1UP justifies SCEA’s pulled prerelease support with MLB 08 review

by pastapadre
Posted March 19th, 2008 at 3:24 am

Back in early January I wrote an article regarding how a few companies had decided to no longer provide 1UP/EGM with prerelease copies of their games. The companies in question felt that they were not being treated fairly and that they could go to other outlets instead. This wasn’t a case of trying to buy off reviews. Instead it was simply wanting their titles to be treated with the proper level of respect. There is obviously no way to stop them from reviewing the game however they weren’t going to provide them with the copies to do so.

One of those companies was SCEA who produces the MLB The Show franchise. Last year 1UP gave MLB 07 a ridiculous 5.5 which was the lowest score the game received. While people will concentrate on the low score the text of the review was riddled with misinformation and factual mistakes.

1UP has just posted its review of MLB 08: The Show giving it a score in their new rating scale of a B-. That equates out to a 6.7 per their system (of C=5) which is how Metacritic converted it. That is the second lowest score given to the game with only the embarrassing 6/10 from X-Play coming in below it. No other media outlet has even scored the game below an 8. Believe it or not this makes it two straight years that The Show is rated lower than 2K’s franchise by 1UP. This year MLB 2K8 on the PS3 got a 7.5 from them. Lets take a look at some of the points made in the review.

Sliding into a base kicks up a convincing cloud of dust, but it comes from a brown basepath that doesn’t really look like dirt. Wrigley Field’s ivy-covered walls look fine when seen from afar, but as the outfielder approaches, all that foliage looks more like bad wallpaper.

I really don’t even know what to say to this. That a one page review goes and cites these type of things early on is a sign of things to come.

lackluster commentary detracts from the whole experience. Sony brought in a professional sportscaster team anchored by San Diego Padres play-by-play announcer Matt Vasgersian, but they sound almost bored and isolated in their parts, as if they were recorded in separate studios.

If The Show’s commentary is “lackluster” I wonder how 2K8′s would be labeled. At the very least they call the Tampa Bay Rays by their name and didn’t just cut out the word “devil” and splice the remaining audio back together (as 2K8 did). The commentary is actually excellent and is often cited as one of the strong points of The Show.

But it’s unnecessarily small, compressing the movement of the meter, and even for ace pitchers it moves so fast you’re just stabbing at the buttons rather than getting in rhythm with the motion.

What??? Seriously, if you can’t handle the feel of a pitching meter maybe playing a baseball game isn’t for you. It has always felt natural timing wise going with each pitcher’s motion.

To make matters worse, even nailing the perfect release doesn’t guarantee results. This is where that pitch meter comes back into play. A pitcher who’s lost it on a given pitch won’t put that pitch where you want it no matter how well you groove the meter….While your pitcher is doing well, the system succeeds at giving you a sensation of accurate location and control….But when it starts to unravel, it falls apart completely. Give up a run and your confidence takes such a hit that every pitch suffers. Make one mistake with the touchy meter and a pitch can be rendered nearly unthrowable.

Ironically the meter is being knocked here for making it difficult to spot pitches at times. The opposite is the usual argument, so far as 2K determined they needed a whole new system to try and replicate the sometimes erratic nature of pitching. Please, if anyone has ever experienced the inability to control their pitches completely in the Show, speak up. I don’t expect anyone will.

Could this review be retribution on 1UP’s part? Possibly, but it’s hard to believe they would’ve given the game a fair review regardless considering their history of overall poor reviews for all sports games. So kudos to Sony for taking a stand and not putting up with the mistreatment of The Show. This review from 1UP just proved it was the right decision.

When it comes down to it MLB 08 The Show has two areas where it could really use improvement. Collision detection and online play. Funny though that they weren’t even mentioned as detractions in the 1UP review. In my assessment other than those two things the game shines as one of the most enjoyable, deep, and well made sports titles ever. So if I were to grade it out I would look at those downfalls, how much they meant to me, and measure that against everything else. In the case of online play (as disappointing as it can be at times) MLB 2K8 is actually worse in that area. So while the game isn’t perfect, it’s clearly the best baseball game available despite 1UP and X-Play trying to convince otherwise. If you haven’t already checked it out make sure to read my MLB 2K8 vs MLB 08: The Show comparison article.

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Eski

I, for one, recognize that reviewer scores are nothing but one person’s opinion. However, I also recognize that many readers look at these reviews which can impact on whether or not they either purchase, rent or ignore a game.
Eski

I, for one, recognize that reviewer scores are nothing but one person’s opinion. However, I also recognize that many readers look at these reviews which can impact on whether or not they either purchase, rent or ignore a game.
lakeallen

[quote comment="15746"]I, for one, recognize that reviewer scores are nothing but one person’s opinion. However, I also recognize that many readers look at these reviews which can impact on whether or not they either purchase, rent or ignore a game.[/quote]

there is no way anyone as a baseball gaming fan can play the show and come out giving it a low score like that. it can’t even be opinion here. either the person doesn’t like or understand baseball (which they shouldnt be reviewing it then) or they are showing a bias against the show/sony
lakeallen

[quote comment="15746"]I, for one, recognize that reviewer scores are nothing but one person’s opinion. However, I also recognize that many readers look at these reviews which can impact on whether or not they either purchase, rent or ignore a game.[/quote]

there is no way anyone as a baseball gaming fan can play the show and come out giving it a low score like that. it can’t even be opinion here. either the person doesn’t like or understand baseball (which they shouldnt be reviewing it then) or they are showing a bias against the show/sony
CrimsonVoodoo

My My My – a little over defensive?

The Show has generally got good reviews. Some people don’t like it. That’s life. You could spend the rest of your life rebutting critics reviews point by point for any sports games from any publisher

Many things I’ve read on this site, and others, regarding MLB 2K8 are patently false or extreme – you learn to let it go

As for Sony withholding pre-release copies – well that’s just foolish. If they didn’t think they were getting treated fairly before, that kind of arrogance sure puts a target on their back now. Of course they try and butter their way to a good review with pre-release copies, that’s what they all do. What do you think all those developer conference calls are for, the EA community days, the “hands on” previews??

Let’s face it – most game reviewers/sites are not ever gonna set the standard for Journalism 101. Rushing to the defense of Sony because of someone’s opinion doesn’t make this site look particularly objective or even handed either
CrimsonVoodoo

My My My – a little over defensive?

The Show has generally got good reviews. Some people don’t like it. That’s life. You could spend the rest of your life rebutting critics reviews point by point for any sports games from any publisher

Many things I’ve read on this site, and others, regarding MLB 2K8 are patently false or extreme – you learn to let it go

As for Sony withholding pre-release copies – well that’s just foolish. If they didn’t think they were getting treated fairly before, that kind of arrogance sure puts a target on their back now. Of course they try and butter their way to a good review with pre-release copies, that’s what they all do. What do you think all those developer conference calls are for, the EA community days, the “hands on” previews??

Let’s face it – most game reviewers/sites are not ever gonna set the standard for Journalism 101. Rushing to the defense of Sony because of someone’s opinion doesn’t make this site look particularly objective or even handed either
Sedihawk

I wouldn’t take it so personally Pasta. Clearly the Show review and the 2K8 review are only scratching the surface. These guys don’t look at these games with the kind of die-hard approach that you or many other baseball gamers do. It is really as if they throw the game in when it hits their desk, they play with it for an afternoon or so, then write a review. It’s almost as bad and inaccurate as the “first impression” threads that pop up at OS and elsewhere, and there’s always more to a game than first impressions. But these guys, they don’t know or care about skill levels, sliders, etc. You know from all your sports gaming experience that you just can’t do that with this type of game, especially baseball. So it is what it is.
Sedihawk

I wouldn’t take it so personally Pasta. Clearly the Show review and the 2K8 review are only scratching the surface. These guys don’t look at these games with the kind of die-hard approach that you or many other baseball gamers do. It is really as if they throw the game in when it hits their desk, they play with it for an afternoon or so, then write a review. It’s almost as bad and inaccurate as the “first impression” threads that pop up at OS and elsewhere, and there’s always more to a game than first impressions. But these guys, they don’t know or care about skill levels, sliders, etc. You know from all your sports gaming experience that you just can’t do that with this type of game, especially baseball. So it is what it is.
http://www.pastapadre.com/ pastapadre

[quote comment="15750"]I wouldn’t take it so personally Pasta. Clearly the Show review and the 2K8 review are only scratching the surface. These guys don’t look at these games with the kind of die-hard approach that you or many other baseball gamers do. It is really as if they throw the game in when it hits their desk, they play with it for an afternoon or so, then write a review. It’s almost as bad and inaccurate as the “first impression” threads that pop up at OS and elsewhere, and there’s always more to a game than first impressions. But these guys, they don’t know or care about skill levels, sliders, etc. You know from all your sports gaming experience that you just can’t do that with this type of game, especially baseball. So it is what it is.[/quote]

I wouldn’t say I’m taking anything personally, I’m just generally perturbed by reviews. In this case there is clearly more in play with the EGM/1UP & Sony dynamic which is interesting.

It’s just amusing to me that a game that needs multiple patches just to run as it was advertised it would gets rated higher by 1Up and X-Play. Hell, the PS3 version isn’t even going to get the framerate patch and that’s the version which is being compared to The Show.
http://www.pastapadre.com pastapadre

[quote comment="15750"]I wouldn’t take it so personally Pasta. Clearly the Show review and the 2K8 review are only scratching the surface. These guys don’t look at these games with the kind of die-hard approach that you or many other baseball gamers do. It is really as if they throw the game in when it hits their desk, they play with it for an afternoon or so, then write a review. It’s almost as bad and inaccurate as the “first impression” threads that pop up at OS and elsewhere, and there’s always more to a game than first impressions. But these guys, they don’t know or care about skill levels, sliders, etc. You know from all your sports gaming experience that you just can’t do that with this type of game, especially baseball. So it is what it is.[/quote]

I wouldn’t say I’m taking anything personally, I’m just generally perturbed by reviews. In this case there is clearly more in play with the EGM/1UP & Sony dynamic which is interesting.

It’s just amusing to me that a game that needs multiple patches just to run as it was advertised it would gets rated higher by 1Up and X-Play. Hell, the PS3 version isn’t even going to get the framerate patch and that’s the version which is being compared to The Show.
http://www.zshare.net/download/6518525cdd035a/ shoeprint

Both 2k and The Show have so many ticks and frame errors I cant play it… They havent got baseball right since Ken Griffey on SNES. Thats why I can only rent those games and not buy them because I would not play them that much, I feel like im playing Madden online when im offline w/ next gen baseball games
http://www.zshare.net/download/6518525cdd035a/ shoeprint

Both 2k and The Show have so many ticks and frame errors I cant play it… They havent got baseball right since Ken Griffey on SNES. Thats why I can only rent those games and not buy them because I would not play them that much, I feel like im playing Madden online when im offline w/ next gen baseball games
r00tabaga

I have played both games and feel that they both clearly have their own unique strengths and weaknesses. I liked the Show’s commentary. Personally I like turning off 2k’s commentary and turning up umpires all the way and use my own custom tracks. Both games coulda been alot better…
r00tabaga

I have played both games and feel that they both clearly have their own unique strengths and weaknesses. I liked the Show’s commentary. Personally I like turning off 2k’s commentary and turning up umpires all the way and use my own custom tracks. Both games coulda been alot better…
gerson ruiz

Are u nuts (mlb 08 the show) runs at a consistent 60fps in 1080p resolution with no slowdown at all.Unlike mlb2k8 the show beats it in every aspect gameplay, presentation,features, and graphics it’s so obvious u can’t even have a opinion on it. It’s like comparing who is hotter jessica alba or whoopi goldberg,and say whoopi is hotter then jessica then u are retarded.U are seeing things that are not there (mlb 08 the show )is the greatest baseball video game in history point blank.mlb 2k8 is garbage unplayable 2k sports has no excuse for it.
gerson ruiz

Are u nuts (mlb 08 the show) runs at a consistent 60fps in 1080p resolution with no slowdown at all.Unlike mlb2k8 the show beats it in every aspect gameplay, presentation,features, and graphics it’s so obvious u can’t even have a opinion on it. It’s like comparing who is hotter jessica alba or whoopi goldberg,and say whoopi is hotter then jessica then u are retarded.U are seeing things that are not there (mlb 08 the show )is the greatest baseball video game in history point blank.mlb 2k8 is garbage unplayable 2k sports has no excuse for it.
Footballforever

These guys at 1up are a bunch of idiots, there babies, they don’t get a copy of the game early so they bash it. I own both games and 2k8 needs more then work, it needs a whole new face lift. The guy is completely wrong about Wrigley, he must just want to tarnish the game in anyway he can, fir that, I think 1up is crap, thats my opinion.
Footballforever

These guys at 1up are a bunch of idiots, there babies, they don’t get a copy of the game early so they bash it. I own both games and 2k8 needs more then work, it needs a whole new face lift. The guy is completely wrong about Wrigley, he must just want to tarnish the game in anyway he can, fir that, I think 1up is crap, thats my opinion.
CrimsonVoodoo

Exhibit A in the Case of “There Is No Rational Argument on The Internet”

See Gerson Ruiz post above
CrimsonVoodoo

Exhibit A in the Case of “There Is No Rational Argument on The Internet”

See Gerson Ruiz post above
Bumble14

[quote comment="15755"]Both 2k and The Show have so many ticks and frame errors I cant play it… They havent got baseball right since Ken Griffey on SNES. Thats why I can only rent those games and not buy them because I would not play them that much, I feel like im playing Madden online when im offline w/ next gen baseball games[/quote]

Wow- I was pretty sure the show it the smoothest, best playing baseball game I’ve touched since MVP 05-you sure you’ve played the show- no frame rate errors for me.

Honestly, I am a huge fan of baseball, played baseball through college, and still play to this day- and I have to say the show is mighty impressive. If you actually know baseball there is no way you gve the Show 08 anything less than a 9.0. There are a few silly things that happen, but that game is OUTSTANDING in every aspect. I bought a PS3 for that game, and only that game–that is saying something.

MLB 2K8 isn’t even on par with an N64 baseball game- and I was a somewhat fan of 2k7 (thought things were headed in the right direction). The game is just terrible.

1UP is probably trying to make some sort of point because they think they are special. Game review sites are jokes- I imuch prefer smaller independent sites like Pasta’s.
Bumble14

[quote comment="15755"]Both 2k and The Show have so many ticks and frame errors I cant play it… They havent got baseball right since Ken Griffey on SNES. Thats why I can only rent those games and not buy them because I would not play them that much, I feel like im playing Madden online when im offline w/ next gen baseball games[/quote]

Wow- I was pretty sure the show it the smoothest, best playing baseball game I’ve touched since MVP 05-you sure you’ve played the show- no frame rate errors for me.

Honestly, I am a huge fan of baseball, played baseball through college, and still play to this day- and I have to say the show is mighty impressive. If you actually know baseball there is no way you gve the Show 08 anything less than a 9.0. There are a few silly things that happen, but that game is OUTSTANDING in every aspect. I bought a PS3 for that game, and only that game–that is saying something.

MLB 2K8 isn’t even on par with an N64 baseball game- and I was a somewhat fan of 2k7 (thought things were headed in the right direction). The game is just terrible.

1UP is probably trying to make some sort of point because they think they are special. Game review sites are jokes- I imuch prefer smaller independent sites like Pasta’s.
Josh Schmidt

Without a question, MLB The Show 08 is a better baseball sim than MLB 2K8.

But I agree with CrimsonVoodoo, you are a little defensive. Even though I enjoy most of the content on this website, you always seem to have a slight grudge against 2K Sports games, Pasta. For example, you made a post a couple days ago berating 2K for releasing MLB 2K8 with its flaws which I can agree with. But, it doesn’t seem that EA Sports got the same harsh criticism from you in regards to Madden 2008.
Josh Schmidt

Without a question, MLB The Show 08 is a better baseball sim than MLB 2K8.

But I agree with CrimsonVoodoo, you are a little defensive. Even though I enjoy most of the content on this website, you always seem to have a slight grudge against 2K Sports games, Pasta. For example, you made a post a couple days ago berating 2K for releasing MLB 2K8 with its flaws which I can agree with. But, it doesn’t seem that EA Sports got the same harsh criticism from you in regards to Madden 2008.
pastapadre

[quote comment="15764"]Without a question, MLB The Show 08 is a better baseball sim than MLB 2K8.

But I agree with CrimsonVoodoo, you are a little defensive. Even though I enjoy most of the content on this website, you always seem to have a slight grudge against 2K Sports games, Pasta. For example, you made a post a couple days ago berating 2K for releasing MLB 2K8 with its flaws which I can agree with. But, it doesn’t seem that EA Sports got the same harsh criticism from you in regards to Madden 2008.[/quote]

Ha, well you must not have been around when I was writing on what seemed like a daily basis about the terrible online play for NCAA and Madden, and the non-functioning EA Sports World features for Tiger Woods.

I think I’ve been very fair towards 2K8. I really wanted to like the game, I provided varied and steady coverage on it. 2K8 was going to be where I played a lot online (I talked about that and the cards a lot leading up to release) but with the horrible experience they delivered there it didn’t turn out that way. Unfortunately online for both has been at the least a disappointment so I’ve switched priorities to Road to the Show mode. When you’re going back and forth between the two games the quality of one really stands out over the other.
pastapadre

[quote comment="15764"]Without a question, MLB The Show 08 is a better baseball sim than MLB 2K8.

But I agree with CrimsonVoodoo, you are a little defensive. Even though I enjoy most of the content on this website, you always seem to have a slight grudge against 2K Sports games, Pasta. For example, you made a post a couple days ago berating 2K for releasing MLB 2K8 with its flaws which I can agree with. But, it doesn’t seem that EA Sports got the same harsh criticism from you in regards to Madden 2008.[/quote]

Ha, well you must not have been around when I was writing on what seemed like a daily basis about the terrible online play for NCAA and Madden, and the non-functioning EA Sports World features for Tiger Woods.

I think I’ve been very fair towards 2K8. I really wanted to like the game, I provided varied and steady coverage on it. 2K8 was going to be where I played a lot online (I talked about that and the cards a lot leading up to release) but with the horrible experience they delivered there it didn’t turn out that way. Unfortunately online for both has been at the least a disappointment so I’ve switched priorities to Road to the Show mode. When you’re going back and forth between the two games the quality of one really stands out over the other.
joe

I find 08 the show as an updated roster and graphics game only. this is cus i could not care less about online and RTTS. i only play franchise and it’s exactly the same cept a few different GUI changes. This is SAD! I find 07 the show much better in pitching because the pitch speed is slower then 08. 08 is pathetic. they made it WAY to fast even at 0 setting. meaning bar totally gone. the ball has no details at all in 08 and the ball has detail in 07.

what i like better about 08 the show over 07 is the graphics and that’s it really. it offers absolutely nothing new in the franchise! how pathetic of Sony to not even freaking touch franchise.
joe

I find 08 the show as an updated roster and graphics game only. this is cus i could not care less about online and RTTS. i only play franchise and it’s exactly the same cept a few different GUI changes. This is SAD! I find 07 the show much better in pitching because the pitch speed is slower then 08. 08 is pathetic. they made it WAY to fast even at 0 setting. meaning bar totally gone. the ball has no details at all in 08 and the ball has detail in 07.

what i like better about 08 the show over 07 is the graphics and that’s it really. it offers absolutely nothing new in the franchise! how pathetic of Sony to not even freaking touch franchise.
Andrew

I have to say that a B- for the game is pretty pitiful, but I also have to completely agree with the pitching mechanic. I’ve watched a lot of baseball in my life, and seen pitchers get into some really tough spots and get out of them. Sure, there are some who struggle, but I’ve seen Josh Beckett walk 2 guys, give up a hit, and still get out of an inning. In the show, you make one bad pitch, give up a single, whatever, and you start throwing like you’re on drugs. It’s really pretty ridiculous, and unrealistic and frustrating. It also does seem as though even when you throw a perfect pitch, your pitcher will not locate properly. I don’t know if this is meant to happen because no one is perfect, or what, but it can be frustrating as well.

That being said, that’s the only flaw I can find in 08. I tried the 2k8 demo on 360, and I have to say, it was awful. The fielding was clunky and frustrating. The pitching mechanic was so difficult and unintuitive, I wanted to throw something through the wall. (I lost my first game 45-0 because of it). I mean the pitching mechanic so outweighed the confidence Garnett is talking about in 08, it’s incredible. You make one slight mistake with the 2k8 meter, and the batter hits it out of the park. The hitting was distracting having to pull back and swing (I spent more time thinking about pulling the stick back than the location and ended up swinging at everything). And the commentary is definitely not as good.

So although he has a point about The Show, giving 2k8 a higher score is the problem here. So so sad.
Andrew

I have to say that a B- for the game is pretty pitiful, but I also have to completely agree with the pitching mechanic. I’ve watched a lot of baseball in my life, and seen pitchers get into some really tough spots and get out of them. Sure, there are some who struggle, but I’ve seen Josh Beckett walk 2 guys, give up a hit, and still get out of an inning. In the show, you make one bad pitch, give up a single, whatever, and you start throwing like you’re on drugs. It’s really pretty ridiculous, and unrealistic and frustrating. It also does seem as though even when you throw a perfect pitch, your pitcher will not locate properly. I don’t know if this is meant to happen because no one is perfect, or what, but it can be frustrating as well.

That being said, that’s the only flaw I can find in 08. I tried the 2k8 demo on 360, and I have to say, it was awful. The fielding was clunky and frustrating. The pitching mechanic was so difficult and unintuitive, I wanted to throw something through the wall. (I lost my first game 45-0 because of it). I mean the pitching mechanic so outweighed the confidence Garnett is talking about in 08, it’s incredible. You make one slight mistake with the 2k8 meter, and the batter hits it out of the park. The hitting was distracting having to pull back and swing (I spent more time thinking about pulling the stick back than the location and ended up swinging at everything). And the commentary is definitely not as good.

So although he has a point about The Show, giving 2k8 a higher score is the problem here. So so sad.
Lol.

Any of you every leave the home?…maybe play a real game of baseball or lift some weight lol.

Yeah didnt think so.
Lol.

Any of you every leave the home?…maybe play a real game of baseball or lift some weight lol.

Yeah didnt think so.
r00tabaga

I’ve found that people who bash mlb2k are people who get frustrated easy and go back to “simplified” controls. It’s a learning curve that most casual baseball guys suck at and dump on it. There are faults w/ both and the Show does many things well but nothing great. Whereas 2k makes me never want to leave analog controls the same way NHL08 and Tiger did…..
r00tabaga

I’ve found that people who bash mlb2k are people who get frustrated easy and go back to “simplified” controls. It’s a learning curve that most casual baseball guys suck at and dump on it. There are faults w/ both and the Show does many things well but nothing great. Whereas 2k makes me never want to leave analog controls the same way NHL08 and Tiger did…..
CrimsonVoodoo

1st off – I really like the site, and it does a nice job and staying above the fray. Pasta, kudos to you for a nice site that always has fast breaking news

That said – it’s hard NOT to think there’s a bias when 2K releases a press release and you inject sarcastic commentary, and follow it up with a headline story that decries a bad review of The Show

As I’ve said before – 2K should be criticized for releasing a game that has a serious frame rate issue. The online component is surprisingly weak for a 2K title. However all these posts that go on about the game being “unplayable” and the like have either never played the game (most problems on the Internet could be solved when we invent On-Line Lie Detectors)or never took the time to learn the control schemes
CrimsonVoodoo

1st off – I really like the site, and it does a nice job and staying above the fray. Pasta, kudos to you for a nice site that always has fast breaking news

That said – it’s hard NOT to think there’s a bias when 2K releases a press release and you inject sarcastic commentary, and follow it up with a headline story that decries a bad review of The Show

As I’ve said before – 2K should be criticized for releasing a game that has a serious frame rate issue. The online component is surprisingly weak for a 2K title. However all these posts that go on about the game being “unplayable” and the like have either never played the game (most problems on the Internet could be solved when we invent On-Line Lie Detectors)or never took the time to learn the control schemes
nyr2k2

That review does seem overly nitpick-y, I’ll say that. Whether it’s 1UP being butt hurt over Sony not giving them a pre-release, who knows? The game is scored far too low, IMO. Though, as I’ve said here before many times, reviews are just people’s opinions.
nyr2k2

That review does seem overly nitpick-y, I’ll say that. Whether it’s 1UP being butt hurt over Sony not giving them a pre-release, who knows? The game is scored far too low, IMO. Though, as I’ve said here before many times, reviews are just people’s opinions.
nyr2k2

[quote comment="15770"]Any of you every leave the home?…maybe play a real game of baseball or lift some weight lol.

Yeah didnt think so.[/quote]

Other than playing hockey since I was 8, soccer since I was 10, and baseball through college, no, I never get out of the house and I certainly never lift weights.

Thanks for the contribution there, Lol. You’ve got nothing better to do than post baseless criticisms anonymously over the internet, yet you’re going to question the lifestyle of others? Good work.
nyr2k2

[quote comment="15770"]Any of you every leave the home?…maybe play a real game of baseball or lift some weight lol.

Yeah didnt think so.[/quote]

Other than playing hockey since I was 8, soccer since I was 10, and baseball through college, no, I never get out of the house and I certainly never lift weights.

Thanks for the contribution there, Lol. You’ve got nothing better to do than post baseless criticisms anonymously over the internet, yet you’re going to question the lifestyle of others? Good work.
Bumble14

[quote comment="15771"]I’ve found that people who bash mlb2k are people who get frustrated easy and go back to “simplified” controls. It’s a learning curve that most casual baseball guys suck at and dump on it. There are faults w/ both and the Show does many things well but nothing great. Whereas 2k makes me never want to leave analog controls the same way NHL08 and Tiger did…..[/quote]

You’re kidding right? Because I forgot that the choppy framerate, terrible animations, terrible announcing, terrible hitting engine, terrible fielding controls, and ohh yeah terrible frame rate again- had to do with me being a “casual” baseball game fan who can’t deal with the learning curve?

Did you mean learning curve to deal with a crappy game?
Bumble14

[quote comment="15771"]I’ve found that people who bash mlb2k are people who get frustrated easy and go back to “simplified” controls. It’s a learning curve that most casual baseball guys suck at and dump on it. There are faults w/ both and the Show does many things well but nothing great. Whereas 2k makes me never want to leave analog controls the same way NHL08 and Tiger did…..[/quote]

You’re kidding right? Because I forgot that the choppy framerate, terrible animations, terrible announcing, terrible hitting engine, terrible fielding controls, and ohh yeah terrible frame rate again- had to do with me being a “casual” baseball game fan who can’t deal with the learning curve?

Did you mean learning curve to deal with a crappy game?
DA Yankees Win

^^^ Just because u dont like a game doesnt mean its crappy.^^^
DA Yankees Win

^^^ Just because u dont like a game doesnt mean its crappy.^^^
r00tabaga

I don’t use the announcers so I don’t care about that. From what I played, I liked the Show. Besides the “obvious by now” framerate issue w/2k, you sound like you haven’t played the game at all and are reaching…btw, the animations and sigs are better than anything the Show has. I said they both need work tho…I just prefer 2k’s controls alot more right now………………sorry-
r00tabaga

I don’t use the announcers so I don’t care about that. From what I played, I liked the Show. Besides the “obvious by now” framerate issue w/2k, you sound like you haven’t played the game at all and are reaching…btw, the animations and sigs are better than anything the Show has. I said they both need work tho…I just prefer 2k’s controls alot more right now………………sorry-
http://operationsports.com/ Chase

There’s no true convergence scale for a B- regardless of what Metacritic puts up — and using Metacritic as an argument point still is shenanigans to me but that’s a different argument — and 1UP has made that clear. A B- is a B- which seems to be in letter form still a good score.

I’m perfectly fine with this review because it’s just one person’s opinion as is any review. There’s no real “factual” errors in the review, and the person who did the MLB 2K8 review didn’t do the MLB ’08: The Show review. It’s a different person than last year, and both Zuniga and Lee I’d say aren’t the most “hardcore” sports gamers. Zuniga does a good job covering them but he’s not overly good at most of the games and he makes that clear. Lee is more of a football guy from what I’ve gathered over the years but he’s a sports fan in general as well.

Either way I don’t think this is a way of trying to get back at Sony or SCE Sports specifically, and in general I don’t think 1UP’s sports review are unfair. You can perhaps think they are uneducated, but I think they just take a different and perhaps a bit more casual approach to sports games than many other publications.

But we’ve argued about reviews in the past and how Sony handled this situation as well Pasta so I think we just tend to agree to disagree on this front, which is fine with me.
http://operationsports.com Chase

There’s no true convergence scale for a B- regardless of what Metacritic puts up — and using Metacritic as an argument point still is shenanigans to me but that’s a different argument — and 1UP has made that clear. A B- is a B- which seems to be in letter form still a good score.

I’m perfectly fine with this review because it’s just one person’s opinion as is any review. There’s no real “factual” errors in the review, and the person who did the MLB 2K8 review didn’t do the MLB ’08: The Show review. It’s a different person than last year, and both Zuniga and Lee I’d say aren’t the most “hardcore” sports gamers. Zuniga does a good job covering them but he’s not overly good at most of the games and he makes that clear. Lee is more of a football guy from what I’ve gathered over the years but he’s a sports fan in general as well.

Either way I don’t think this is a way of trying to get back at Sony or SCE Sports specifically, and in general I don’t think 1UP’s sports review are unfair. You can perhaps think they are uneducated, but I think they just take a different and perhaps a bit more casual approach to sports games than many other publications.

But we’ve argued about reviews in the past and how Sony handled this situation as well Pasta so I think we just tend to agree to disagree on this front, which is fine with me.
nyr2k2

[quote comment="15779"]^^^ Just because u dont like a game doesnt mean its crappy.^^^[/quote]

And just because you like it doesn’t mean the game is good! So where does that leave us? Opinions.
nyr2k2

[quote comment="15779"]^^^ Just because u dont like a game doesnt mean its crappy.^^^[/quote]

And just because you like it doesn’t mean the game is good! So where does that leave us? Opinions.