Gamestop Madden Monday: Returning Missed FGs

I was facing the Denver broncos and they went for a 49 yd field goal that hit the cross bar my player caught the ball and the play stoped to my chock i was still on def and they had a 1st and 10 where they kicked from wtf!!!

[quote comment="20342"][quote comment="20293"][quote comment="20289"][quote comment="20284"][quote comment="20244"]since we are on the subject of kicking,i have a question for an nfl nut . lets say i have a kicker who is not very accurate (madden or real life) and i wanna atempt a field goal on 3rd down instead of 4th ,simply because he might not make it on the first try .now if he makes it obviously i'll get 3 points, but if he misses on that 3rd down attempt will it be 4th down ,or will it be change of possesion?[/quote]
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change of possession if it touches the kicker's foot[/quote]

Additionally, teams usually kick on third down in case of a bad snap, or a botched snap or something, because you can't kick twice in your situation.[/quote]
you confused me! please read the last paragragh, then look at my question again . and why would it be change of possesion if it touches the kickers foot if its only 3rd dwn?[/quote]
Dawg,Read the whole thing and re-write it you confused me

[quote comment="20244"]since we are on the subject of kicking,i have a question for an nfl nut . lets say i have a kicker who is not very accurate (madden or real life) and i wanna atempt a field goal on 3rd down instead of 4th ,simply because he might not make it on the first try .now if he makes it obviously i'll get 3 points, but if he misses on that 3rd down attempt will it be 4th down ,or will it be change of possesion?[/quote]
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Aw man thats Raw.can't wait

[quote comment="20293"][quote comment="20289"][quote comment="20284"][quote comment="20244"]since we are on the subject of kicking,i have a question for an nfl nut . lets say i have a kicker who is not very accurate (madden or real life) and i wanna atempt a field goal on 3rd down instead of 4th ,simply because he might not make it on the first try .now if he makes it obviously i'll get 3 points, but if he misses on that 3rd down attempt will it be 4th down ,or will it be change of possesion?[/quote]
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change of possession if it touches the kicker's foot[/quote]

Additionally, teams usually kick on third down in case of a bad snap, or a botched snap or something, because you can't kick twice in your situation.[/quote]
you confused me! please read the last paragragh, then look at my question again . and why would it be change of possesion if it touches the kickers foot if its only 3rd dwn?

lol why are you losers here?
you hate ea dont buy it go away
next....

Madden 09 innovation my ***...APF 2k8 could do this!!

[quote comment="20296"]for FG's, just use the old 3-button "Tiger Woods" method. If you miss the accuracy a lil to the left, your kick slices to the left also. When kicking long FG's in the 360 version w/analog controls there are never any fades or slices like in real life...and it's too easy to get full power :([/quote]

Try All Pro, it has a perfect kick meter. Takes some getting used to but once you get it down its perfect.

for FG's, just use the old 3-button "Tiger Woods" method. If you miss the accuracy a lil to the left, your kick slices to the left also. When kicking long FG's in the 360 version w/analog controls there are never any fades or slices like in real life...and it's too easy to get full power :(

[quote comment="20237"]i like this new addition to the game but am the type of dude that likes small details like devin hester dreads. and on the look of the screenshot they don seem to have it on there.[/quote]

They also don't have Marshawn Lynch's dreads either...
:(

[quote comment="20289"][quote comment="20284"][quote comment="20244"]since we are on the subject of kicking,i have a question for an nfl nut . lets say i have a kicker who is not very accurate (madden or real life) and i wanna atempt a field goal on 3rd down instead of 4th ,simply because he might not make it on the first try .now if he makes it obviously i'll get 3 points, but if he misses on that 3rd down attempt will it be 4th down ,or will it be change of possesion?[/quote]
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change of possession if it touches the kicker's foot[/quote]

Additionally, teams usually kick on third down in case of a bad snap, or a botched snap or something, because you can't kick twice in your situation.

[quote comment="20290"]madden sucks now and for the past few years...i thought this was common knowledge.

As long as Tiburon (sp?) is developing and using the same old engine, the game will still be a joke. I've already seen gameplay for ncaa with the same 'ol 25 yard drop-back, then throwing a cross-field bomb, resulting in an impossible catch, then speeding away from defenders as if they are linemen for the TD!!!!! YAAAAAAA!!!!! ...NOT.[/quote]

not to say that it won't be possible in default or above games but you realize they play on low difficulty levels in those videos.

madden sucks now and for the past few years...i thought this was common knowledge.

As long as Tiburon (sp?) is developing and using the same old engine, the game will still be a joke. I've already seen gameplay for ncaa with the same 'ol 25 yard drop-back, then throwing a cross-field bomb, resulting in an impossible catch, then speeding away from defenders as if they are linemen for the TD!!!!! YAAAAAAA!!!!! ...NOT.

[quote comment="20284"][quote comment="20244"]since we are on the subject of kicking,i have a question for an nfl nut . lets say i have a kicker who is not very accurate (madden or real life) and i wanna atempt a field goal on 3rd down instead of 4th ,simply because he might not make it on the first try .now if he makes it obviously i'll get 3 points, but if he misses on that 3rd down attempt will it be 4th down ,or will it be change of possesion?[/quote]
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change of possession if it touches the kicker's foot

[quote comment="20286"]I like how they are adding this ,but this won't have a big impact until they make it harder to kick fgs. They need to make it harder to be accurate and tone down the power a bit.[/quote]

All Pro Football did a great job at that btw.

Little fun fact for you...2k8 can already do this...and they didnt call it a "feature".

Also the kicking in madden is garbage and looks to stay the same. In the madden video down the page the kicker gets about 3/4s power on the kickoff and hits it the 3. Look for alot of to the back or thru the endzone agaiin. Also maddens FGs are WAYY to easy and you can hit 55 yarders with ease, ive NEVER seen anyone online miss a FG wide left or right!!!

2ks FG/Kicking system, well actually just APF 2k8s is amazing. Some hate how hard it is but making a 55 yarder with a scrub kicker should be NO GIMME. You wanna make field goals you have to have a good kicker or top notch skills.

I like how they are adding this ,but this won't have a big impact until they make it harder to kick fgs. They need to make it harder to be accurate and tone down the power a bit.

jeez madden 09 just keeps getting better

[quote comment="20244"]since we are on the subject of kicking,i have a question for an nfl nut . lets say i have a kicker who is not very accurate (madden or real life) and i wanna atempt a field goal on 3rd down instead of 4th ,simply because he might not make it on the first try .now if he makes it obviously i'll get 3 points, but if he misses on that 3rd down attempt will it be 4th down ,or will it be change of possesion?[/quote]
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[quote comment="20243"]If I have to call a "return FG" play, then the offense is just going to audible into something else and catch me with only 10 guys at the line and probably poor personnel on the field. Easy conversion for a first down.[/quote]

Why would you "HAVE" to call a return FG? Just play the numbers game and take the good field position at the spot of the kick.

In a real game, FG's are usually returned due to the opposing teams lack of awareness. With that being said, are they gonna "dumb down" the A.I. in those situations to give you a shot at returning a mised FG? If so, the kicking team is at a disadvantage. If not, why return the kick if you're not gonna get very far.

special teams have been garbage in madden forever. a game winning field goal can be one of the most nerve racking moments in sports. in madden if you get to your own 33 yard line it's almost a given you will score with any kicker. i hope that changes but i won't hold my breath.

[quote comment="20275"][quote comment="20262"]APF 2K8 is the greatest football sim to date, so if you are a real football fan that is what you should be playing, not the arcade, label induced garbage called Madden.[/quote]

i have to say i agree with you. APF's graphics may have not been up to Madden's level (not even close honestly) but their animations and, more importantly, gameplay are leaps and bounds above anything Madden has offered.

i just keep coming back to Madden hoping maybe this year it will be different? i haven't bought Madden since it went to Next Gen but i'm follow it each year up to release only to find that again and again everyone has been let down by the finished product...

maybe this is they year? i'm dying to play a good NFL game again[/quote]

I understand why gamers want Madden to be a great game because its the NFL and its the only game in town but you see that is what EA is counting on every year. EA knows there are millions of gamers who love the NFL and want to play as their favorite teams and players, so that is where EA's Madden Hype Machine comes into play to seduce the gamers who care not how the game plays but WHO they are playing with.
I'm sorry bro but Madden is arcade trash and it will never change untill gamers wake up and decide not to buy it and force EA to make a better game. I really do believe without the license Madden would be a better game but still second fiddle to ESPN NFL just like every other EA Sports title compared to 2K Sports.
I would suggest you rent Madden'09, so you will not contribute to the destruction of Quality Sports Gaming.

[quote comment="20262"]APF 2K8 is the greatest football sim to date, so if you are a real football fan that is what you should be playing, not the arcade, label induced garbage called Madden.[/quote]

i have to say i agree with you. APF's graphics may have not been up to Madden's level (not even close honestly) but their animations and, more importantly, gameplay are leaps and bounds above anything Madden has offered.

i just keep coming back to Madden hoping maybe this year it will be different? i haven't bought Madden since it went to Next Gen but i'm follow it each year up to release only to find that again and again everyone has been let down by the finished product...

maybe this is they year? i'm dying to play a good NFL game again

[quote comment="20236"]I love how they add in a feature that might happen once in an entire NFL season. Now, one of two things will happen:

1. EA is lazy and doesn't fix the overpowered kickers, so unless you try a 60+ yard FG, it won't matter because every kicker can boot the ball a mile.

2. The CPU will take stupid FG chances and let you return them.

Do we know if you will have to call a specific play to return a FG, or can you just put a guy back there? If you have to call a specific play, this feature is pointless.

How often are you going to return the missed FG for a TD? If this is too easy, it will just take all the fun out of it.[/quote]
right. but, in the last-gen game it was almost hard to make a 30 yarder!

[quote comment="20262"]Another one of EA's gimmicks.
I wish all the Madden Sheep would wise up out of their commercially induced comas a realize that EA and Madden is just the same recycled trash year in and year out. Madden is just a kiddie Arcade football game marketed as a football sim with laughable gameplay and a substandard football enviroment, which is a total crap. Graphics seem to be the most important factor when it comes to the EA Sports Sheep Consumer which is pathetic, GAMEPLAY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AND 2K DELIVERS A REALISTIC FOOTBALL EXPERIENCE but because of the NFL license deal and the commercially induced generation of gamer it suffered in the sales dept.
Untill the Madden Sheep stops buying the crap EA will never make a decent game, so its in your hands. DON’T BUY EA PORTS PRODUCTS!!!!.
APF 2K8 is the greatest football sim to date, so if you are a real football fan that is what you should be playing, not the arcade, label induced garbage called Madden.[/quote]



If it is so great then go play it and stop complaining about things that don't interest you?

Another one of EA's gimmicks.
I wish all the Madden Sheep would wise up out of their commercially induced comas a realize that EA and Madden is just the same recycled trash year in and year out. Madden is just a kiddie Arcade football game marketed as a football sim with laughable gameplay and a substandard football enviroment, which is a total crap. Graphics seem to be the most important factor when it comes to the EA Sports Sheep Consumer which is pathetic, GAMEPLAY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AND 2K DELIVERS A REALISTIC FOOTBALL EXPERIENCE but because of the NFL license deal and the commercially induced generation of gamer it suffered in the sales dept.
Untill the Madden Sheep stops buying the crap EA will never make a decent game, so its in your hands. DON’T BUY EA PORTS PRODUCTS!!!!.
APF 2K8 is the greatest football sim to date, so if you are a real football fan that is what you should be playing, not the arcade, label induced garbage called Madden.

if i had a somekind of something where i wanted to have a picture of a video game, id put that second picture of devin hester, that shit is hot.

[quote comment="20249"]Wee missed FG returns. Now that is innovation.

For shame Pasta Padre

No mention of Owen Schmitt on PSP cover. What kinda EA mouthpiece are you? ;)

http://www.easports.com/ncaa09/media.jsp?conten...

Regards - one of the IP's you banned because I call it like I see it![/quote]

why you gotta be a dick man? i mean really.. if you don't like the info this guy puts out (or the way he puts it out), don't visit the site... simple as that.

the man does a great job presenting us with a collection of our sports info and makes it an easy place to see the latest news.

I rather see EA update the player models (dreads, long hair, tattoos, fat bastards like Sam Adams looking like the walking refrigerators they appear) and accesories (eye paint, nose bands, mouth protectors, NECK PAD, towels).
Gaming is the only taste of NFL I have once the season is over and right now I'm stock playing madden 07 for xbox 'cuz the 360 versions suck...I believe that we should expect AND demand more from EA...

Um...yeah...I'm still not buying this game.

[quote comment="20247"][quote comment="20236"]
Do we know if you will have to call a specific play to return a FG, or can you just put a guy back there? If you have to call a specific play, this feature is pointless.

How often are you going to return the missed FG for a TD? If this is too easy, it will just take all the fun out of it.[/quote]

At least in NCAA it seemed to be either putting a guy back automatically or you'd have to run him back yourself. There wasn't a specific "FG return" play to call.[/quote]

That would be fantastic if that was the case. I'd prefer to put the guy back there myself, but I'd be OK with him just going back there on really long FG kicks. Good job EA, if that is truly the case.

See, I don't hate everything. :-)

Wee missed FG returns. Now that is innovation.


For shame Pasta Padre

No mention of Owen Schmitt on PSP cover. What kinda EA mouthpiece are you? ;)

http://www.easports.com/ncaa09/media.jsp?conten...


Regards - one of the IP's you banned because I call it like I see it!

[quote comment="20236"]
Do we know if you will have to call a specific play to return a FG, or can you just put a guy back there? If you have to call a specific play, this feature is pointless.

How often are you going to return the missed FG for a TD? If this is too easy, it will just take all the fun out of it.[/quote]

At least in NCAA it seemed to be either putting a guy back automatically or you'd have to run him back yourself. There wasn't a specific "FG return" play to call.

player models look horrible

[quote comment="20244"]since we are on the subject of kicking,i have a question for an nfl nut . lets say i have a kicker who is not very accurate (madden or real life) and i wanna atempt a field goal on 3rd down instead of 4th ,simply because he might not make it on the first try .now if he makes it obviously i'll get 3 points, but if he misses on that 3rd down attempt will it be 4th down ,or will it be change of possesion?[/quote]

Change of posession because I'm calling the "return FG" play and taking that ball back the other way for 6 on your ass.

since we are on the subject of kicking,i have a question for an nfl nut . lets say i have a kicker who is not very accurate (madden or real life) and i wanna atempt a field goal on 3rd down instead of 4th ,simply because he might not make it on the first try .now if he makes it obviously i'll get 3 points, but if he misses on that 3rd down attempt will it be 4th down ,or will it be change of possesion?

As with every other new feature EA introduces, it will be overdone in some way. Really, unless you can just walk a guy back there to return the kick, this will be worthless.

If I have to call a "return FG" play, then the offense is just going to audible into something else and catch me with only 10 guys at the line and probably poor personnel on the field. Easy conversion for a first down.

Either that or it will will really easy to return them for some reason.

Again, this is a feature that Madden didn't really need, but is nice to have. It would have been a lot cooler to just have included this, but have people discover it when they ran someone back there to try and catch the kick.

There are 100 other things that need worked on and fixed in Madden before adding this gimmick. Again, nice to have, but please fix the stuff that is broken first.

CPU INTs in simmed games counting as 2 instead of 1 would be good for starters.

I hope that because you can return FG that it doesn't increase the number of missed field goals that get returned.

Yes, in the past couple of years we have seen Cromartie and Hester make long returns however this doesn't happen that often.

Yea i realize NFL kickers are kicking 55 yarders. But there is no reason why Lauwrence Tynes is kicking from the 40 yard line and making them like its his bday. Im a huge Giants fan, but he's not good at all. There are times where some coaches won't even kick it because the circumstances. In NCAA they are doing this feature freeze the kicker, where calling a time out makes the meter look frozen and makes it harder to pinpoint full power. But i should know the diff between a big leg kicker and an accurate kicker. And please don't have big leg kickers able to make it from the 50 yard line. Its a pain.

[quote comment="20238"][quote comment="20237"]i like this new addition to the game but am the type of dude that likes small details like devin hester dreads. and on the look of the screenshot they don seem to have it on there.[/quote]
That seems to be taboo asking for small details like that. People tend to think things like that don't matter, but I on the other hand like all small details that make the game feel realistic. I just hope it doesn't disappoint me like 08 has done which I don't play anymore.[/quote]