Madden Roster Update #10 Details (Attempt #2)

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Posted November 5th, 2008 at 4:00 pm

Having sorted through the technical problem that delayed the original roster update #10 for Madden 09, EA Sports now is set to release it on Friday. There have been additional changes made to what was going to come out last week as this will reflect what would’ve been in this week’s update as well. For example Daunte Culpepper is now on the Lions.

Continue on to view the changes that will come in this update which include all the transactions, ratings up/down, injuries, and contract extensions.

Transactions
FB Reagan Mauia – Released to Free Agents (IR)
S Corey Lynch – Released to Free Agents (IR)
HB Andre Hall – Released to Free Agents (IR)
LB Mario Haggan – Signs with Broncos
S Oliver Celestin – Released by Cardinals
TE Stephen Spach – Signs with Cardinals
LB Ali Highsmith – Released to Free Agents (IR)
LB Pago Togafau – Signs with Cardinals
T Andrew Carnahan – Signs with Chiefs
G Tre Stallings – Removed
TE John Paul Foschi – Released by Chiefs
TE Mike Merritt – Added to Chiefs
WR Kevin Robinson – Added to Chiefs
DT Antonio Johnson – Signs with Colts
CB Nick Graham – Signs with Colts
CB Joey Thomas – Signs with Dolphins
FB Lousaka Polite – Signs with Dolphins
WR Derek Hagan – Released by Dolphins
TE Jason Rader – Released by Falcons
LT Wayne Gandy – Signs with Falcons
FB David Kirtman – Released by 49ers
TE/FB Sean Ryan – Signs with 49ers
QB Erik Ainge – Released to Free Agents (IR)
K John Carney – Added to Giants
G Chris Naeole – Released to Free Agents (IR)
S Chad Nkang – Signs with Jaguars
DT Langston Moore – Released by Lions
QB Daunte Culpepper – Signs with Lions
FB Darian Barnes – Signs with Lions
S Antwain Spann – Added to Patriots
FB Jason Davis – Signs with Raiders
LB Robert Thomas – Released to Free Agents IR
LB Marquis Cooper – Signs with Raiders
CB DeAngelo Hall – Released by Raiders
CB Michael Waddell – Signs with Raiders
TE Daniel Fells – Added to Free Agents
WR Dante Hall – Released to Free Agents IR
LB David Vobora – Signs with Rams
HB Kenneth Darby – Added to Rams
HB Samkon Gado – Added to Free Agents
WR Demetrius Williams – Released to Free Agents (IR)
WR Terrance Copper – Signs with Ravens
K Garrett Hartley – Signs with Saints
K Taylor Mehlhaff – Released by Saints
P Ben Graham – Released by Saints
P Glenn Pakulak – Signs with Saints
LB Patrick Bailey – Signs with Steelers
LB Donovan Woods – Released by Steelers
DE N.D. Kalu – Released by Texans
QB Craig Nall – Signs with Texans
LB Marcus Buggs – Added to Free Agents
CB Josh Bell – Added to Free Agents
LT Matt Murphy – Added to Free Agents
QB Darrell Hackney – Added to Free Agents
LB Eric Henderson – Added to Free Agents
T Oliver Ross – Added to Free Agents
CB Mike Richardson – Added to Free Agents

Ratings up
CB Jabari Greer – Bills – 84 to 85 – Has played well and played extensively last week with McGee struggling.
HB Fred Jackson – Bills – 80 to 81 – Continues to catch passes, return kickoffs and even lead block on TD runs for Lynch.
S Bryan Scott – Bills – 72 to 77 – Has been in heavy rotation the past couple weeks for the Bills.
C Duke Preston – Bills – 76 to 77 – Has filled in for Melvin Fowler at Center for the Bills.
DT Shaun Rogers – Browns – 94 to 95 – Played a dominate game vs. the Jaguars. Racked up 9 tackles and a sack a stretch of sheer dominance when he stopped MJD at the line then blocked a kick and recovered it.
LB D’Qwell Jackson – Browns – 85 to 86 – The leading tackler for the Browns by 30 tackles with 66 on the year.
LT Donald Penn – Bucs – 82 to 84 – Did a very solid job blocking vs. DeMarcus Ware and the Cowboys.
WR Steve Breaston – Cardinals – 82 to 83 – Continued to develop and looks more and more like a #2 receiver at the very least.
CB Orlando Scandrick – Cowboys – 75 to 76 – Playing well with Mike Jenkins as the Cowboys battle injuries in the secondary.
CB Andre Goodman – Dolphins – 72 to 74 – Has been elevated to the starting lineup with a season ending injury to Michael Lehan. Made a couple plays vs. the Bills in week 8.
LB Joey Porter – Dolphins – 90 to 92 – Now leads the NFL in sacks after two more vs. the Bills. Blew past pro bowl LT Jason Peters to the inside on one of them.
WR Roddy White – Falcons – 90 to 92 – Is a certifiable monster at WR. Battled tight coverage from Asante Samuel all day on his way to two scores.
WR Matt Jones – Jaguars – 80 to 81 – Continues to lead the Jags in catches and yards. With a potential suspension looming, has 38 catches and 455 yards.
CB Darrelle Revis – Jets – 89 to 91 -
CB Chris Gamble – Panthers – 89 to 90 – 3rd on the team in tackles with 48 tackles and has 11 passes defended.
CB Ken Lucas – Panthers – 88 to 89 –Lucas has 2 INT’s and 9 passes defended on the season.
DE Chris Long – Rams – 84 to 86 – The bright spot on defense for the Rams. Starting to really come on the past several weeks.
QB Joe Flacco – Ravens – 77 to 79 – Has a bad TD to INT ratio but is completing 62% of his passes with a less than stellar group at the skill positions.
QB Jason Campbell – Redskins – 87 to 88 – Whether or not you think he is a good Quarterback or not; there is something to be said about not turning over the ball. Campbell still has 0 INT’s while some QB’s are in double digits.
WR Santana Moss- Redskins – 87 to 88 – Has had some explosive games this season, also some terrible dropped passes.
TE Billy Miller – Saints – 74 to 76 – Has picked up the extra receptions Shockey and Colston left on the field when they were injured.
RT Ray Willis – Seahawks – 72 to 78 – Has played at both tackle spots due to injuries. Has played better than the starting RT that was given an extension over the offseason.
DE Aaron Smith – Steelers – 94 to 95 – His health coincides the Steelers defensive rank. When he is in there they are #1 the past two seasons; when he is not they are above average.
S Troy Polamalu – Steelers – 97 to 98 – The best safety so far this season. Looking extremely active in coverage.
S Michael Griffin – Titans – 89 to 90 – Not suffering a sophomore slump like some of the big name second year safeties.
K Rob Bironas – Titans – 91 to 94 – 13/14 on the year in field goals after a solid season last year kicking.

Ratings Down
DE Mark Anderson – Bears – 84 to 82 – Had a great rookie season. Has done next to nothing in year 3.
S Marlon McCree – Broncos – 79 to 74 – Benched recently on one of the worst secondary’s in football.
CB Karl Paymah – Broncos – 79 to 77 – Not getting much help from the defensive line via rushing the passer or stopping the run, but still not working out as the nickel.
CB Terrence McGee – Bills – 93 to 92 – Had a rough game to say the least in his first game starting back from injury. Was a liability against Ted Ginn and Greg Camarillo.
LB Willie McGinest – Browns – 84 to 81 – A heady player who can’t get it done anymore. Last year in Cleveland or any team for that matter most likely.
DE Jacques Cesaire – Chargers – 83 to 81 – Had a good season last year rushing the passer, this year not as much.
DE Igor Olshansky – Chargers – 83 to 82 – The Chargers have already admitted he won’t be back. Not very productive in his career.
WR Marvin Harrison – Colts – 96 to 95 – Appears to have lost a step the past few weeks. Not really able to get open against a good Titans secondary or against only average DB’s in Green Bay.
QB Brad Johnson – Cowboys – 78 to 77 – Appears to no longer possess an NFL caliber arm. Bad Johnson seems appropriate.
CB Anthony Henry – Cowboys – 87 to 86 – Looks to be one of those corners QB’s find at the line of scrimmage. Doesn’t have the ability to play corner anymore. The Cowboys need to get healthy so they can put him at safety.
QB J.T. O’Sullivan – 49ers – 78 to 77 – Has now been benched after a wild ride of INT’s, poor blocking, dropped passes and fumbles. Shaun Hill might not be the answer, but he gets rid of the ball unlike Sullivan.
WR Bryant Johnson – 49ers – 82 to 79 – Has been demoted after the 49ers signed him from the Cardinals in free agency. No complaints from the Cardinals I bet.
WR Arnaz Battle – 49ers – 82 to 80 – Your basic run of the mill NFL slot receiver that should be replaced.
C Brad Meester – Jaguars – 93 to 92 – First game back from injury – meet Shaun Rogers. Rogers had a banner day vs. Meester and the rest of the Jags interior line.
WR Jerry Porter – Jaguars – 84 to 83 – Continues to be a non-factor on the Jaguars.
WR Troy Williamson – Jaguars – 78 to 75 – Has 3 catches for 17 yards on the year. Just a guy blessed with speed playing WR.
LB Vernon Gholston – Jets – 80 to 79 – A little slow to make the transition from end to OLB. Currently has 6 tackles and doesn’t seem close to cracking the starting lineup anytime soon.
FS Dwight Smith – Lions – 86 to 84 – Is injured now but when he was in there QB’s were still putting up record numbers.
G Edwin Mulitalo – Lions – 79 to 75 – Has now been finally benched for Damion Cook.
LB Ernie Sims – Lions – 94 to 93 – Not the star most people were expecting currently. Still gets a lot of tackles but that’s gonna happen when your down by 21 in the 4th quarter.
LB Will Witherspoon – Rams – 92 to 91 – Having an off year in the middle for the Rams. Definitely possesses the body of an OLB.
DT Adam Carriker – Rams – 89 to 86 – Has not played up to his potential from his rookie year and is in somewhat of a sophomore slump.
RT Alex Barron – Rams – 85 to 83 – Whiffs attempting to pass block too often.
DT Sedric Ellis – Saints – 84 to 80 – Just got back from injury but has not looked like the monster he did at USC.
RT Sean Locklear – Seahawks – 86 to 84 – On the verge of being replaced at RT.
LG Chris Kemoeatu – Steelers – 81 to 79 – A mauler in the run game who doesn’t fare as well in the pass blocking game.
RT Willie Colon – Steelers – 80 to 79 – Not starting quality caliber in the NFL.
WR Limas Sweed – Steelers – 79 to 77 – Not doing a whole lot with most of the rookie WR class.

Injuries
LB John DiGiorgio – Bills – IR
HB Michael Pittman – Broncos – IR
WR Joe Jurevicius – Browns – IR
QB Damon Huard – Chiefs – IR
HB Kolby Smith – Chiefs – IR
CB Marlin Jackson – Colts – IR
CB Michael Lehan – Dolphins – IR
HB Jesse Chatman – Jets – IR
LB Shawn Crable – Patriots – IR
S Tyvon Branch – Raiders – IR
WR Drew Bennett – Rams – IR
LB Zac Diles – Texans – IR

Contracts
HB Patrick Cobbs – Dolphins – 3 years total
QB Aaron Rodgers – Packers – 7 years
K John Kasay – Panthers – 5 years (total)

  • http://www.pastapadre.com/ Moab73

    Like I said….stop hating and recognize what I wrote?!?! No team now has the key guys we have hurt and is winning, nobody. As for our hardware…NFL accomplishments are measured by championships not wins cause at the end of the season, if its not the Super Bowl hardware….it was a bust!!! PERIOD!!! Let me type this slow….key…players….whom are starters…pro bowlers….are..not…on.. the…field….5….to be accurate. Again, take 5 starters off any team and they will lose more than they win. Furthermore, The ratings of the 96 we have was earned from last year….which also produced those 13 pro bowlers. The same method Madden has been using since day 1. Wait til next year to get the weak team half the world would love to see on that edition, until then…if ya’ll scared, don’t play the Cowboys online or within the confines of your homes cause it’s futile.Those are the “facts” jack!!

  • http://www.pastapadre.com Moab73

    Like I said….stop hating and recognize what I wrote?!?! No team now has the key guys we have hurt and is winning, nobody. As for our hardware…NFL accomplishments are measured by championships not wins cause at the end of the season, if its not the Super Bowl hardware….it was a bust!!! PERIOD!!! Let me type this slow….key…players….whom are starters…pro bowlers….are..not…on.. the…field….5….to be accurate. Again, take 5 starters off any team and they will lose more than they win. Furthermore, The ratings of the 96 we have was earned from last year….which also produced those 13 pro bowlers. The same method Madden has been using since day 1. Wait til next year to get the weak team half the world would love to see on that edition, until then…if ya’ll scared, don’t play the Cowboys online or within the confines of your homes cause it’s futile.Those are the “facts” jack!!

  • Bill O’Reilly

    Micahel turner isnt even >90 yet …..you chris johnson fans need to be quiet

  • Bill O’Reilly

    Micahel turner isnt even >90 yet …..you chris johnson fans need to be quiet

  • Keith

    Does anyone know what time the update is made available? It would be very helpful if anyone could answer this question.

  • Keith

    Does anyone know what time the update is made available? It would be very helpful if anyone could answer this question.

  • Willy2535

    [quote comment="44473"]Does anyone know what time the update is made available?

    It would be very helpful if anyone could answer this question.[/quote]

    Its supposed to be out sometime friday

  • Willy2535

    [quote comment="44473"]Does anyone know what time the update is made available?

    It would be very helpful if anyone could answer this question.[/quote]

    Its supposed to be out sometime friday

  • Keith

    Is there a normal time they come out?

  • Keith

    Is there a normal time they come out?

  • Willy2535

    [quote comment="44477"]Is there a normal time they come out?[/quote]

    Not sure srry

  • Willy2535

    [quote comment="44477"]Is there a normal time they come out?[/quote]

    Not sure srry

  • Willy2535

    hey does anyone know if those new uniforms the Skins have been wearing are on madden? the all Maroon ones?

  • Shotgun Shawn

    Come one, what about some love for Tyler Thigpen

  • Willy2535

    hey does anyone know if those new uniforms the Skins have been wearing are on madden? the all Maroon ones?

  • Shotgun Shawn

    Come one, what about some love for Tyler Thigpen

  • dolfan87

    ONCE AGAIN NOT ONLY BECAUSE IM A DOLPHIN FAN BUT ANYBODY CAN SEE THIS AS WELL

    CHAD PENNINGTON- had another solid performance and its due an upgrade after the last 2 games he played he did not get one. Huge numbers agaisnt buffalo. Decent performance vs denver. ACCURACY. 85–87 I BELEIVE

    GREG CAMARILLO- He continues to be chads go to guy and he completely burst out in denver. HE has great hands and is a great route runner. The man is a 78 with 80 catching. should be an 80 with 83 cathcing.

    JOEY PORTER- It is constantly said you cant upgrade a guy bases on his one game performance because you wont know if hes gonig to be consistent. Well this man he has and is consistent. Had another sack which keeps his ovrl lead and is the most dominant lb in the league. I welcome anyone to prove me wrong. If Shawn merriman was healthy he couldnt even keep up. 92 after week 10 update 94 i beleive.

    ANTHONY FASANO. I Already said this man is underated and if he was in the cowboys he would sure be an 87 TE. He is chad go to guy as a te and makes great catches. Is faster and has better hands then he gets put in the game.

    YEREMIAH BELL- LIKE I SAID BEST PLAYER IN FINS SECONDARY- Had 3 forced fumbles and continues to make tackles in every play his way.

    (IDK IF THERE WERE ANY UPDATES UPGRADES ADDED IN THIS UPDATE BUT IT DOESNT SEEM LIKE IT ALL I SEE IS ROSTER CHANGES AND MOVES BUT NO OVERALL CHANGES..PASTA DID NOT NOT ADD THEM OR IS THERE NO OVERALL UPDATES?

  • dolfan87

    ONCE AGAIN NOT ONLY BECAUSE IM A DOLPHIN FAN BUT ANYBODY CAN SEE THIS AS WELL

    CHAD PENNINGTON- had another solid performance and its due an upgrade after the last 2 games he played he did not get one. Huge numbers agaisnt buffalo. Decent performance vs denver. ACCURACY. 85–87 I BELEIVE

    GREG CAMARILLO- He continues to be chads go to guy and he completely burst out in denver. HE has great hands and is a great route runner. The man is a 78 with 80 catching. should be an 80 with 83 cathcing.

    JOEY PORTER- It is constantly said you cant upgrade a guy bases on his one game performance because you wont know if hes gonig to be consistent. Well this man he has and is consistent. Had another sack which keeps his ovrl lead and is the most dominant lb in the league. I welcome anyone to prove me wrong. If Shawn merriman was healthy he couldnt even keep up. 92 after week 10 update 94 i beleive.

    ANTHONY FASANO. I Already said this man is underated and if he was in the cowboys he would sure be an 87 TE. He is chad go to guy as a te and makes great catches. Is faster and has better hands then he gets put in the game.

    YEREMIAH BELL- LIKE I SAID BEST PLAYER IN FINS SECONDARY- Had 3 forced fumbles and continues to make tackles in every play his way.

    (IDK IF THERE WERE ANY UPDATES UPGRADES ADDED IN THIS UPDATE BUT IT DOESNT SEEM LIKE IT ALL I SEE IS ROSTER CHANGES AND MOVES BUT NO OVERALL CHANGES..PASTA DID NOT NOT ADD THEM OR IS THERE NO OVERALL UPDATES?

  • Chris

    I Kno This Is Off Topic But Why When I Start The Game It Dosent Ask Me 2 Download The 2nd Patch? I Just Got The 1 Month Gold Card And Downloaded The New Rosters But I Dont Kno How 2 get The 2nd Patch. Please Help

  • Chris

    I Kno This Is Off Topic But Why When I Start The Game It Dosent Ask Me 2 Download The 2nd Patch? I Just Got The 1 Month Gold Card And Downloaded The New Rosters But I Dont Kno How 2 get The 2nd Patch. Please Help

  • Keith

    Could someone please post something as soon as the update is available? thanks!!!!

  • Keith

    Could someone please post something as soon as the update is available? thanks!!!!

  • Shane

    Just read that Edge is officially the backup RB for the Cardinals. There def should be a rating change for both Hightower and James.

  • Shane

    Just read that Edge is officially the backup RB for the Cardinals. There def should be a rating change for both Hightower and James.

  • smokez4Dayz

    gimmie a break with the bs dolphins. using my hand me down left over chad. jets fool, holla! camarillo? who? cotchery first. bell? lowery/smith/elam upgrade before bell. porter is a 92, u want 94, why? whats two points to bitxh about? go jets. leon washington is better than the whole dolphin team. jets fools

  • smokez4Dayz

    gimmie a break with the bs dolphins. using my hand me down left over chad. jets fool, holla! camarillo? who? cotchery first. bell? lowery/smith/elam upgrade before bell. porter is a 92, u want 94, why? whats two points to bitxh about? go jets. leon washington is better than the whole dolphin team. jets fools

  • Jackson

    [quote comment="44512"]gimmie a break with the bs dolphins. using my hand me down left over chad. jets fool, holla! camarillo? who? cotchery first. bell? lowery/smith/elam upgrade before bell. porter is a 92, u want 94, why? whats two points to bitxh about? go jets. leon washington is better than the whole dolphin team. jets fools[/quote]

    you sound like an idiot

  • Jackson

    [quote comment="44512"]gimmie a break with the bs dolphins. using my hand me down left over chad. jets fool, holla! camarillo? who? cotchery first. bell? lowery/smith/elam upgrade before bell. porter is a 92, u want 94, why? whats two points to bitxh about? go jets. leon washington is better than the whole dolphin team. jets fools[/quote]

    you sound like an idiot

  • BIGBLACKANVIL

    Still no love for the leagues leading rusher? CP !!!!

  • BIGBLACKANVIL

    Still no love for the leagues leading rusher? CP !!!!

  • Manny248

    is the update out yet…RAVENS

  • Manny248

    is the update out yet…RAVENS

  • Keith

    Is the update out yet? anyone know????????

  • Keith

    Is the update out yet? anyone know????????

  • Gaines Adams

    I feel like i been having a great season at the DE spot, 23 TCKL 4.0 SCK and 2 INT, show me some love

    Sincerly Gaines Adams from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

  • Gaines Adams

    I feel like i been having a great season at the DE spot, 23 TCKL 4.0 SCK and 2 INT, show me some love

    Sincerly Gaines Adams from the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

  • jokeer

    Wheres Portis people. top rusher in the NFL

    jerod Mayo from the Patriots wheres the LOVES from him. Mayo was named the NFL’s Defensive Rookie of the Month for October 2008. He led the Patriots with 24 tackles for the month, including 11 versus the Denver Broncos in his first Monday Night Football appearance.

    LT still 99?? isnt he number 7 in rushing

  • jokeer

    Wheres Portis people. top rusher in the NFL

    jerod Mayo from the Patriots wheres the LOVES from him. Mayo was named the NFL’s Defensive Rookie of the Month for October 2008. He led the Patriots with 24 tackles for the month, including 11 versus the Denver Broncos in his first Monday Night Football appearance.

    LT still 99?? isnt he number 7 in rushing

  • NFC is weak

    Update is out

  • NFC is weak

    Update is out

  • Keith

    NFC is weak THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Keith

    NFC is weak THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • dbroncos

    wen is update 11 coming out i mean r they gona do it for 2 wks

  • dbroncos

    wen is update 11 coming out i mean r they gona do it for 2 wks

  • ken

    LT should be a 99 i dont care if hes 7th best running back in the game plus he has the handicap of norv turner as his coach, he shouldnt lose points until hes in his 30s, as for the dolphins, beat the pats again and youll get an upgrade, can we get a downgrade to the cowboys please they are absolutely god awful horrible on defense, im not even talking about their offense, people score at will on dallas like they were the rams of something (seriously who lets the rams score a td muchless 2 or 3) the ofeense could use a downgrade to, although i would only downgrade the oline, to let you know how bad it is im a skins fan and i try to watch dallas games now because they are so bad i either get to see a sack or marion barber gobbled up in the backfield, good stuff

  • ken

    LT should be a 99 i dont care if hes 7th best running back in the game plus he has the handicap of norv turner as his coach, he shouldnt lose points until hes in his 30s, as for the dolphins, beat the pats again and youll get an upgrade, can we get a downgrade to the cowboys please they are absolutely god awful horrible on defense, im not even talking about their offense, people score at will on dallas like they were the rams of something (seriously who lets the rams score a td muchless 2 or 3) the ofeense could use a downgrade to, although i would only downgrade the oline, to let you know how bad it is im a skins fan and i try to watch dallas games now because they are so bad i either get to see a sack or marion barber gobbled up in the backfield, good stuff

  • sal

    horrible update
    kgb still hasnt been released fromd a packers kenny pettway hasnt been signed hes been with them for 3 weeks
    a bunch of otehr signings are missing

  • sal

    horrible update
    kgb still hasnt been released fromd a packers kenny pettway hasnt been signed hes been with them for 3 weeks
    a bunch of otehr signings are missing

  • jokeer

    LT should be a 99 i dont care if hes 7th best running back in the game plus he has the handicap of norv turner as his coach, he shouldnt lose points until hes in his 30s, as for the dolphins, beat the pats again and youll get an upgrade, can we get a downgrade to the cowboys please they are absolutely god awful horrible on defense, im not even talking about their offense, people score at will on dallas like they were the rams of something (seriously who lets the rams score a td muchless 2 or 3) the ofeense could use a downgrade to, although i would only downgrade the oline, to let you know how bad it is im a skins fan and i try to watch dallas games now because they are so bad i either get to see a sack or marion barber gobbled up in the backfield, good stuff

    wat do u mean u dont care if hes 7th in rushing and that he should be a 99

    LT hasnt done shit to where sportscenter or Espn has talked about him i watch Sports news 24/7 and Lt needs to go down to a 97 or 98

  • jokeer

    LT should be a 99 i dont care if hes 7th best running back in the game plus he has the handicap of norv turner as his coach, he shouldnt lose points until hes in his 30s, as for the dolphins, beat the pats again and youll get an upgrade, can we get a downgrade to the cowboys please they are absolutely god awful horrible on defense, im not even talking about their offense, people score at will on dallas like they were the rams of something (seriously who lets the rams score a td muchless 2 or 3) the ofeense could use a downgrade to, although i would only downgrade the oline, to let you know how bad it is im a skins fan and i try to watch dallas games now because they are so bad i either get to see a sack or marion barber gobbled up in the backfield, good stuff

    wat do u mean u dont care if hes 7th in rushing and that he should be a 99

    LT hasnt done shit to where sportscenter or Espn has talked about him i watch Sports news 24/7 and Lt needs to go down to a 97 or 98

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