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gotham7

I want to see improved O-line and D-line play. It is so unrealistic.

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[quote comment="22462"]ESPN NFL 2k5 had better gang tackling, so imagine if it was evolved in 2k6, 2k7 and 2k8…and finally you would have the deepest football game on the planet EVER…EVER.[/quote]

You’re right, but I try not to think about it. 2K was constantly moving forward. EA moves backwards despite technology getting better. EA removes refs so they don’t have to deal with them. That’s lazy and inexcusable.

I’m still rooting for Madden 09. Big time. Ian is listening to the community. There are good signs. It may take another year or two, but we’re getting there.

We all want an AMAZING game, not just a decent one.

gotham7

I want to see improved O-line and D-line play. It is so unrealistic.

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[quote comment="22462"]ESPN NFL 2k5 had better gang tackling, so imagine if it was evolved in 2k6, 2k7 and 2k8…and finally you would have the deepest football game on the planet EVER…EVER.[/quote]

You’re right, but I try not to think about it. 2K was constantly moving forward. EA moves backwards despite technology getting better. EA removes refs so they don’t have to deal with them. That’s lazy and inexcusable.

I’m still rooting for Madden 09. Big time. Ian is listening to the community. There are good signs. It may take another year or two, but we’re getting there.

We all want an AMAZING game, not just a decent one.

Ryan

While 2K5 did have good presentation, I’d be lying if I said I didn’t skip the little clips after the tenth time I played a game. Going back and playing 2K5 now, it’s kind of embarassing that I ever felt it was cool. The half-time show itself is actually pretty entertaining though. The interviews with the players are so terrible that I can’t help but laugh. Still better then anything EA has offered though in terms of presentation although I don’t think I could play another game of 2K5 considering how bad it plays by todays standards. I really wish APF would have turned out better though, it got really old once i learned how easy it was to exploit a defense even on the hardest difficulty.

To be on topic though, it is really sad that EA couldn’t do gangtackling like 2K as that was one of the few features from APF and 2K5 that has not been matched by EA.

Ryan

While 2K5 did have good presentation, I’d be lying if I said I didn’t skip the little clips after the tenth time I played a game. Going back and playing 2K5 now, it’s kind of embarassing that I ever felt it was cool. The half-time show itself is actually pretty entertaining though. The interviews with the players are so terrible that I can’t help but laugh. Still better then anything EA has offered though in terms of presentation although I don’t think I could play another game of 2K5 considering how bad it plays by todays standards. I really wish APF would have turned out better though, it got really old once i learned how easy it was to exploit a defense even on the hardest difficulty.

To be on topic though, it is really sad that EA couldn’t do gangtackling like 2K as that was one of the few features from APF and 2K5 that has not been matched by EA.

Timothy Daley

Anybody remember back in the genesis days when madden had the feature when it would show you last minute finishes of other games that occured that week.

That is exactly what madden needs to get back too and what made 2k5′s presentation so favorable. Madden needs to incorporate Chris Bermans fastest 3 minutes in the NFL.

The feature would highlight all the great plays of the day from around the league and would definitely give a sense of meaning to the cpu simulated games in your season or franchise.

Also at halftime they should show highlights from games around the league showing great plays. This IMHO is the kind of presentation that madden fans are looking for and with the power of next gen, how hard could this actually be.

Timothy Daley

Anybody remember back in the genesis days when madden had the feature when it would show you last minute finishes of other games that occured that week.

That is exactly what madden needs to get back too and what made 2k5′s presentation so favorable. Madden needs to incorporate Chris Bermans fastest 3 minutes in the NFL.

The feature would highlight all the great plays of the day from around the league and would definitely give a sense of meaning to the cpu simulated games in your season or franchise.

Also at halftime they should show highlights from games around the league showing great plays. This IMHO is the kind of presentation that madden fans are looking for and with the power of next gen, how hard could this actually be.

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The back-and-forth between Ian and the community at Operation Sports is fascinating. Detailed videos are being included in threads to support positions.

There is SO much passion for sports games. Everyone at EA needs to understand this. It looks like Ian does. I hope he continues to be open so we can make Madden 09 the best game possible with the time we have left.

We need true community interaction, not hype.

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The back-and-forth between Ian and the community at Operation Sports is fascinating. Detailed videos are being included in threads to support positions.

There is SO much passion for sports games. Everyone at EA needs to understand this. It looks like Ian does. I hope he continues to be open so we can make Madden 09 the best game possible with the time we have left.

We need true community interaction, not hype.

Eski

Whatever happened to Backbreaker??? I thought it would have come out by now to avoid directly competing with Madden?

Eski

Whatever happened to Backbreaker??? I thought it would have come out by now to avoid directly competing with Madden?

Bumble14

[quote comment="22470"]Anybody remember back in the genesis days when madden had the feature when it would show you last minute finishes of other games that occured that week.

That is exactly what madden needs to get back too and what made 2k5′s presentation so favorable. Madden needs to incorporate Chris Bermans fastest 3 minutes in the NFL.

The feature would highlight all the great plays of the day from around the league and would definitely give a sense of meaning to the cpu simulated games in your season or franchise.

Also at halftime they should show highlights from games around the league showing great plays. This IMHO is the kind of presentation that madden fans are looking for and with the power of next gen, how hard could this actually be.[/quote]

EXACTLY!!!!

How come NHL on genesis had better presentation than anything we have now? Heck, even Tecmo bowl ahd great presentation- speaking of Tecmo bowl- how come the gang tackling in that was spot on?

Bumble14

[quote comment="22470"]Anybody remember back in the genesis days when madden had the feature when it would show you last minute finishes of other games that occured that week.

That is exactly what madden needs to get back too and what made 2k5′s presentation so favorable. Madden needs to incorporate Chris Bermans fastest 3 minutes in the NFL.

The feature would highlight all the great plays of the day from around the league and would definitely give a sense of meaning to the cpu simulated games in your season or franchise.

Also at halftime they should show highlights from games around the league showing great plays. This IMHO is the kind of presentation that madden fans are looking for and with the power of next gen, how hard could this actually be.[/quote]

EXACTLY!!!!

How come NHL on genesis had better presentation than anything we have now? Heck, even Tecmo bowl ahd great presentation- speaking of Tecmo bowl- how come the gang tackling in that was spot on?

Josh

[quote comment="22461"][quote comment="22456"][quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Dude to say that Madden is pathetic just proves that you’re an Ea hater. Does the game need to be improved? Yes. Is it a pathetic game? Not at all. We all can agree that Madden is still missing basic parts of an NFL football game (Refs, chaingangs, etc..) & yes 2K5 still has the best presentation I’ve ever seen in a game, but at least give credit where credit is do. This game looks leaps and bounds beyond last years. You have to admit that EA responding to us consumers & making last minute adjustments based on that is quite impressive & unlike EA to do that. So please try to be a little more constructive when posting comments. I think we can all agree that the 12 year old EA bashing is getting a little old.[/quote]

Presentation, are u kidding dude, 2k had pre-game post-game, and halftime report. how doubt they need to add things like that. Little EA fanboy madden has sucked, u get it now.[/quote]

What are you like 5? If you could understand English that’s what I said. ” 2K5 had the best presentation I’ve seen in a game”. I’m not here to argue back & forth with little kids, I’m just saying that we’ve already heard the same complaints over & over. Maybe if you tried being a little more constructive then maybe your complaints would be taken into consideration. U get it now?

Josh

[quote comment="22461"][quote comment="22456"][quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Dude to say that Madden is pathetic just proves that you’re an Ea hater. Does the game need to be improved? Yes. Is it a pathetic game? Not at all. We all can agree that Madden is still missing basic parts of an NFL football game (Refs, chaingangs, etc..) & yes 2K5 still has the best presentation I’ve ever seen in a game, but at least give credit where credit is do. This game looks leaps and bounds beyond last years. You have to admit that EA responding to us consumers & making last minute adjustments based on that is quite impressive & unlike EA to do that. So please try to be a little more constructive when posting comments. I think we can all agree that the 12 year old EA bashing is getting a little old.[/quote]

Presentation, are u kidding dude, 2k had pre-game post-game, and halftime report. how doubt they need to add things like that. Little EA fanboy madden has sucked, u get it now.[/quote]

What are you like 5? If you could understand English that’s what I said. ” 2K5 had the best presentation I’ve seen in a game”. I’m not here to argue back & forth with little kids, I’m just saying that we’ve already heard the same complaints over & over. Maybe if you tried being a little more constructive then maybe your complaints would be taken into consideration. U get it now?

http://www.billingsgazette.com/h/blogs/catgriz Phil

How come it feels like every year Madden is addressing gang tackling? Let’s get it down guys and move to something else…

http://www.billingsgazette.com/h/blogs/catgriz Phil

How come it feels like every year Madden is addressing gang tackling? Let’s get it down guys and move to something else…

As’Samad

This whole ordeal has really opened my eyes. I always thought that the people working on EA’s “next-gen” football titles simply lacked the talent to produce a football simulation. But that conversation going on at OS is showing me that they have guys who can fix the issues, they just don’t have enough football minds who are capable of spotting the issues.

Ian admitted that the game would have shipped with defenders giving up on the play once contact was initiated had someone from that thread not pointed it out. How come no one at EA could see that issue? What else are they not seeing that could end up being shipped?

It’s like the guys who work on Madden are gifted developers, but have the collective football IQ of a misquito.

As’Samad

This whole ordeal has really opened my eyes. I always thought that the people working on EA’s “next-gen” football titles simply lacked the talent to produce a football simulation. But that conversation going on at OS is showing me that they have guys who can fix the issues, they just don’t have enough football minds who are capable of spotting the issues.

Ian admitted that the game would have shipped with defenders giving up on the play once contact was initiated had someone from that thread not pointed it out. How come no one at EA could see that issue? What else are they not seeing that could end up being shipped?

It’s like the guys who work on Madden are gifted developers, but have the collective football IQ of a misquito.

pat

[quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

ok first of all theres no nedd to absolutely s#@t on ea you can complain about some issues you have with the game but you dont need to absolutely be negative and if 2k is so much better why doesnt all pro football have sales like madden does EVERY year listen i complain about isssues i have but madden overall is a really good game if you are gonna be tottaly negative do not comment

pat

[quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

ok first of all theres no nedd to absolutely s#@t on ea you can complain about some issues you have with the game but you dont need to absolutely be negative and if 2k is so much better why doesnt all pro football have sales like madden does EVERY year listen i complain about isssues i have but madden overall is a really good game if you are gonna be tottaly negative do not comment

As’Samad

There’s even a dude in that thread pointing out numerous “suction” blocks that Ian seemed totally oblivious to until they were pointed out. Plus an entire thread dedicated to jersey errors (can the EA team not look at a photo themselves? They need US to point this stuff out?)

I’m damn glad that Ian is there doing what he’s doing, but Christ, they might as well call it “Madden’09: The game the fans built”.

As’Samad

There’s even a dude in that thread pointing out numerous “suction” blocks that Ian seemed totally oblivious to until they were pointed out. Plus an entire thread dedicated to jersey errors (can the EA team not look at a photo themselves? They need US to point this stuff out?)

I’m damn glad that Ian is there doing what he’s doing, but Christ, they might as well call it “Madden’09: The game the fans built”.

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[quote comment="22482"]…they have guys who can fix the issues, they just don’t have enough football minds who are capable of spotting the issues.[/quote]

You may very well be right.

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[quote comment="22482"]…they have guys who can fix the issues, they just don’t have enough football minds who are capable of spotting the issues.[/quote]

You may very well be right.

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/madden-nfl-football/250613-followup-gang-tackling-response.html Details

Ian has posted his follow-up on the gang tackling issue.

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/madden-nfl-football/250613-followup-gang-tackling-response.html Details

Ian has posted his follow-up on the gang tackling issue.

Jeff

[quote comment="22482"]

Ian admitted that the game would have shipped with defenders giving up on the play once contact was initiated had someone from that thread not pointed it out. How come no one at EA could see that issue? What else are they not seeing that could end up being shipped?

It’s like the guys who work on Madden are gifted developers, but have the collective football IQ of a misquito.[/quote]

Well said. It’s clear that they lack football IQ. Here are a few glaring issues I still see:

1. Players run to the line of scrimmage before every play rather than walking. This might be because they don’t have a solid “walking” animation, to which I would say that they need to get their asses in gear. That’s unacceptable.

2. Camera zooms all stupid during post plays and moves up and down all silly when a single player moves inside the frame — that’s some shoddy camera work

3. Some of the players proportions are off; some guys look like little kids and are too slim. We need a damn editor to fix player sizes.

But I’ll bet you even though it’s been pointed out like 1,000 times, it will still ship with these issues. Not only do they lack football IQ, but they lack taste and can’t seem to nail down consistency in the overall visual picture. They still have a lot to learn, and when your fans are pointing these GLARING things out and you don’t see them yourself, you’ve got a problem.

Jeff

[quote comment="22482"]

Ian admitted that the game would have shipped with defenders giving up on the play once contact was initiated had someone from that thread not pointed it out. How come no one at EA could see that issue? What else are they not seeing that could end up being shipped?

It’s like the guys who work on Madden are gifted developers, but have the collective football IQ of a misquito.[/quote]

Well said. It’s clear that they lack football IQ. Here are a few glaring issues I still see:

1. Players run to the line of scrimmage before every play rather than walking. This might be because they don’t have a solid “walking” animation, to which I would say that they need to get their asses in gear. That’s unacceptable.

2. Camera zooms all stupid during post plays and moves up and down all silly when a single player moves inside the frame — that’s some shoddy camera work

3. Some of the players proportions are off; some guys look like little kids and are too slim. We need a damn editor to fix player sizes.

But I’ll bet you even though it’s been pointed out like 1,000 times, it will still ship with these issues. Not only do they lack football IQ, but they lack taste and can’t seem to nail down consistency in the overall visual picture. They still have a lot to learn, and when your fans are pointing these GLARING things out and you don’t see them yourself, you’ve got a problem.

Tengo

The tackles were all the same from 08. And does he really need to play each of them for so long? Video failed to show me anything.

Tengo

The tackles were all the same from 08. And does he really need to play each of them for so long? Video failed to show me anything.

jack

[quote comment="22483"][quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

ok first of all theres no nedd to absolutely s#@t on ea you can complain about some issues you have with the game but you dont need to absolutely be negative and if 2k is so much better why doesnt all pro football have sales like madden does EVERY year listen i complain about isssues i have but madden overall is a really good game if you are gonna be tottaly negative do not comment[/quote]
R u serious because EA has the NFL license. damn ur an idiot

jack

[quote comment="22483"][quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

ok first of all theres no nedd to absolutely s#@t on ea you can complain about some issues you have with the game but you dont need to absolutely be negative and if 2k is so much better why doesnt all pro football have sales like madden does EVERY year listen i complain about isssues i have but madden overall is a really good game if you are gonna be tottaly negative do not comment[/quote]
R u serious because EA has the NFL license. damn ur an idiot

pat

[quote comment="22494"][quote comment="22483"][quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

ok first of all theres no nedd to absolutely s#@t on ea you can complain about some issues you have with the game but you dont need to absolutely be negative and if 2k is so much better why doesnt all pro football have sales like madden does EVERY year listen i complain about isssues i have but madden overall is a really good game if you are gonna be tottaly negative do not comment[/quote]
R u serious because EA has the NFL license. damn ur an idiot[/quote]

and umm i belive all pro is full of legends that played in the nfl i know a lot of people who would rather play as legends than current players and thats not even my point the kid said ea=crap so what just because they dont have the nfl license means it will sell less ok yeah thats a lil part but not all if 2k made a nfl game it would put some competiton against madden but at the end of the day madden easily sells more copies

pat

[quote comment="22494"][quote comment="22483"][quote comment="22450"]even if 2k made a football game, madden would still be pathetic. please don’t give these guys any credit by saying the would match 2k, they don’t deserve it. look at nba live it’s horrible not worth playing. nba 2K8 is soooooo much better and ea still hasn’t made a anything close to nba 2k8 so why would i expect these clowns to get football right.

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

ok first of all theres no nedd to absolutely s#@t on ea you can complain about some issues you have with the game but you dont need to absolutely be negative and if 2k is so much better why doesnt all pro football have sales like madden does EVERY year listen i complain about isssues i have but madden overall is a really good game if you are gonna be tottaly negative do not comment[/quote]
R u serious because EA has the NFL license. damn ur an idiot[/quote]

and umm i belive all pro is full of legends that played in the nfl i know a lot of people who would rather play as legends than current players and thats not even my point the kid said ea=crap so what just because they dont have the nfl license means it will sell less ok yeah thats a lil part but not all if 2k made a nfl game it would put some competiton against madden but at the end of the day madden easily sells more copies

Groundhog

[quote comment="22495"]
just because they dont have the nfl license means it will sell less ok yeah thats a lil part but not all[/quote]

Umm, no. That’s a major part. But even if 2K had an NFL license and made a perfect football game, EA would still outsell them for a few versions, at the very least. Why? The same reason some people spend $60 on a plain white t-shirt because of the brand printed on the tag, while others will be the exact same shirt for $10 under a different brand. Brand recognition. EA has been around a long time and is a strong brand. NBA 2K is miles ahead of NBA Live at this point, yet Live still outsells it all thanks to brand recognition.

Groundhog

[quote comment="22495"]
just because they dont have the nfl license means it will sell less ok yeah thats a lil part but not all[/quote]

Umm, no. That’s a major part. But even if 2K had an NFL license and made a perfect football game, EA would still outsell them for a few versions, at the very least. Why? The same reason some people spend $60 on a plain white t-shirt because of the brand printed on the tag, while others will be the exact same shirt for $10 under a different brand. Brand recognition. EA has been around a long time and is a strong brand. NBA 2K is miles ahead of NBA Live at this point, yet Live still outsells it all thanks to brand recognition.

MattMVPStroehms

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Guess you haven’t played the MLB 2K series or compared the NHL games.

Every company has their ups and downs.[/quote]

mlb 2K is a little disappointing but the NHL games are both solid[/quote]

uh no MLB 2k was a huge disappointment. EA is by far the superior game of the NHL games. Have you played 2k online? it is horrid. where as EA nhl 08 is fluid, tight and amazingly awesome. It’s a must buy if you own a 360. never played it for the ps3….

MattMVPStroehms

EA Sports = crapy sports games, seriously go play one[/quote]

Guess you haven’t played the MLB 2K series or compared the NHL games.

Every company has their ups and downs.[/quote]

mlb 2K is a little disappointing but the NHL games are both solid[/quote]

uh no MLB 2k was a huge disappointment. EA is by far the superior game of the NHL games. Have you played 2k online? it is horrid. where as EA nhl 08 is fluid, tight and amazingly awesome. It’s a must buy if you own a 360. never played it for the ps3….

pat

[quote comment="22498"][quote comment="22495"]
just because they dont have the nfl license means it will sell less ok yeah thats a lil part but not all[/quote]

Umm, no. That’s a major part. But even if 2K had an NFL license and made a perfect football game, EA would still outsell them for a few versions, at the very least. Why? The same reason some people spend $60 on a plain white t-shirt because of the brand printed on the tag, while others will be the exact same shirt for $10 under a different brand. Brand recognition. EA has been around a long time and is a strong brand. NBA 2K is miles ahead of NBA Live at this point, yet Live still outsells it all thanks to brand recognition.[/quote]

that is what i sad ea will still outsell

pat

[quote comment="22498"][quote comment="22495"]
just because they dont have the nfl license means it will sell less ok yeah thats a lil part but not all[/quote]

Umm, no. That’s a major part. But even if 2K had an NFL license and made a perfect football game, EA would still outsell them for a few versions, at the very least. Why? The same reason some people spend $60 on a plain white t-shirt because of the brand printed on the tag, while others will be the exact same shirt for $10 under a different brand. Brand recognition. EA has been around a long time and is a strong brand. NBA 2K is miles ahead of NBA Live at this point, yet Live still outsells it all thanks to brand recognition.[/quote]

that is what i sad ea will still outsell

Phantom

hmmmmm… where’s that new vid he promised us? don’t wanna say that it appears to be typical EA…

but, just sayin’

Phantom

hmmmmm… where’s that new vid he promised us? don’t wanna say that it appears to be typical EA…

but, just sayin’

Tengo

I don’t know why any of you waste your time talking about sales. What I want is a good game. A good NFL/NCAA game. Yes I prefer 2K, but I have faced the fact that they aren’t going to survive without the license. At least not enough to make a new version of APF every year. I really hope maybe by next years version, will finally be the best in the series, as of now, Madden 07 on the xbox or PS2 is still better than any of the next gen versions.

Tengo

I don’t know why any of you waste your time talking about sales. What I want is a good game. A good NFL/NCAA game. Yes I prefer 2K, but I have faced the fact that they aren’t going to survive without the license. At least not enough to make a new version of APF every year. I really hope maybe by next years version, will finally be the best in the series, as of now, Madden 07 on the xbox or PS2 is still better than any of the next gen versions.

JagerMichael

[quote comment="22515"]hmmmmm… where’s that new vid he promised us? don’t wanna say that it appears to be typical EA…

but, just sayin’[/quote]

Did you look for it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ41mC15rvg

JagerMichael

[quote comment="22515"]hmmmmm… where’s that new vid he promised us? don’t wanna say that it appears to be typical EA…

but, just sayin’[/quote]

Did you look for it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ41mC15rvg

JagerMichael

And this is the thread over at Operation Sports where he’s talking about it.

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/madden-nfl-football/250613-followup-gang-tackling-response.html

This guy has done more in the last 3 weeks than any other EA rep has to my knowledge and people are still throwing him under the EA bus. Amazing.

JagerMichael

And this is the thread over at Operation Sports where he’s talking about it.

http://www.operationsports.com/forums/madden-nfl-football/250613-followup-gang-tackling-response.html

This guy has done more in the last 3 weeks than any other EA rep has to my knowledge and people are still throwing him under the EA bus. Amazing.