Random Thoughts on Madden 09

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Posted August 10th, 2008 at 5:35 pm

Having gone to the community event and gotten an extensive amount of time with the game there I have already been able to give my overall impressions on the game. My thoughts from then basically carry over to now. Madden 09 is a significant upgrade in gameplay and presentation. At the same time the overall experience feels more empty after having enjoyed NCAA Football 09′s online dynasty. There just isn’t a feature or mode in Madden that matches up to that.

So I thought I would just drop some of the random thoughts I’ve had about the game as I’ve played it over the last few days. I may continue to add to this list through tomorrow.

  • Some of the main gripes with NCAA Football 09 are the kickoff coverage, pass rush, and CPU QB accuracy. I don’t feel that any of those issues apply to Madden.
  • In order to get a realistic number of plays, stats, and scores the quarter length will need to be at least 8 minutes if not longer.
  • I use the “hardcore” play setting to eliminate the on-screen indicators and icons. So why then on offense do I have to collapse the pre-play controls panel on every single possession?
  • Something that may be overlooked is the addition of a kick return play with a single returner. This was something I had specifically asked for at the event and in multiple articles on the site. Now people can’t avoid the premiere returners by simply directing kicks away from them and towards the second returner that was back. The play doesn’t stand out much as being different and I’ve had to point out to multiple people that it is even there. It is on the bottom right called “Return Middle”.
  • One of my favorite visual touches is the hit stick screen shake. It really makes it feel as though the hit had greater impact.
  • I’ve noticed players running out of bounds when no one was even in their vicinity. Apparently this is something that is already on the radar to possibly be addressed in the second patch
  • Adjustments to the kickoff coverage are being made in the first patch to prevent frequent long kick returns. I really don’t understand that though because I haven’t noticed anything off with the return distances. The average field position after kickoff would probably be about the 28, which would match pretty closely to what teams average in the NFL. Even if it was off by a few yards that really wouldn’t merit patch attention.
  • I’ve struggled offensively so far but especially in the running game. I’ve started to improve in this area though especially as seen in the Seahawks-Chiefs game. From trying a variety of running backs it is obvious that ratings really do differentiate the superstars from everyone else. I’m also factoring in becoming more comfortable with the controls and the difficulty or IQ setting. The CPU has rushed the ball effectively in only one game against me so far. Where it seems that outside running nets the best chance for yards for the user it more often results in losses for the CPU.
  • Camera flashes are still overdone. You don’t notice them as much when playing as opposed to watching, but they would still be better utilized situationally instead of constantly.
  • The lack of changes to Superstar mode is disappointing, which I detailed back at the community event. The main differences are the fixes to the camera so that it doesn’t spin around at a change of possession, and the ability to stay within practices for the entire week instead of having to load in and out. Play calling seemed better and the QBs don’t throw as many INTs. Most of the thoughts as to what would have immediately improved the mode weren’t implemented though. Please get rid of influence! All those screens do is interrupt the flow of playing!
  • Create-A-Team is similar to last year. There may be a few more options in the way of logos and stadium building but just from browsing through it there didn’t seem to be much different.
  • I set up a test fantasy football league so that I could try out the feature of importing your team into Madden and playing with them as a custom team. Unfortunately right now it doesn’t work. I’ve got emails in on this issue.
  • One of the most frustrating things that can happen in a football game is getting sacked immediately after a play fake. It doesn’t happen as much as it used to but it still does. They really need to add in a quick play fake in the future. Different QBs execute them differently, there isn’t just one deliberate play fake motion that everyone does.
  • There are lots of dropped interceptions. While no one wants INTs to be the most likely way to stop the opposition, it almost seems as though dropping them is the way to compensate for poor decision making both on the user part and the CPU part.
  • What’s with the QB sprinting forward when a false start occurs? That happens in NCAA also.
  • In the Bengals-Colts game that was won in OT on a field goal the commentary was a major disappointment. It was treated as if it was just any other field goal.
  • Overall I really like the flow of the commentary. Despite criticisms I find Tom Hammond to be sufficient though overly deliberate. Chris Collinsworth comes across very naturally.
  • I’ll continue to stress the importance of Madden adding in some form of home field advantage. How something that factors into every game (for some teams more than others) is continually ignored is beyond me.
  • I have no problem with the CPU snapping quickly,  I don’t want to wait around. But I’d like at least a second or two so I could select a defensive player to control. Sometimes I can’t even get to them before they snap.
  • You can make quick subs on the play call screen which lets you move in a variety of players at each position which is great. But why can’t Seneca Wallace be put in that way yet a list of players who’ve never taken a snap at WR can be chosen?
  • Sideline awareness is poor overall. Receivers making the “sideline catch” animation when they’re several yards from the sideline, and receivers not attempting to get their feet in when they are right at the sideline.
  • Play challenges are still quite inaccurate. You can see a great example of that in the 3rd segment of the Bills-Jets game.
  • It still annoys me, as with NCAA, how you’re defaulted into different areas of the playbook depending on the situation. You get the Ask Madden on 4th downs and special teams after kicks.
  • Had an instance where the game wouldn’t call a timeout despite my constant pressing of the button at the end of the first half in the Bengals-Colts game. I’ve had this happen a few times before and have heard from others of the same. That should be looked into because it can be extremely costly and change the course of a game.
  • The jerseys get dirty (progressively) and look fantastic. I especially like that it is done on an individual basis. I formation subbed in players that hadn’t seen action and they were completely clean.
  • Random online weather is a relief to finally have. The first online game I played had snow.
  • A countdown timer needs to be added to the screen in online games when on offense. Right now after picking a play there isn’t anything displayed which makes it appear as though the game has frozen when waiting for your opponent to choose.
  • Reading a lot of reports of disconnect issues online. I haven’t played enough online yet to confirm if this is widespread or not. Last year Madden had a big problem with disconnects especially around release time.
  • After making an INT the player momentum almost always seems to pull you backwards.
  • It’s amazing how the kickers in NCAA have more leg strength on field goals than those in Madden. Thankfully Madden seems to have gotten it right.
  • The Madden Moments are a cool addition and I’ve completed several already, but having updated rosters for them and not the ones from last year takes away from the experience (though it is understandable why that’s not possible). They’re better thought of as trying to recreate the outcome rather than recreate what and how it actually happened. I also wonder why they chose the Seahawks @ Falcons which was a meaningless game in the final week of the season that didn’t even see the starters play very much. It was just a high scoring game.
  • The EA Sports World videos look better than they have for any game before Madden 09, but there is still a lot that can be done. Having sound is important, and we’ll get that with NBA Live 09 so at least it is on the way. They also need to just allow you to store them so we don’t have to download, convert, and upload elsewhere. It’s great that you can embed the videos but what good is that when you know you’ll be uploading more and deleting your previous videos by doing so?
  • Disappointed that there is no uploading of screenshots.
  • Unlike NCAA, you have to sit through the full replay when choosing the camera angle to upload from. So it can take several minutes to find the one you like best when it could just take a few seconds if you could cancel out of the replay.
  • There should be an easier way to download roster updates than starting up an online game and then exiting out of it.
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  • kwas676

    [quote comment="31696"]Where is there no commentary on SS mode or Campus Legend? It makes it extremely dry, also the play calling isn as good as it should b. I usually play as RB and My QB is always slow and they usually pick option play’s n which the guy never pitches the ball. Also there are no moves for the WR. I dunno if im gonna buy madden cus of my dissappointment with how easy College is. I might rent it first[/quote]

    Why would there be commentary, the whole point of ss and campus legend is to portray you as a player on the field.

  • kwas676

    [quote comment="31696"]Where is there no commentary on SS mode or Campus Legend? It makes it extremely dry, also the play calling isn as good as it should b. I usually play as RB and My QB is always slow and they usually pick option play’s n which the guy never pitches the ball. Also there are no moves for the WR. I dunno if im gonna buy madden cus of my dissappointment with how easy College is. I might rent it first[/quote]

    Why would there be commentary, the whole point of ss and campus legend is to portray you as a player on the field.

  • http://pastapadre.com/ sdot

    co-sign wut Trey said

  • http://pastapadre.com sdot

    co-sign wut Trey said

  • pastapadre

    [quote comment="31697"]Hey Pasta,

    Is there still a run/pass commit option tied to the right thumbstick? Flick down for run commit–up for pass commit?

    Thanks for the impressions and coverage…[/quote]

    Not sure on that…

    [quote comment="31695"]Hey Pasta was the rain game between the Seahawks and Chiefs played under heavy rain or light rain? I love how the jerseys got so dirty but if that happens in every single rain game it would be unrealistic…so are there different variations of of dirty jerseys? Or is it everytime it rains, even light rain, the jerseys look like that? Also same sort of question I just can’t tell from the video of Texans @ Titans do the jerseys get dirty in snow games?[/quote]

    It was heavy rain. Haven’t played in normal rain yet.

  • kc10785

    Strafe Catching has taking madden passing game below NCAA. Just like last year on most passing plays we have to rely on the CPU to make the catch instead of the player running to the spot of the ball press the strafe button and break down to catch the ball.Not fair on defense u can do it but the offense have to struggle

  • pastapadre

    [quote comment="31697"]Hey Pasta,

    Is there still a run/pass commit option tied to the right thumbstick? Flick down for run commit–up for pass commit?

    Thanks for the impressions and coverage…[/quote]

    Not sure on that…

    [quote comment="31695"]Hey Pasta was the rain game between the Seahawks and Chiefs played under heavy rain or light rain? I love how the jerseys got so dirty but if that happens in every single rain game it would be unrealistic…so are there different variations of of dirty jerseys? Or is it everytime it rains, even light rain, the jerseys look like that? Also same sort of question I just can’t tell from the video of Texans @ Titans do the jerseys get dirty in snow games?[/quote]

    It was heavy rain. Haven’t played in normal rain yet.

  • kc10785

    Strafe Catching has taking madden passing game below NCAA. Just like last year on most passing plays we have to rely on the CPU to make the catch instead of the player running to the spot of the ball press the strafe button and break down to catch the ball.Not fair on defense u can do it but the offense have to struggle

  • http://pastapadre.com/ sdot

    2 kwas yea ur right but if they R goin 2 take out the commentary they should add more trash talkin between the playas & crowd NOISE should be a whole lot LOUDER 2 give you the feeling of actually being on the field & let you hear playas callin out adjustments ie QB & LB audibles (ONLY 4 this mode) so the games wouldn’t seem so dead

  • Whsbraves10

    my GT is whsbraves10 and i already have the game…I have a middle man which gives me the ability to have games b4 they come out

  • http://pastapadre.com sdot

    2 kwas yea ur right but if they R goin 2 take out the commentary they should add more trash talkin between the playas & crowd NOISE should be a whole lot LOUDER 2 give you the feeling of actually being on the field & let you hear playas callin out adjustments ie QB & LB audibles (ONLY 4 this mode) so the games wouldn’t seem so dead

  • Whsbraves10

    my GT is whsbraves10 and i already have the game…I have a middle man which gives me the ability to have games b4 they come out

  • Luke M

    Is there any commentary in Superstar mode? last year NCAA had the 3 man commentary, but this year you only get the PA guy. Since a commentary duo was added to Madden, were they smart enough to have commentary during SS games?

  • Luke M

    Is there any commentary in Superstar mode? last year NCAA had the 3 man commentary, but this year you only get the PA guy. Since a commentary duo was added to Madden, were they smart enough to have commentary during SS games?

  • Trey

    If the whole point was 2 add realism 2 the mode, then why is it not deep? Cus u cant get drafted n2 the first round, no matter how many heismans u win or ne thing. I think they jus forgot 2 add it in. Also Why cant u do kick return in College LEgend? Last yera i got 2 do it twice, even tho im 99 on the roster and starting on the depth chart?

  • Andrew

    Pasta,

    Does the random weather apply to ranked online matches, too?

  • Trey

    If the whole point was 2 add realism 2 the mode, then why is it not deep? Cus u cant get drafted n2 the first round, no matter how many heismans u win or ne thing. I think they jus forgot 2 add it in. Also Why cant u do kick return in College LEgend? Last yera i got 2 do it twice, even tho im 99 on the roster and starting on the depth chart?

  • Andrew

    Pasta,

    Does the random weather apply to ranked online matches, too?

  • Kyle

    Pasta, is it true that the madden IQ is not installed into franchise?

  • Kyle

    Pasta, is it true that the madden IQ is not installed into franchise?

  • Gotti

    My Niners just signed Takeo Spikes, hey Pasta do you think this will make Tuesday’s roster update? Thanks to you man I feel a lot more confident spending $60 tommorrow night, your work with the gameplay videos and feedback is just amazing. All I want to see is a confirmation that field degreation will be more noticeable in rain and snow games.

  • Gotti

    My Niners just signed Takeo Spikes, hey Pasta do you think this will make Tuesday’s roster update? Thanks to you man I feel a lot more confident spending $60 tommorrow night, your work with the gameplay videos and feedback is just amazing. All I want to see is a confirmation that field degreation will be more noticeable in rain and snow games.

  • slamfan4life

    man i cant wait!

  • slamfan4life

    man i cant wait!

  • Chuck

    one thing i think would be cool would be face mapping for madden and NCAA

  • Chuck

    one thing i think would be cool would be face mapping for madden and NCAA

  • Mike

    Hey Pasta…Is There Anyway You Could Tell Us If There Is Switching Players Positions (I.E LG To RG, LOLB To ROLB) Without Just Doing It In The Depth Chart??? And Also If You Can Rebuild Stadium In Franchise Mode Without Moving Team Or Switch Teams After A Season In Franchise Mode??? Thanks

  • Mike

    Hey Pasta…Is There Anyway You Could Tell Us If There Is Switching Players Positions (I.E LG To RG, LOLB To ROLB) Without Just Doing It In The Depth Chart??? And Also If You Can Rebuild Stadium In Franchise Mode Without Moving Team Or Switch Teams After A Season In Franchise Mode??? Thanks

  • James

    hey pasta how are the alternate uniforms this year… im a bills fan and last years uniforms were way off but it seems like they have the right home and away unis, is there a large selection of alt uniforms this year? ( like the bills home alt they played with against washington in the preseason and against the cowboys last season on MNF)

  • James

    hey pasta how are the alternate uniforms this year… im a bills fan and last years uniforms were way off but it seems like they have the right home and away unis, is there a large selection of alt uniforms this year? ( like the bills home alt they played with against washington in the preseason and against the cowboys last season on MNF)

  • NJPapi1977

    Hey Pasta

    You can just paus the game and go to settings then gameplay and go down to pre snap menu and turn it off…it removes it completely even on hardcore…

  • NJPapi1977

    Hey Pasta

    You can just paus the game and go to settings then gameplay and go down to pre snap menu and turn it off…it removes it completely even on hardcore…

  • sean

    are dropped passes as frequent as they are in the demo?

  • sean

    are dropped passes as frequent as they are in the demo?

  • Ryan

    Thanks Pasta.

  • Ryan

    Thanks Pasta.

  • Jim

    Do you think EA will again reset the stats so the people who got the game early don’t have an early edge?

  • Jim

    Do you think EA will again reset the stats so the people who got the game early don’t have an early edge?

  • poo123

    >>>>>>I use the “hardcore” play setting to eliminate the on-screen indicators and icons. So why then on offense do I have to collapse the pre-play controls panel on every single possession?<<<<

    you must be doing something wrong

    the pre snap indicators can be turned off.
    maybe its in my madden and then options

    mine r turned off on both D and O and on hardcore

  • poo123

    >>>>>>I use the “hardcore” play setting to eliminate the on-screen indicators and icons. So why then on offense do I have to collapse the pre-play controls panel on every single possession?<<<<

    you must be doing something wrong

    the pre snap indicators can be turned off.
    maybe its in my madden and then options

    mine r turned off on both D and O and on hardcore

  • Xander Harris

    I still can’t believe Madden doesn’t have home field advantage, that is such bull…

  • Xander Harris

    I still can’t believe Madden doesn’t have home field advantage, that is such bull…

  • kc10785

    *need strafe catching

    *I played one game online and the person i was playing was driving down the field to win the game he threw 2 bone head passes and my DB played it well and drop 2 INT’s right in there hand that could of ended the game.He ended up scoring and wininng the game

    *I have seen a lot of hit stick fumbles and strips could be a problem

    *Every online game i played except one the games is close with the play clock longer then NCAA a lot of people kill the clock from the first quarter.It feels like 5 mins is not enough time

    *U can’t change the buttons for your controller

    Just some bad things I notice

  • kc10785

    *need strafe catching

    *I played one game online and the person i was playing was driving down the field to win the game he threw 2 bone head passes and my DB played it well and drop 2 INT’s right in there hand that could of ended the game.He ended up scoring and wininng the game

    *I have seen a lot of hit stick fumbles and strips could be a problem

    *Every online game i played except one the games is close with the play clock longer then NCAA a lot of people kill the clock from the first quarter.It feels like 5 mins is not enough time

    *U can’t change the buttons for your controller

    Just some bad things I notice

  • r00tabaga

    I got disconnected twice last night in the 1st quarter w/ 0-0 scores and I got two losses for it. No explanation! I don’t have not had any problems w/NCAA online and already out of the box I’m now 0-3 (great 1st game 34-31 loss)………

  • r00tabaga

    I got disconnected twice last night in the 1st quarter w/ 0-0 scores and I got two losses for it. No explanation! I don’t have not had any problems w/NCAA online and already out of the box I’m now 0-3 (great 1st game 34-31 loss)………

  • Tyler

    Wow, im pretty dissapointed in madden, it kinda seems like maddens bundled with head coach now that head coach doesn’t have nearly as many problems.

  • Tyler

    Wow, im pretty dissapointed in madden, it kinda seems like maddens bundled with head coach now that head coach doesn’t have nearly as many problems.

  • Dmitry

    big madden fan 2nite im going to get it at mid night im hella excited

  • Dmitry

    big madden fan 2nite im going to get it at mid night im hella excited

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