Madden 09 gang tackling

by pastapadre
Posted May 27th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

Madden 09 producer Ian Cummings has a new in-depth discussion going on over at Operation Sports which you can check out here. He started it off by displaying some highlights and lowlights of the game’s tackling engine.

Among what is mentioned is how the community has directly led to the improvement of gang tackling for this year, that there will continue to be no more than two players making up a gang tackle, and why motion capture has been shown to be more beneficial than the NaturalMotion tackles in the game. A follow-up video may be posted on Wednesday displaying what has been adjusted since this particular video was produced.

While it is great to have this level of dialogue and input it certainly would be natural to wonder about these developments. Given the confidence and apparent level of improvement that is said to have been made in such a short period of time (less than a day) why has the gang tackling been so slow to progress?

Overall the “good” tackles looked really natural while the “poor” ones were all too familiar for anyone who has played the game the last two years. Continue on to watch the video in high quality.

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MattMVPStroehms

if you read the article on OS, they found a couple things wrong in the video like a player slowing down before tackling the guy. I’m glad their going to fix that.
MattMVPStroehms

if you read the article on OS, they found a couple things wrong in the video like a player slowing down before tackling the guy. I’m glad their going to fix that.
Stuntman87 (bawbeata) PSN: Dre

the highlights look awesome and the lowlights really make you appreciate the highlights of the video and i am anticipating the clean up video and im also READY FOR YOUR REPORTS TO COME LATER ON this week concerning Head Coach, Madden and Ncaa…..forget the facebreaker stuff no offense but its gonna sell like APF 2k8….
Stuntman87 (bawbeata) PSN: Drebo87

the highlights look awesome and the lowlights really make you appreciate the highlights of the video and i am anticipating the clean up video and im also READY FOR YOUR REPORTS TO COME LATER ON this week concerning Head Coach, Madden and Ncaa…..forget the facebreaker stuff no offense but its gonna sell like APF 2k8….
Phantom

wait…EA cares? what the hell happened? is the world ending?

seriously though, this is the best news since seedless oranges.
Phantom

wait…EA cares? what the hell happened? is the world ending?

seriously though, this is the best news since seedless oranges.
JagerMichael

Pasta, as to why it’s taken so long for Gang Tackling to be addressed, isn’t this year the first using a new system for gang tackling?

I think what he’s saying is that gang tackling was already going to be better than previous years thanks to motion capture, but that thanks to the guy at OS they were able to address some issues they might have missed before the game shipped.

He also talks about it at the official forums.

http://forums.ea.com/mboards/thread.jspa?threadID=367891&tstart=0
JagerMichael

Pasta, as to why it’s taken so long for Gang Tackling to be addressed, isn’t this year the first using a new system for gang tackling?

I think what he’s saying is that gang tackling was already going to be better than previous years thanks to motion capture, but that thanks to the guy at OS they were able to address some issues they might have missed before the game shipped.

He also talks about it at the official forums.

http://forums.ea.com/mboards/thread.jspa?threadID=367891&tstart=0
kc10785

Madden >>>>>>>>>>>>NCAA

Over and over again the madden guys are doing something to impress me.Fr him to respond to forums and admit for the moment that 2k gang tackling system was better then theres thats big.Cuz is EA is know to make statments like our systems for this is the best and dont back it up.There finally showing Effort all around boards gampeplay,graphics,audio,and presentation
kc10785

Madden >>>>>>>>>>>>NCAA

Over and over again the madden guys are doing something to impress me.Fr him to respond to forums and admit for the moment that 2k gang tackling system was better then theres thats big.Cuz is EA is know to make statments like our systems for this is the best and dont back it up.There finally showing Effort all around boards gampeplay,graphics,audio,and presentation
smokez4Dayz

I’m sick of these ultra strong CBs in Madden that can flatten most RBs. Then CBs that do flatten guys don’t have the ratings like D.REVIS or the Landry Brothers. They need to get rid of it. Why do I have to truck stick a 180lbs db? I’m starting to hate this year to year increment of improvments, In like ’98 my girlfriend said EA just gives you guys a little bit each year to hold you off till next year, She was right. And that was ten years ago. Still looks like pinball-bowling pin tackling to me. Whatever, I have mine’s pre oredered. I cant cry, but can’t lie, Make mines Madden
smokez4Dayz

I’m sick of these ultra strong CBs in Madden that can flatten most RBs. Then CBs that do flatten guys don’t have the ratings like D.REVIS or the Landry Brothers. They need to get rid of it. Why do I have to truck stick a 180lbs db? I’m starting to hate this year to year increment of improvments, In like ’98 my girlfriend said EA just gives you guys a little bit each year to hold you off till next year, She was right. And that was ten years ago. Still looks like pinball-bowling pin tackling to me. Whatever, I have mine’s pre oredered. I cant cry, but can’t lie, Make mines Madden
jlukes

good stuff.

Let’s hope they fixed an even more simple thing such as defenders credited with 2 INTs for every 1 INT they make in simmed games in Franchise mode.

Any how about the option to adjust the QTR Length of simmed games for once?
jlukes

good stuff.

Let’s hope they fixed an even more simple thing such as defenders credited with 2 INTs for every 1 INT they make in simmed games in Franchise mode.

Any how about the option to adjust the QTR Length of simmed games for once?
Bumble14

As long as they fixed the 10 fumbles and 30 interceptions per game- and added animations/fluidity to the total game I am happy.

I am liking the presentation so far, and am hoping we get super bowl patches, and non generic superbowl endzones.
Bumble14

As long as they fixed the 10 fumbles and 30 interceptions per game- and added animations/fluidity to the total game I am happy.

I am liking the presentation so far, and am hoping we get super bowl patches, and non generic superbowl endzones.
Zack

It looks ok but 2K’s gang tackling is better.
Zack

It looks ok but 2K’s gang tackling is better.
Zack

[quote comment="22424"]As long as they fixed the 10 fumbles and 30 interceptions per game- and added animations/fluidity to the total game I am happy.

I am liking the presentation so far, and am hoping we get super bowl patches, and non generic superbowl endzones.[/quote]

They should do that and I don’t get why they wouldn’t considering they made the identical NBA ASG court available for download.
Zack

[quote comment="22424"]As long as they fixed the 10 fumbles and 30 interceptions per game- and added animations/fluidity to the total game I am happy.

I am liking the presentation so far, and am hoping we get super bowl patches, and non generic superbowl endzones.[/quote]

They should do that and I don’t get why they wouldn’t considering they made the identical NBA ASG court available for download.
http://www.igjoe.com/ igjoe

Does anyone know the name of the song that plays from 1:56 to the end? I know it’s from NFL films, but I can never find the name of the song.
http://www.igjoe.com igjoe

Does anyone know the name of the song that plays from 1:56 to the end? I know it’s from NFL films, but I can never find the name of the song.
AJ

Looks pretty sweet, can’t wait for your reports from community day Pasta.
AJ

Looks pretty sweet, can’t wait for your reports from community day Pasta.
jlukes

[quote comment="22428"]Does anyone know the name of the song that plays from 1:56 to the end? I know it’s from NFL films, but I can never find the name of the song.[/quote]

The song is called “Round Up”
jlukes

[quote comment="22428"]Does anyone know the name of the song that plays from 1:56 to the end? I know it’s from NFL films, but I can never find the name of the song.[/quote]

The song is called “Round Up”
http://www.igjoe.com/ igjoe

[quote comment="22430"][quote comment="22428"]Does anyone know the name of the song that plays from 1:56 to the end? I know it’s from NFL films, but I can never find the name of the song.[/quote]

The song is called “Round Up”[/quote]

Thanks! It’s been one of those things that’s been in the back of my mind for a long time.
http://www.igjoe.com igjoe

[quote comment="22430"][quote comment="22428"]Does anyone know the name of the song that plays from 1:56 to the end? I know it’s from NFL films, but I can never find the name of the song.[/quote]

The song is called “Round Up”[/quote]

Thanks! It’s been one of those things that’s been in the back of my mind for a long time.
Oz

I like how he spends half his time writing about the 2k tackling and comparing the two….oh whats that ea? competition doesn’t drive you to make a better product? …sure.

I’m psyched for these two football games though.
Oz

I like how he spends half his time writing about the 2k tackling and comparing the two….oh whats that ea? competition doesn’t drive you to make a better product? …sure.

I’m psyched for these two football games though.
JagerMichael

[quote comment="22438"]I like how he spends half his time writing about the 2k tackling and comparing the two….oh whats that ea? competition doesn’t drive you to make a better product? …sure.

I’m psyched for these two football games though.[/quote]

I don’t recall EA ever claiming that the NFL 2K series didn’t drive competition.

I’d think the 2K fan base out there would be happy that he’s openly comparing the games and trying to add things from that series to Madden.
JagerMichael

[quote comment="22438"]I like how he spends half his time writing about the 2k tackling and comparing the two….oh whats that ea? competition doesn’t drive you to make a better product? …sure.

I’m psyched for these two football games though.[/quote]

I don’t recall EA ever claiming that the NFL 2K series didn’t drive competition.

I’d think the 2K fan base out there would be happy that he’s openly comparing the games and trying to add things from that series to Madden.
47

I like Ian Cummings, much better than the previous clowns. However can u guys imagine if we still had the NFL 2K series??? I was always a Madden guy but having that series here would NO doubt leave us with at least one fantastic NFL game. The lack of competition hurts only us.
47

I like Ian Cummings, much better than the previous clowns. However can u guys imagine if we still had the NFL 2K series??? I was always a Madden guy but having that series here would NO doubt leave us with at least one fantastic NFL game. The lack of competition hurts only us.
Alex

even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one
Alex

even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one
JagerMichael

[quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Guess you haven’t played the MLB 2K series or compared the NHL games.

Every company has their ups and downs.
JagerMichael

[quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Guess you haven’t played the MLB 2K series or compared the NHL games.

Every company has their ups and downs.
Josh

Pasta I know this is off topic & I know that you’ve address this already but can you please make another suggestion to EA about the excessive camera flashes during a game? It would be cool if we only saw the excessive camera flashes during the Superbowl. That would add to making the Superbowl feel unique & important. We should only see a few camera flashes during a regular game. Sorry, like I said I know it’s off topic but I wanted to get that in before it’s too late in development to adjust it.
Josh

Pasta I know this is off topic & I know that you’ve address this already but can you please make another suggestion to EA about the excessive camera flashes during a game? It would be cool if we only saw the excessive camera flashes during the Superbowl. That would add to making the Superbowl feel unique & important. We should only see a few camera flashes during a regular game. Sorry, like I said I know it’s off topic but I wanted to get that in before it’s too late in development to adjust it.
Alex

[quote comment="22453"][quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Guess you haven’t played the MLB 2K series or compared the NHL games.

Every company has their ups and downs.[/quote]

mlb 2K is a little disappointing but the NHL games are both solid
Alex

[quote comment="22453"][quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Guess you haven’t played the MLB 2K series or compared the NHL games.

Every company has their ups and downs.[/quote]

mlb 2K is a little disappointing but the NHL games are both solid
Josh

[quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Dude to say that Madden is pathetic just proves that you’re an Ea hater. Does the game need to be improved? Yes. Is it a pathetic game? Not at all. We all can agree that Madden is still missing basic parts of an NFL football game (Refs, chaingangs, etc..) & yes 2K5 still has the best presentation I’ve ever seen in a game, but at least give credit where credit is do. This game looks leaps and bounds beyond last years. You have to admit that EA responding to us consumers & making last minute adjustments based on that is quite impressive & unlike EA to do that. So please try to be a little more constructive when posting comments. I think we can all agree that the 12 year old EA bashing is getting a little old.
Josh

[quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Dude to say that Madden is pathetic just proves that you’re an Ea hater. Does the game need to be improved? Yes. Is it a pathetic game? Not at all. We all can agree that Madden is still missing basic parts of an NFL football game (Refs, chaingangs, etc..) & yes 2K5 still has the best presentation I’ve ever seen in a game, but at least give credit where credit is do. This game looks leaps and bounds beyond last years. You have to admit that EA responding to us consumers & making last minute adjustments based on that is quite impressive & unlike EA to do that. So please try to be a little more constructive when posting comments. I think we can all agree that the 12 year old EA bashing is getting a little old.
Details

It’s a little alarming that EA has to rely on the community to this extent. Yes, they fixed an issue relatively quick, but as Ian said, Madden 09 would have shipped with the problem if someone in the community didn’t point it out. Yikes. It was barely caught.

“I am here to admit defeat to 2k’s gang tackling system.”
- Ian Cummings

What a refreshing thing to read, albeit slightly depressing.

Ian’s statement says a lot about EA in general, but I want to say this: I don’t know Ian, but I appreciate his honesty. EA still hasn’t caught up to 2K despite never taking a year off. It’s a straightforward evaluation, and it shows he’s doing his best to contribute. Why not admit areas where they need to improve?

Madden has been playing catch up for years, and we’re still waiting. Thanks for the communication, Ian. I mean that. We all want Madden to succeed.
Details

It’s a little alarming that EA has to rely on the community to this extent. Yes, they fixed an issue relatively quick, but as Ian said, Madden 09 would have shipped with the problem if someone in the community didn’t point it out. Yikes. It was barely caught.

“I am here to admit defeat to 2k’s gang tackling system.”
- Ian Cummings

What a refreshing thing to read, albeit slightly depressing.

Ian’s statement says a lot about EA in general, but I want to say this: I don’t know Ian, but I appreciate his honesty. EA still hasn’t caught up to 2K despite never taking a year off. It’s a straightforward evaluation, and it shows he’s doing his best to contribute. Why not admit areas where they need to improve?

Madden has been playing catch up for years, and we’re still waiting. Thanks for the communication, Ian. I mean that. We all want Madden to succeed.
jack

[quote comment="22456"][quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Dude to say that Madden is pathetic just proves that you’re an Ea hater. Does the game need to be improved? Yes. Is it a pathetic game? Not at all. We all can agree that Madden is still missing basic parts of an NFL football game (Refs, chaingangs, etc..) & yes 2K5 still has the best presentation I’ve ever seen in a game, but at least give credit where credit is do. This game looks leaps and bounds beyond last years. You have to admit that EA responding to us consumers & making last minute adjustments based on that is quite impressive & unlike EA to do that. So please try to be a little more constructive when posting comments. I think we can all agree that the 12 year old EA bashing is getting a little old.[/quote]

Presentation, are u kidding dude, 2k had pre-game post-game, and halftime report. how doubt they need to add things like that. Little EA fanboy madden has sucked, u get it now.
jack

[quote comment="22456"][quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Dude to say that Madden is pathetic just proves that you’re an Ea hater. Does the game need to be improved? Yes. Is it a pathetic game? Not at all. We all can agree that Madden is still missing basic parts of an NFL football game (Refs, chaingangs, etc..) & yes 2K5 still has the best presentation I’ve ever seen in a game, but at least give credit where credit is do. This game looks leaps and bounds beyond last years. You have to admit that EA responding to us consumers & making last minute adjustments based on that is quite impressive & unlike EA to do that. So please try to be a little more constructive when posting comments. I think we can all agree that the 12 year old EA bashing is getting a little old.[/quote]

Presentation, are u kidding dude, 2k had pre-game post-game, and halftime report. how doubt they need to add things like that. Little EA fanboy madden has sucked, u get it now.
http://www.gamersaloon.com/ Darren

[quote comment="22453"][quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Guess you haven’t played the MLB 2K series or compared the NHL games.

Every company has their ups and downs.[/quote]

Okay lets say this, Visual Concepts makes the best sports games. Kush is a failure just like EA (EA hockey good). ESPN NFL 2k5 had better gang tackling, so imagine if it was evolved in 2k6, 2k7 and 2k8…and finally you would have the deepest football game on the planet EVER…EVER.
http://www.gamersaloon.com Darren

[quote comment="22453"][quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Guess you haven’t played the MLB 2K series or compared the NHL games.

Every company has their ups and downs.[/quote]

Okay lets say this, Visual Concepts makes the best sports games. Kush is a failure just like EA (EA hockey good). ESPN NFL 2k5 had better gang tackling, so imagine if it was evolved in 2k6, 2k7 and 2k8…and finally you would have the deepest football game on the planet EVER…EVER.