcoming releases such as Live, NHL 08, and FIFA 08.

As detailed previously there are certain restrictions on the leagues such that they can't really be seen as leagues that many have become accustomed to. There can be 2-32 teams involved. However the same teams can be used, there are only 1-11 game seasons, there is no set schedule, no trading players, and in all likelihood no tracking of player stats. There has been no mention of a website for the leagues either. One thing that hasn't been touched on is how playoffs are handled and the reason could be that there are no playoffs. Hopefully that can be cleared up soon.

As someone who has run probably 25 or so leagues over the past several years there are certain aspects of this system that I like, and others that I don't. First I appreciate open systems so not having concrete scheduling is a positive thing. I have learned that the best way to keep owners interested is to take the stress out of playing in a league. They should be fun. And scheduling times to meet up only to have your opponent no show, waiting for owners who quit to be replaced, or being forced to wait for other owners to complete a "week" before you can play again is far from being fun.

This goes along with users getting their favorite teams. Rare enough is it to have solid owners who will keep playing through losing with their favorite teams. Stick them with a team they have no attachment to and the attempt is going to be futile. Again, for most people it's not fun to be forced to use a team they don't want.

With 2K's league systems (when actually working) you'd be hard pressed to find more than a handful of traditional leagues that had run successfully to completion. It is tough enough to finish a league with a group of people you're familiar with and communicate with on a regular basis. When you get into playing with randoms you can pretty much guarantee the league is going to crumble. At least with the open system there is a shot to have them go the distance.

However despite the open scheduling, they went and made other aspects curiously restrictive. Only allowing up to 11 games isn't going to appease the hardcore fans who may actually be able to run a normal league to completion. If there are no playoffs, once someone loses a few games they'll just stop playing.

Until we can find out more details, I'd consider the "online leagues" to be more of a glorified tournament. As soon as I can find out more or get the opportunity to try it out I'll pass along my impressions. 

Update: I have received more details on the league setup. You can check them out here.

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  • mj 23
    ITS HERE ITS HERE ITS FINALLY HERE! LIVE 08 DEMO IS NOW AVAILABLE FOR PSN IM DOWNLOADING RITE NOW 56% COMPLETE!
  • ReignMan
    It is crazy to argue about what to comment here, just write down, whatever is in your mind, your ideas, your opinions. If You do not agree, try to disprove it, not censor it. It is also the benefit of Pastapadre, more visitor for his homepage, higher reputation. The Holy Inquisition is over, Joel.

    I am also curious about the live 08 demo, but what I have seen so far, they did not do much in the last 12 month...
  • Rock Allah
    I have always prefered getting easports over any other except when the other companys make a better game, live has been boo-boo for 2 straight years and thats thier pattern so this year live will be good or they can cancel a long time supporter of ther products out
  • ThaLiveKing
    Y'all need to stop arguing on the internet!!! thanx Pasta for the updates
  • michael
    See guys, it makes perfect sense for it to release tomorrow on both the PSN and XBL.
  • joel0078
    Drop it already, Logic. I didnt say anything personal to you, or attack you in any manner. I'm here to gather information, just as you are. I'm not saying anything more to you, its obvious you'll continue this all day if I say anything more, and I'm done with it.
    Anyways, good to hear the demo has passed MS certification. I'll be looking for it over the weekend. Thanks again for your information, Pasta.
  • Dr Logic
    Thats only YOUR opinion. Stop living in the past(nbalivenation) and start your own board if you want to run things and tell people what to do. And for your info, i own about 80% of EAs'07 and 06' titles (no NASCAR or NHL) including NBAlive 07 and have every right to share my opinion. I think EA makes good games and I also, as most others do, think they can do a lot better w/some of their titles given their resources. Its not non-sense if its true. And trust me, no one cares if you check this site a little less then you use to.
  • That would be my guess, but there are no guarantees. I'll definitely be checking the marketplace at 2am PT/5am ET.
  • Jblaze
    So pasta do you know the how long it takes a demo to get on marketplace after it is certified.
  • nicee so u think it might be up tonight or 2 morrow morning pasta?
  • I just heard that the demo has officially passed MS certification. So it should literally be out very soon now.
  • joel0078
    I'm not suggesting anyones opinions get censored. If you want to define "expressing" an opinion as being someone who comes into your forum and blatantly bashes a game like a 12 year old child would, thats your choice. I don't call it an opinion, I call it being immature and childish and god knows there are far to many other websites that have enough of that going on. I understand everyone is anxious for the demo, as am I. But really, is it really necessary to whine and cry like a baby because it hasn't been released yet? So what? It will be out in due time, as EA has said. This "very soon" crap was ridiculous, no question. For the record and specifically to "Dr. Logic" I wasn't "threatening" anyone. You're taking this a little to out of context. Simply asking the creater of a board to retain some control over some of the childish remarks that have been on here as of lately, is certainly not a threat, but more of a request by someone who has been monitoring "pastapadre" since as long ago as his site was originally "nbalivenation". In either event, I guess I'm just irritated to see so many of the IGN and EASPORTS abusers jumping board over here and bringing their non sense with them. But, Pasta, its your board and you can deal with it how you'd like. I appreciate your constant up to date information, even though I'm slowly visiting this page less and less each week. Thanks again.
  • Dr Logic
    Joel 0078-

    take your own advice

    "It doesn’t matter which game you prefer, how about respecting the opinions and preferences of others."

    Pasta brings ALL OF US a lot of great info on upcoming games we want to hear about. That is greatly appreciated. Now stop me if i'm wrong here Pasta, but I think the purpose of this site is to discuss opinions on that information via postings. As Pasta does, I too believe that censorship is wrong except in extremley neccessary cases. Thats why I dont understand where you get off threatening and telling him to get a handle on it. It's not your website either. We all have valid opinions, even yours and its important that they're heard.
  • Joel- Sure I do have control over that, but I don't really believe in censoring opinions. I can only remember once or twice where I had no choice but to go in and edit or delete a comment.

    Now there certainly is a line that shouldn't be crossed and thats something that can be evaluated. I can understand your frustration over that. Theres one or two comments for this article that might be borderline. At the same time you don't have to read through the comments if you don't want to. I appreciate the feedback though and will take it under consideration.

    Hell even I'm anxious for the demo. Thats EA's doing though for coming out and saying "very soon" on Friday and now its been a good 5 days and running. It was only to be expected that people would get stirred up waiting.
  • michael
    think about it guys... New demos come out on PSN on thursdays. No exceptions. Very likely, the demo will release tomorrow, in order to create a simultaneous release. Instead of releasing it today on XBL, they are probably waiting til thursday to put it up on both networks. I hope I am right. I gave Live my faith this year, and if it still plays bad, I will never touch an EA game again.
  • joel0078
    First thing, can you all please stop whining and crying about the demo not being released yet. You guys sound like a bunch of 12 year old kids waiting for a christmas gift. Relax for a couple seconds. Yeah, we all want to play the demo, but stop crying over it not being available yet, please. Second thing, for those of you who continue to come here and talk trash about Live, go away already. Whether pasta is a Live fanboy or not, it shouldn't matter to you, this is his site and he prefers Live, stop coming here and bashing the game every chance you get, go away. Go to IGN and hang out with the other 10 year olds. It doesn't matter which game you prefer, how about respecting the opinions and preferences of others. I'm so tired of coming to this and web site, only to find a large group of morons who have nothing better to do than bash one game or the other. Its really easy, if you like Live, stay with boards the rep Live. If you like 2K stay on boards that rep 2K. If you're like me and you like both games, try your best to ignore idiots like some of those found around here. Pasta, on a serious note, do you really have no control over who you allow to post here? Or what you allow to be posted? For me, I come here because you have some good info. But everyday that passes this website gets more and more childish. I'm about to stop checking in here all together. Get a handle on this non sense.
  • shoeprint
    ???
  • [quote comment="3483"]Once again I don´t get it. People are almost wanting this game to be bad so they can say 2k8 is better. I´m not an EA fanboy or a 2k fanboy, I have every game ever released for both franchises. But every year I want both of then to be cool so I can have the option of playing two quality b-ball games instead of one. If I had a PS3, I´d also hope for NBA 08 to be cool. The sad thing is: I bet everybody would be pissed if 2k bought the NBA license just like EA did with the NFL, even the Live haters. So stop being Live campers or 2K lovers, let´s hope for great games. That´s what being a gamer is all about isn´t it?[/quote]

    Couldn't have said better myself. You notice the 2K8 guys are talking about 2K8 as if they've all played it and are absolute that is better.

    two quality games is always better than one. I play 2K but I want live to compete so as a consumer I have a choice for a change.

    where the hell is this Demo though.
  • Dantecamp
    Once again I don´t get it. People are almost wanting this game to be bad so they can say 2k8 is better. I´m not an EA fanboy or a 2k fanboy, I have every game ever released for both franchises. But every year I want both of then to be cool so I can have the option of playing two quality b-ball games instead of one. If I had a PS3, I´d also hope for NBA 08 to be cool. The sad thing is: I bet everybody would be pissed if 2k bought the NBA license just like EA did with the NFL, even the Live haters. So stop being Live campers or 2K lovers, let´s hope for great games. That´s what being a gamer is all about isn´t it?
  • Anthony
    I don't mind having colored zones on the floor for hotspots. It kind of like when you play baseball, you see a batter's hot and cold zones when you pitch to him. So, your opponent can see the hot and cold zones on the floor.
  • Dirk
    Artoficial:

    You sound like an EA dickryder. Your going to tell me that those graphics look good? Just look at the original screenshots EA put out earlier this summer and then look at those nasty gameplay screen shots. I will say the game looks pretty good on 360, but overall I'm not impressed. You can waste your money on this garbage, I'll definitely be getting 2k8.
  • [quote comment="3468"]http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/sports/nbalive08/images.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gsimage&tag=images;img;1

    Has anyone seen these Live 08 PS3 graphics, they are terrible. It looks like the PS2 version[/quote]

    you're a crack head, a blind one at that.
  • sdot927
    I read somewhere that you can play each team up to 11 times not just 11 games. I believe it was in a movie at gametrailers
  • Dr Logic
    Pasta, can you stop trying to sugarcoat nba live 08's shortcummings. just as i knew before, nba live was bluffing with a bag of new gimmicks and still has not managed to right so many of their wrongs. 2k7 has 10 times as many online league features. I always hear you say that their broken...there not. You can play a flex sched. in league, you can have up to 8-82 games, you can have a draft with all of league members, you can trade, 2k keeps all of your league stats right there in the game, there are real playoffs, and this is 2k7. Now of course not all leagues finished. Like you said, when you play with random people they may not neccessarily be commited. thats their problem . The reality is that most users dont want to continue if their having a losing season, but 2k's leagues are the most consistent and accomplished for any genre of sports games. All im saying, is while more and more facts are trickling out about 2k8 its becoming more and more evident that live 08 is a video game, and 2k8 is a comprehensive sim. Nba live08 is a bag of skittles, and 2k8 will be the candy store.
  • Dantecamp
    My hype for Live 08 is kinda losing momentum right now. Both gamespot and 1up said the game is still a litle rough on the edges. I had such high hopes for the game this year. I MUST play that demo NOW.
  • ReignMan
    Yes, especially the crowd looks like a psp game... I personally think, that this hot spot thing is not bad, You see it, only when You turn it on, and after a few games You will already know, where your scorers' got to be, when they throw away the ball, so You wont have to turn it on again.

    I have found an interesting thing:

    In an interview with the New York Times, Moore outlined some pretty amibitious proposals for the future of EA Sports. "There is a great opportunity to take EA Sports and turn it into a general sports brand that can compete not only with Take-Two and Konami and the other usual suspects in the video game world [but also to] compete with the likes of Nike and ESPN to win the hearts and minds of a very desirable demographic group, which is the 14-to-34-year-old male worldwide," he boomed.

    They can not even compete with 2K or Konami, (only on the fields of marketing) how could they face off such huge brands, like Nike or ESPN. They should focus on how to produce quality games, achive more year by year, not only slight modifications. Some east europeans developer teams are making an A+ game in 12 month from zero.

    I feel like EA is working on a new project: how to sell the same thing year after year with overwhelming marketing, advertisement and charming empty words.
  • Dirk
    http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/sports/nbalive08/im...

    Has anyone seen these Live 08 PS3 graphics, they are terrible. It looks like the PS2 version
  • I thought it would be out by now. Even on the NBA Live website there is a new blog entry that states it will be out "VERY soon". They don't seem to want to get more specific than that. So really it could show up at any time.
  • Dantecamp
    What about the demo Pasta? It's september 5th already...
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