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		<title>By: The Saint</title>
		<link>http://www.pastapadre.com/2008/04/17/another-prizefighter-preview/comment-page-1#comment-18099</link>
		<dc:creator>The Saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 22:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;18097&quot;]The Forum Administrator (ronnie.singh)over at 2ksports forum said and I quote &quot;Let me answer something that is causing issues:
Career mode is NOT one and done. I am not sure where this rumor came from.&quot;[/quote]
This was Eurogamer&#039;s fault.  There is no branching storyline and they assumed it was one loss and game over, which I personally don&#039;t mind even if that was the case.  Still, I hope the moderator is accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="18097"]The Forum Administrator (ronnie.singh)over at 2ksports forum said and I quote &#8220;Let me answer something that is causing issues:<br />
Career mode is NOT one and done. I am not sure where this rumor came from.&#8221;[/quote]<br />
This was Eurogamer&#8217;s fault.  There is no branching storyline and they assumed it was one loss and game over, which I personally don&#8217;t mind even if that was the case.  Still, I hope the moderator is accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: you</title>
		<link>http://www.pastapadre.com/2008/04/17/another-prizefighter-preview/comment-page-1#comment-18097</link>
		<dc:creator>you</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Forum Administrator (ronnie.singh)over at 2ksports forum said and I quote &quot;Let me answer something that is causing issues:
Career mode is NOT one and done. I am not sure where this rumor came from.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Forum Administrator (ronnie.singh)over at 2ksports forum said and I quote &#8220;Let me answer something that is causing issues:<br />
Career mode is NOT one and done. I am not sure where this rumor came from.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.pastapadre.com/2008/04/17/another-prizefighter-preview/comment-page-1#comment-18038</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:59:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys lets face it, this game better be as good as Fight Night or else it&#039;s a total failure.  I for one am hoping that it is as good if not better because boxing is my favorite sport.  There&#039;s nothing like one on one fighting it out.  It&#039;s unlike any other sport.  Point being that if the gameplay is not up to par then that would be unexcusable on 2K&#039;s part.  They&#039;ve had plenty of time to study Fight Night &amp; develop a competetor.  All the cool story mode stuff wont mean anything if the gameplay isn&#039;t as good.  I don&#039;t know about you guys but I was expecting a little more then what I&#039;m seeing so far. Let&#039;s hope the final product doesn&#039;t let down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys lets face it, this game better be as good as Fight Night or else it&#8217;s a total failure.  I for one am hoping that it is as good if not better because boxing is my favorite sport.  There&#8217;s nothing like one on one fighting it out.  It&#8217;s unlike any other sport.  Point being that if the gameplay is not up to par then that would be unexcusable on 2K&#8217;s part.  They&#8217;ve had plenty of time to study Fight Night &amp; develop a competetor.  All the cool story mode stuff wont mean anything if the gameplay isn&#8217;t as good.  I don&#8217;t know about you guys but I was expecting a little more then what I&#8217;m seeing so far. Let&#8217;s hope the final product doesn&#8217;t let down.</p>
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		<title>By: o'rly</title>
		<link>http://www.pastapadre.com/2008/04/17/another-prizefighter-preview/comment-page-1#comment-18033</link>
		<dc:creator>o'rly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;18031&quot;]Actually no. That message was to Night Owl. Any time you can say something like this:

[i]Prizefighter will SMASH that garbage FNR3 and all you EA fanboys will BOW DOWN!!![/i]

...about a game you&#039;ve never played before... you are a fanboy.

Personally... I&#039;ve been buying and enjoying 2K products for about 6 years now and haven&#039;t needed anything from EA. Although a friend bought me FN2 for the Xbox and I picked up Madden &#039;07 (HoF Edition) used recently. But that was my first Madden game since 2001 for the CPU... which I also bought on sale somewhere.[/quote]
        
oh OH ok yes well darkheath ive always known you to be the one to tell it like it is....a point indeed and quite still a good point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="18031"]Actually no. That message was to Night Owl. Any time you can say something like this:</p>
<p>[i]Prizefighter will SMASH that garbage FNR3 and all you EA fanboys will BOW DOWN!!![/i]</p>
<p>&#8230;about a game you&#8217;ve never played before&#8230; you are a fanboy.</p>
<p>Personally&#8230; I&#8217;ve been buying and enjoying 2K products for about 6 years now and haven&#8217;t needed anything from EA. Although a friend bought me FN2 for the Xbox and I picked up Madden &#8216;07 (HoF Edition) used recently. But that was my first Madden game since 2001 for the CPU&#8230; which I also bought on sale somewhere.[/quote]</p>
<p>oh OH ok yes well darkheath ive always known you to be the one to tell it like it is&#8230;.a point indeed and quite still a good point.</p>
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		<title>By: darkheath</title>
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		<dc:creator>darkheath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually no. That message was to Night Owl. Any time you can say something like this:

[i]Prizefighter will SMASH that garbage FNR3 and all you EA fanboys will BOW DOWN!!![/i]


...about a game you&#039;ve never played before... you are a fanboy.

Personally... I&#039;ve been buying and enjoying 2K products for about 6 years now and haven&#039;t needed anything from EA. Although a friend bought me FN2 for the Xbox and I picked up Madden &#039;07 (HoF Edition) used recently. But that was my first Madden game since 2001 for the CPU... which I also bought on sale somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually no. That message was to Night Owl. Any time you can say something like this:</p>
<p>[i]Prizefighter will SMASH that garbage FNR3 and all you EA fanboys will BOW DOWN!!![/i]</p>
<p>&#8230;about a game you&#8217;ve never played before&#8230; you are a fanboy.</p>
<p>Personally&#8230; I&#8217;ve been buying and enjoying 2K products for about 6 years now and haven&#8217;t needed anything from EA. Although a friend bought me FN2 for the Xbox and I picked up Madden &#8216;07 (HoF Edition) used recently. But that was my first Madden game since 2001 for the CPU&#8230; which I also bought on sale somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: o'rly</title>
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		<dc:creator>o'rly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;17989&quot;]It&#039;s funny when you see a fanboy call someone else a fanboy.

So Night Owl, just curious, since I never played it... was FN3 slower than FN2?

And also.. why was everyone complaining about the speed? If you ask me, boxing IS a slow sport with occasional periods of flurry. Am I not right? The matches are not constant pummeling... there&#039;s a lot of dancing around, a lot of hugging... a lot of feeling out the other guy, especially in the early rounds. That&#039;s how I see boxing anyway.

I felt FN2 was a huge step in the right direction from Knockout Kings where you could throw a few hundred punches in a single round. If FN3 slowed it down even more... it sounds like it would be pretty realistic.[/quote]
        

was that to me? no im not a fan boy infact, im calling out all the EA people here calling out the faults in this game when the exact ones are the first to defend Ncaa 09 or madden collectors edition with the persistant error. to me i dont care 2k and EA are a business...so the odds of them knowing my name is slim to none. I want whats good and makes sense.. whether EA or 2k. all i say is keep it real...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="17989"]It&#8217;s funny when you see a fanboy call someone else a fanboy.</p>
<p>So Night Owl, just curious, since I never played it&#8230; was FN3 slower than FN2?</p>
<p>And also.. why was everyone complaining about the speed? If you ask me, boxing IS a slow sport with occasional periods of flurry. Am I not right? The matches are not constant pummeling&#8230; there&#8217;s a lot of dancing around, a lot of hugging&#8230; a lot of feeling out the other guy, especially in the early rounds. That&#8217;s how I see boxing anyway.</p>
<p>I felt FN2 was a huge step in the right direction from Knockout Kings where you could throw a few hundred punches in a single round. If FN3 slowed it down even more&#8230; it sounds like it would be pretty realistic.[/quote]</p>
<p>was that to me? no im not a fan boy infact, im calling out all the EA people here calling out the faults in this game when the exact ones are the first to defend Ncaa 09 or madden collectors edition with the persistant error. to me i dont care 2k and EA are a business&#8230;so the odds of them knowing my name is slim to none. I want whats good and makes sense.. whether EA or 2k. all i say is keep it real&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: agent k</title>
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		<dc:creator>agent k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like there to be more contact between fighters .  That is to say that boxers do not stand 2 feet away from each other and just beat each other in the face.  In real boxing there is an element of long term contact especially in the last few rounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like there to be more contact between fighters .  That is to say that boxers do not stand 2 feet away from each other and just beat each other in the face.  In real boxing there is an element of long term contact especially in the last few rounds.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;17987&quot;]i find the hypocrisy that when there is just a little bit of information given on prizefighter..its ok never negative when it obviously is. but yet when Ncaa comes out  with no field goal nets or refs and even with  the past knowledge that this years game wont be that good..people never see that as negative. quite the pot calling the kettle black.[/quote]

well I think it&#039;s a different issue is the thing. This is an actual mode of play, not just a lil detail like refs, so it&#039;s obviously gonna get more attention. many of the reviews I&#039;ve read on sites never mention the refs or field goal nets in the football games even though it&#039;s something that should be in.

I just don&#039;t think it&#039;s deemed by the sites as something worthy of as much discussion as it gets. Ask yourself, if this game had no ref would it be thought of as a major issue? I doubt it, but maybe I&#039;m wrong. I certainly wouldn&#039;t care either way. But I guess since the game does have the ref, it&#039;s another reason to hate on EA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="17987"]i find the hypocrisy that when there is just a little bit of information given on prizefighter..its ok never negative when it obviously is. but yet when Ncaa comes out  with no field goal nets or refs and even with  the past knowledge that this years game wont be that good..people never see that as negative. quite the pot calling the kettle black.[/quote]</p>
<p>well I think it&#8217;s a different issue is the thing. This is an actual mode of play, not just a lil detail like refs, so it&#8217;s obviously gonna get more attention. many of the reviews I&#8217;ve read on sites never mention the refs or field goal nets in the football games even though it&#8217;s something that should be in.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s deemed by the sites as something worthy of as much discussion as it gets. Ask yourself, if this game had no ref would it be thought of as a major issue? I doubt it, but maybe I&#8217;m wrong. I certainly wouldn&#8217;t care either way. But I guess since the game does have the ref, it&#8217;s another reason to hate on EA</p>
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		<title>By: Darkheath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Darkheath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Saint. That&#039;s a great explanation. yeah... if they can work on the footwork so you have more flexibility about where you are in the ring, I can see that would make a difference. It did seem constraining to be locked-on like that.

Actually... it reminds me of Superstar mode in Madden &#039;07 (I haven&#039;t played &#039;08). I really wanted the camera to just let me go. I know it was trying to point me at the ball, but it was very unnatural and hard to control. Especially on defense.

I&#039;m not much of a boxing fan. I don&#039;t watch it. But I do like playing the games occasionally.

Thanks again for the good explanation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Saint. That&#8217;s a great explanation. yeah&#8230; if they can work on the footwork so you have more flexibility about where you are in the ring, I can see that would make a difference. It did seem constraining to be locked-on like that.</p>
<p>Actually&#8230; it reminds me of Superstar mode in Madden &#8216;07 (I haven&#8217;t played &#8216;08). I really wanted the camera to just let me go. I know it was trying to point me at the ball, but it was very unnatural and hard to control. Especially on defense.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not much of a boxing fan. I don&#8217;t watch it. But I do like playing the games occasionally.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the good explanation.</p>
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		<title>By: The Saint</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;17989&quot;]It&#039;s funny when you see a fanboy call someone else a fanboy.

So Night Owl, just curious, since I never played it... was FN3 slower than FN2?

And also.. why was everyone complaining about the speed? If you ask me, boxing IS a slow sport with occasional periods of flurry. Am I not right? The matches are not constant pummeling... there&#039;s a lot of dancing around, a lot of hugging... a lot of feeling out the other guy, especially in the early rounds. That&#039;s how I see boxing anyway.

I felt FN2 was a huge step in the right direction from Knockout Kings where you could throw a few hundred punches in a single round. If FN3 slowed it down even more... it sounds like it would be pretty realistic.[/quote]

The reason you have &quot;occasional&quot; flurries in boxing is because of a thing called footwork.  You can&#039;t just throw punches mindlessly because you first have to track your opponent and be in proper punching position before you can unleash a meaningful punch.  But when you&#039;re in that position, you can let your hands go.  In FNR3, you&#039;re ALWAYS locked into your opponent, and therefore are ALWAYS in proper punching position.  FNR2 was a heck of a lot faster than FNR3.  The speed of the punches themselves were fine, it&#039;s the fact you&#039;re always lined up with your opponent that makes it unrealistic.  The solution is to make a realistic footwork system like Prizefighter is doing, not slowing the punches down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="17989"]It&#8217;s funny when you see a fanboy call someone else a fanboy.</p>
<p>So Night Owl, just curious, since I never played it&#8230; was FN3 slower than FN2?</p>
<p>And also.. why was everyone complaining about the speed? If you ask me, boxing IS a slow sport with occasional periods of flurry. Am I not right? The matches are not constant pummeling&#8230; there&#8217;s a lot of dancing around, a lot of hugging&#8230; a lot of feeling out the other guy, especially in the early rounds. That&#8217;s how I see boxing anyway.</p>
<p>I felt FN2 was a huge step in the right direction from Knockout Kings where you could throw a few hundred punches in a single round. If FN3 slowed it down even more&#8230; it sounds like it would be pretty realistic.[/quote]</p>
<p>The reason you have &#8220;occasional&#8221; flurries in boxing is because of a thing called footwork.  You can&#8217;t just throw punches mindlessly because you first have to track your opponent and be in proper punching position before you can unleash a meaningful punch.  But when you&#8217;re in that position, you can let your hands go.  In FNR3, you&#8217;re ALWAYS locked into your opponent, and therefore are ALWAYS in proper punching position.  FNR2 was a heck of a lot faster than FNR3.  The speed of the punches themselves were fine, it&#8217;s the fact you&#8217;re always lined up with your opponent that makes it unrealistic.  The solution is to make a realistic footwork system like Prizefighter is doing, not slowing the punches down.</p>
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