The First Big Test For 365 and Insider

there something called FAN VOICE on the nba.com site .......people arguing left & right...you guys should check it out

datz why he came 2 LAC he thought he was gonna hav EB Mr.20 & 10 & Corey get 2 da Lane wen eva I want Maggette

bow hwo does he hav 2 Replace dem Camby & R.Davis NO DISRESPECT 2 either of those playas but neither of dem fill da shoes of Elton & Corey

bottom Line if BD had a good Big Man he would get easier shots & shoot a HIGHER %


advantage SDOT

EXACTLY my point ( CAN"T believe i'm CO-SIGNING) IV

Baron has 2 shoot cuz he's da BEST OPTION on his teams

ex Lokkk @ how HARD it was 4 Kobe Best Playa in da League Bryant 2 get da lakers in da Play Offs wen da SHAQ trade 1st went down

& den after he did he couldn't get dem past da 1ST rd & dis is da BEST PLAYER here why
1 cuz he was in da WEST
2 Nobody wanted / believed dey could take / make da BIG SHOT

datz da whole reason Baron came LAC he already took dat GSW as far as he could why did dey lose 2 da jazz in da PO's cuz dey had NO Big Man 2 CONTAIN / MATCH da Efforts of BOOZER

but B DIDDY IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF PLAYER HE'S A MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE SCORER THAN CP3 IS AND HE HAD TO BE WHICH COULD ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO HIM HAVING TO TAKE ALOT OF BAD SHOTS BUT HE GETS THE JOB DONE IF U GET THE W THEN SO BE IT

cp3 is a better shooter though if u compare the stats career wiseand west was garbage b4 cp3 came along

wtf sdot has made a point 4 the 1st time in his life wooooooooooooooow. i would be ashamed to get owned by sdot ........lmao.

ummmmmm just a quick fyi iverson was on the pistons the next day if u looked at the bottom of the list he is exactly where he should be on the ir list which means until billups takes his physical the trade is not complete. just 4 the ea haters who think they know everything.

dam my point is STRING even wit da TYPO's now datz sayin sumthin

U talk bout FT% & wut Baron has done lately who does Baron hav

ex:
D-Will got Boozer
CP3 has West
Nash has Amare & now Shaq
Tony has Timmy
Jose has CB4 & now JO
Chauncey has Sheed

Miller didn't hav 1 until recently & how far did he get F-A-C-T is wen U hav an INSIDE PRESENCE it frees U up 4 higher % shots wen U don't gotta do it ALL on
ur OWN

Baron Carried both da warriors & da Hornets 2 da PLAY OFFS & GSW past da # 1 seed which had NEVER bin done in a NBA 7 gm series

he made HISTORY dats wut he's donw DUMMY

ADVANTAGE SDOT

PASTA: I hate to break it to you but you have missed one fundamental point here and that point being that 365 Live is based upon REALITY. Untl these players actually suit up and play a game in a real NBA game, there will be no addition to them on the roster of there new teams.

Currently as of 11/5/08 Chauncey Billups has not taken his team physical yet with the Nuggets which in turn is preventing Allen Iverson from playing with the Pistons.

So, in actuality Live 365 is spot on in not placing Mc Dyess and Billups on the Nuggets roster and Iverson on the Pistons'.

anyone know what number billiups will be??

dam every time I read ur post U LOSE credibility

1st U were sayin Live was BETTA dan 2K GPLAY wise
we kno which 1 is REALLY BETTA DON'T we

2 U argued Live Graphix were betta just chec da faces of da NBA @ gamespot do U see dirk & rudy gay LBJ in those pix
nuff sed

3 now ur sayin Cp3 is a BETTA outside shooter dan Baron & dat rudy fernandez is a BETTA playa

STUPID STUPID

CP3 is NOT known 4 beinn a SHOOTER datz a BLATANT LIE ur stat comparison is RIDICULOUS season just STARTED & Baron is playin wit an ALL NEW TEAM

U REACHIN

Billups bein an MVP was BULL ever1 knows dat should hav went 2 SHEED CUT IT

eastern conference Finals ??? 2 things 1 itz da EAST cut da Bull dat was da softer division itz ONLY gettin BETTA cuz WEST playas R goin deer
Brand
KG
Ray
A.I.
da EAST was WEAK 4 yrs also U act like Billups didn't hav a Team as if he Carried dem WHICH he DIDN'T

arenas ain't even da BEST ALL AROUND PLAYER on his TEAM Butler is so where U goin wit dat

fam rudy stats ain't based on yrs play'd in da league he's off 2 an OK start but he AIN'T in da same WEIGHT CLASS as Baron

And I already know you'll rebute sdot, without any facts supporting you, or anything like that. So save yourself the energy and not even reply because I'll come back with actual unbiased fact, and prove you wrong yet again. Let's spare these boards your failed attempts to try and prove a point, because you're wrong. I won't even check back on this section, so there's no need to even write back, because there is no way you can justify your argument my friend. Have a good one.

LOL@sdot. You matched consistent shooting with Baron Davis

"get my point put it like dis if U were 2 Zone up who’s more likely 2 CONSISTENTLY PUNISH U from Beyond da ARC CP3 D-Will or Baron REAL TALK"

Fact is Baron Davis shoots in high volumes and is a poor shooter. REAL TALK

Any GM in the NBA would take the aforementioned PG's I mentioned over Baron Davis. Baron Davis doesn't make anyone better, he can't play without the ball, he isolates way too much.

Currently 22 point guards have a higher player efficiency rating than Baron Davis. Since you obviously don't follow basketball and you questions me picking Calderon over Davis. Take a look below.

Baron Davis:
12 ppg, 6 assist, 3 rebounds, 27% 3PTc, 34 FG and 2.3 turnovers and 3.3 fouls per game, oh the Clippers haven't won a game yet..27 minutes a game

Jose Calderon:
19.5 ppg, 9.3 assist, 4 rebounds, 54% 3PT, and 52% FG (over 50% for career), and 100% FT with 2.25 turnovers and 2.25 fouls per game, Toronto 3-1....38 minutes a game.

Here is something for you to take. Why do you think Steve Kerr is regarded as one of the better long range shooters in NBA history? The man didn't take high volumes of shot. He consistently hit over the 50% throughout the season. CP3 and D-Will don't take as many shots as Baron Davis, but they consistently hit more shots than him throughout an entire season and get the reputation of being better shooters.

The fact that Davis continues to shoot in large volumes from beyond the arc baffles me, when he obviously has a strength advantage and should be posting up more instead of trying to act like he's playing on the school yard and on a hot streak. If you shoot enough shots your bound to make one, but that's why they track field goal percentage to see how effective you are and how much of a threat you are. He's flat out inconsistent sdot, and I can't believe you are making this arguement. No one will agree with you on the points you made. Just because he's a beast in NBA 2K9 doesn't mean he is in real life. REAL TALK.

Billups is overrated, yet has been to the Eastern Conference Finals how many times? He's been an all-star how many times? Finals MVP?

Nash is STILL an all-star and still putting up great numbers despite his age.

Arenas is a franchise player and the face of his team, even while injured.

Rudy Fernandez is putting up around 15 ppg off the bench and making it look so easy. The man will be the best point guard in the league in a few years.

As for Arenas having more turnovers, you're right, by .5

Davis has average 1.5 more assist per game than Arenas, but Arenas has average 6 more points, shot a higher percentage and has a higher true shooting percentage.

SDOT, you've failed my friend.

@ JR 1ST who U seen post up BARON NOT any PG ur talkin bout SG so datz null as

far as % like I sed dey mean NOTHIN CP3 & dem only shoot higher cuz dey shoot less NOT cuz dey SHOOT BETTA if ur a Chuck Hayes & shootin 80% from da Free throw line but ONLY took 5 Free Throws it doesn't mean ur a BETTA FT shooter dan LBJ how takin way MORE but Only shoots 70%

get my point put it like dis if U were 2 Zone up who's more likely 2 CONSISTENTLY PUNISH U from Beyond da ARC CP3 D-Will or Baron REAL TALK


now as far as ur List goes LAST TIME I SAW sum1 REACHIN like dat he got SWUNG ON

calderon Arenas Rose Billups Rudy Nash WTF datz just STUPID STUPID

Nash is OLD injury prone & has 0 Defense
Calderon is unproven so is Rose & Rudy U just sed wut has BD done Lately wut hav dey done NOTHIN ! ! !

Bill-ups Overrated & Agent 0 CAN'T pass seriously he throws so many TO's

its like people don't understand that the 365 doesn't work in dynasty bc of computer trades and simulated injuries and so many other factors its almost comical. . .

Pasta i need help man...First of all....i noticed Juwon Howard was waived but still on the Denver roster....but rumour has it Denver is going to resign him because Antonio Mcdyess is getting a buyout...2nd of all....i started a Dynasty mode before the AI trade...and i dont know how to update the rosters in dynasty mode...it suxx....

Oh, and sdot. I have NBA League pass bro, I watch everyone. I'm a basketball fanatic.

As for Davis being healthy, the most games he played in 6 seasons prior to last season was 67 games. The guy is injury prone. He's always played in an uptempo offense (Paul Silas, Don Nelson). Davis is a heck of a player, but is good on mediocre teams.

D-Will and CP3 actually shot better than B-Diddy last year from beyond the Arc. So from this point on Sdot, I really want you to see the games, look at stats, before you make them up on the spot. Would be greatly appreciated.

He chucks up way too many 3's for a guy who shoots around 30%. He gets too many silly fouls, because he gambles on the defensive end. He's not a good post defender despite his upper body strength and lower body strength.

He's still an all star caliber player in my opinion, but highly overrated since the Dallas series. Before then I felt he didn't get the recognition he deserved, but people placing him top 5 is just funny. If I were running an organization, there are the PG's I would take above him:

Tony Parker
Jose Calderon
Steve Nash
Derek Rose
Chauncey Billups
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Gilbert Arenas
Rudy Fernandez
Andre Miller

I'm a UCLA fan, I'm from southern California, I watched B-Diddy play a lot. He's an exciting player. A.I.'s shooting percentage is low, but what made him him a HoF caliber player was his competitiveness, MVP award, all-star births, all-nba awards, scoring championships and taking the 76ers to the finals with no other talent on the team and having the title for being pound for pound the toughest guy in the NBA.

I'm not trying to knock B-Diddy's game, but he shoots right at 40% and shoots way too many 3's. He's played in offenses that pretty much put the ball in his hands, but with the exception of Dallas a couple years ago, what has he done for me lately?

He has been injured throughout the years, last year he was healthy, but it looks like he's a little bruised up to begin the season.

I have to get going, but CP3 and D-Will both shot better from the outside than B-diddy last year. Will continue this convo when I get home.

now bout BARON shootin % is OVERRATED A.I. is a GREAT PLAYA & competitor / HoF& doesn't shoot a high %

as far as injuries I mean wen he's healthy of course which has bin da 3 yrs 4 da most part

I mean lets compare sum other pg's Baron has Betta On BAll Defensive dan Nash & D-Will just look @ any game wen he plays against Kobe I hate wen he guards Kobe cuz he just keep forcin him N2 mistakes

way BETTA outside Shot dan CP3 & D-Will da BEST POST game of any PG in da league right now

& he also makes his TEAM MATES BETTA

& CAN'T be GUARDED 1 on 1 like a couple of other TOP playas in da League oh yea he's also da STRONGEST PG in da League

I mean seriously JR I want U from dis point 4ward 2 REALLY watch Baron's game & tell me he ain't 1 of da BEST doin it

@ JR datz my point dey are rebuildin by gettin rid of Camby & Najera but den dey trade 4 Billups its like deer NOT sure EXACTLY wut dey wanna do wit da team

also I don't think ur watchin Billups closely enuff fam is a NUT on da Lo just look @ him in da ASG he's playin wit da best & jackin CRAZY trust me he'll prove dat he's NOT as much of a TRY PG as ya'll make him out 2 be

JR I kinda think I kno wut U mean but how can U say he plays passin lanes well but doesn't GAMBLE if U try & jump da pass datz GAMBLIN

like I bein sayin for 2 yrs now Dencer NEEDS 2 FIRE Karlhow does he still hav a job

I mean Mike Got Fired from da Suns 4 unda achievin same Avery same wit Zeek same Larry & Rick C but George has unda achieved 5 yrs goin on 6 & STLL ISN'T in da HOT SEAT WTF

I'm not a big fan of B-Diddy's game. He's played well on mediocer teams. Don't get me wrong, he has talent, but shoots a very low FG%, has been injury prone, until recently out of shape, and gambles too much on both the offensive and defensive end.

sdot. Billups won't hesitate to take a shot, but he doesn't look to create his (he doesn't really possess the ability). While in Detriot, there weren't any other players that could do that for themselves with the exception of Sheed and maybe Prince on an isolation post up.

When I say Billups will be a better defender, is that he plays great team defense. He plays the passing lanes well, and doesn't gamble on the defensive end. I don't think anyone in the league can stick with CP3 or Nash, especially with pick and rolls.

Where the Billup's trade helps the Nuggets, is that Billups won't look for his shot first, even though he won't mind taking it if it's there. Its gives Melo a majority of the shots, but more importantly allows JR Smith to develop into a full time starter with 15-20 shots a game. Billups also gives them a 3 point threat out there, which should help Melo who likes to isolate or go on the block.

As for the Camby trade, I understood the intangibles behind it, but here are my gripes.

- You don't rebuild in the west unless you completely implode a team. They aren't getting rid of Melo, but you have to keep him happy, or he'll jet first opportunity or demand a trade.

- By trading Camby they saved cap space, but trade for Billups who has how many years left on his contract (2 years)? Are they rebuilding or are they trying to contend? You bring someone like Billups in to contend. If they are rebuilding, it would make sense to keep A.I. and let his contract expire, or trade him for a big contract + younger talent or draft picks. This wasn't the case. Therefore, thats why I believe the Camby trade in retrospect is a boneheaded move as they appear to not be rebuilding by taking a longer contract than A.I.

But it was a good trade when you just analyze that in itself, but doesn't justify Denver's actions over the summer. Lottery team this year, and they'll trade Billup's over the summer going into the final year of his contract.

[quote comment="44243"]oh yea I left out my dude BARON who's TOP 3 OVR PG's in da LEAGUE
HANDS DOWN like 6:30

I personally think he's @ least #2 in da League OVERALL[/quote]


I agree wit Baron but he's like Tracy McGrady. They both probably have the most natural talent in the league meaning that they make it look easy but neither one of them can stay healthy. They're not durable & they're injury prone. You have to consider that when ranking the best players in the league.

@Mike G. -- The thing is, Iverson was already on the Pistons' roster as of Monday night because he was one of the inactives for the game. Therefore, it should've been an easy, logical step to add him to the roster for Live.

I'm assuming that this trade won't be finalized on 365 until they each play a game. Correct me if I'm wrong, b/c I played last night and the update was not there. ?

oh yea I left out my dude BARON who's TOP 3 OVR PG's in da LEAGUE
HANDS DOWN like 6:30

I personally think he's @ least #2 in da League OVERALL

@ JR I agree wit ur 1ST paragraph we diff on da 2ND

1) Chauncey is NOT a TRU PG he also has a SHOOT 1ST mentality he just doesn't shoot as much as A.I.
2)Billups WON'T be much of an UPGRADE on D cuz its NOT like he's gonna SHUT DOWN da CP3's Steve Nash's D-Will's Tony Parker's of da League
2b)@ least A.I made does guys work just as HARD 2 guard him as dey made it 2 guard dem Billups is an EASIER assignment den A.I. ESPECIALLY in DENVER wit dat thin air wen playas had 2 chase Ivo as he pushed it up da court


as far as da Camby TRADE dat was done cuz da NUGGETS R in a rebuildin process dey let go Najera Camby 2 of deer BETTA defensive playas

I think both teams got exactly what they've been needed the past couple years. Detriot got an elite scorer, who can create is own shot, and help spread the defense a lot more with his penetrating and shooting. They also give themselves cap flexibility if things do not work out, and can further develop Stucky.

For the nuggets, they finally have a solid true point guard (again) who isn't as demanding with the ball as Iverson was, which should give Melo more shots, but more importantly give JR Smith more looks. This also balances the starting lineup, and will move JR to the starting lineup as the SG and Billups at the 1. Defensively, on the wing and perimeter, this is going to be an upgraded team defensively. I still don't like the Camby trade, it shouldn't have been done, but hey, this was a great trade for both teams, but it does give Detriot the opportunity to rebuild without becoming a lottery team (ala San Antonio).

[quote comment="44221"]chauncey is OVERRATED he just gotta make sure he gets da ball in Melo & JR hands

& try & STAY outta deer way

oh yea he how he gonna FIX Melo & JR attitude datz deer team he ain't pullin NO rank in in DENVER[/quote]



wow calm down dawg...apparently you never watch the pistons play.... he is our best player not talent wise (like rasheed) but he plays hard and is one of the smartest PGs in the game..in terms of pure point guards he is way better than chauncey

if you didnt see the pistons than you obviously dont know how good chauncey is


and please dont bring up stats.. as chauncey brought more to the game than just that...

all piston fans are gonna miss him

chauncey is OVERRATED he just gotta make sure he gets da ball in Melo & JR hands

& try & STAY outta deer way


oh yea he how he gonna FIX Melo & JR attitude datz deer team he ain't pullin NO rank in in DENVER

i think iverson can really work with detroit he could take them very far and billups my favorite player os gonna hve to fix some guys attitudes like melo and jr smith

trend lines, stats class, sign me up also dude!!

[quote comment="44207"]Thank You! People are so biased and judgemental sometimes its rediculous.

And for a record, if a guy hasn't, or never will play a game with a team, he shouldn't be on the team in the game.

"FOR THE LAST TIME- LIVE 365 IS FREE!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT????!!!!

THE ONLY WAY YOU PAY FOR 365 IS IF YOU BUY A USED COPY OF THE GAME OR RENT IT..ALL NEW COPIES HAVE 365 FOR FREE!!!

God, are all you whiners out there serious right now with all this complaining? Think about it- you are complaining that a game hasn’t got a player on a specific team when that player HASN’T EVEN PLAYED A GAME WITH THE TEAM YET! Wait until AI plays his first game for the Pistons and then it will be updated. For the love of god, does anyone know what number AI and Chauncey are going to wear yet on their new teams?

Here’s an idea- if you can’t wait until both play their first game for the proper roster update to come out, manually make the trade….GROUNDBREAKING IDEA!

In the meantime, how about waiting until the season is about a month old before judging 365? How in the heck are you supposed to track statistical data and get proper trend lines when you don’t have enough data to get trend lines? Has anyone here takin a stats class in their life?

Honestly, please, everyone stop complaining about the supidest things."[/quote]
hey paul, calm down there buckaroo, people can say whats on their minds as long as it is in pastas guidelines, also can you tell me about a stats class, i would like to sign up.

CHAUNCEY is HIGHLY OVERRATED he WON'T SHUT DOWN any TOP PG's & he also WON'T make dem work as hard on da DEFENSIVE END 2 guard him like A.I did


DETROIT DEF got da BEST of dis DEAL ESPECIALLY if antonio doesn't play 4 dem it will BASICALLY be


a HALL of FAMER 4 a JOURNEY MAN

chauncey also cant be #2 because of alex english right????

I understand the DNA feature requiring more games (I'd like to see 10 games before activated), but to provide an update which changes every single player to 14% per category was just a flat out dumb move.

Thank You! People are so biased and judgemental sometimes its rediculous.

And for a record, if a guy hasn't, or never will play a game with a team, he shouldn't be on the team in the game.

"FOR THE LAST TIME- LIVE 365 IS FREE!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT????!!!!

THE ONLY WAY YOU PAY FOR 365 IS IF YOU BUY A USED COPY OF THE GAME OR RENT IT..ALL NEW COPIES HAVE 365 FOR FREE!!!

God, are all you whiners out there serious right now with all this complaining? Think about it- you are complaining that a game hasn’t got a player on a specific team when that player HASN’T EVEN PLAYED A GAME WITH THE TEAM YET! Wait until AI plays his first game for the Pistons and then it will be updated. For the love of god, does anyone know what number AI and Chauncey are going to wear yet on their new teams?

Here’s an idea- if you can’t wait until both play their first game for the proper roster update to come out, manually make the trade….GROUNDBREAKING IDEA!

In the meantime, how about waiting until the season is about a month old before judging 365? How in the heck are you supposed to track statistical data and get proper trend lines when you don’t have enough data to get trend lines? Has anyone here takin a stats class in their life?

Honestly, please, everyone stop complaining about the supidest things."

365 sucks ass. I dont care if it was free its horrible just like madden.