The Wrap-Up: MLB 2K9

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Posted March 8th, 2009 at 9:29 am

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Heading into the release of MLB 2K9 there was a certain sense of optimism. Outside of one clearly identified problem everything pointed towards an improved offering, one that while maybe not great would be enough to satisfy baseball gaming fans on the 360. Unfortunately it didn’t take long to realize that not only did that not turn out to be the case, but it is far worse than anyone would’ve anticipated.

As I detailed in my initial impressions I have never witnessed so many flaws and glitches within such a short amount of time as I did with MLB 2K9. They weren’t anomalies either. The more I played the more I saw various repeating problems that totally ruined the experience.

Just to make things clear, MLB 2K9 is more of an arcade game than a sim game. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing except that the game is advertised as a pure simulation and being all about the realism of the sport. It tries to straddle the line between arcade and sim but ultimately the clear focus is to appeal to the casuals. It’s why the CPU doesn’t take any strikes, why they don’t throw many balls, why contact is made on nearly every swing, why home runs are so easy to hit, and why there are distracting giant visual indicators on-screen.

Last year I wouldn’t have called the controls gimmicky. I didn’t like them but there at least was some point to them. Now they have been transformed into gimmicks. I actually enjoy the swing stick some now that it has been simplified. Instead of being an unnecessary “process” it is about reaction and I appreciate that. It just doesn’t result in anything more than a simple button press does.

The pitching has been simplified which was a good idea to do. However again I don’t really see the point to it. It’s actually easier to be pinpoint accurate than ever before, though the huge ball cursor means you’re pitching more to an area than a spot. They probably should’ve kept the pitching the same as last year but just removed the meatball concept. The actual pitches have no sense of velocity as they are all very slow to the plate. This is especially noticeable with fastballs that have no sense of speed to them.

Graphically the game is very disappointing, it doesn’t match up well to any of the sports titles out there on the 360/PS3. The player faces are horrendous, elements such as the dust clouds are embarrassing, and the lighting is mediocre. This could be overlooked if there was quality gameplay.

The big problem that was spotted pre-release was the hyper-aggressiveness of the CPU at the plate. It is extremely rare to see the CPU take a strike. They might occasionally if it is right on the edge. Despite that I’d estimate over 90% of thrown strikes are swung at. This results in quicker games which would be a benefit if it didn’t also mean the games have no sense of authenticity or strategy.

Also 2K has for some reason removed exhibition mode as well as removed player editing options. No idea why these things were done but it is certainly understandable why people are frustrated about them having been taken out.

Now on to the glitches and atrocious AI. I haven’t played through a single game where I haven’t encountered at least one problem, and usually there are several. Below is a video showing examples from just two of the games I played. In the video you can see the CPU: 1) Blow a routine catch in the outfield 2) The 3B not react at all to a sharply hit ball 3) The OF makes some sort of unnecessary cut that results in misplaying the ball 4) The OF go normal speed then switch into slo-mo so that they don’t make the catch 5) Misplayed ball up the middle, confusion between the 2B and SS, and then another slo-mo situation which is beyond explanation.

The most frequent glitches being seen are the misplayed balls in the outfield, 1B not standing on the bag which allows for hits when they should’ve been outs, and the outfielders going into slow motion so they either can’t reach a ball in time to catch it or so they perform a more dramatic catch. Outfielders struggle to play balls off the wall. Also pickoffs are incredibly easy, actually to the point of being automatic at second base and pickles are completely broken.

I’ve also noticed that the CPU seems to replace their pitchers too early in games. This especially makes no sense considering the low pitch counts. I’ve seen them pull pitchers in the 5th inning who are throwing shutouts for pinch hitters. Not good CPU management.

The framerate is definitely not the consistent 60fps that 2K had assured us it would be. There is slow-down usually right after a ball is put into play or when there is a great deal of action going on. These same situations are magnified online. It usually hasn’t affected the outcome of the plays but it is annoying. The framerate is better than last year but claiming it is a consistent 60fps simply isn’t true.

In theory the new base running system sounds good. But base stealing is absolutely terrible as it’s almost impossible to steal. I like the leading off using the trigger and holding in until it vibrates for a steal. However I’ve yet to steal a base successfully. I either get picked off, caught in a broken pickle, or thrown out by a mile.

The thing that has always irked me the most is when companies make promises or advertise features that don’t work either at all or as advertised. That has happened here with MLB 2K9. Look on the back of the game box. “Inside Edge produces remarkably accurate player tendencies”. I’ve noticed no tendencies other than the one of every batter swinging at practically every strike. On the 2K website you can find the claim “experience a World Series celebration in true championship style” which is something the producers also talked up. The actual celebration, if you want to call it that, is laughable.

In general the flow of the games are good. The commentary is impressively fluid and the real-time presentation keeps things moving along. That is probably the biggest improvement and best achievement for 2K9. The new commentary gives a very fresh feel. It is the first year though and it takes time to build a good commentary library. So there is a lot of repetition and inaccuracies made.

The post-game highlights are also great. Not only is there the end recap which shows highlights but after that you can choose from the Clutch Performer, Top 3 Plays (reminiscent of SportsCenter) and Signature Highlights for each player. The presentation of the highlights is very slick.

Initially I was a big fan of the real-time game presentation. I felt it slowed the pace a little bit and that made the flow feel more like a real baseball game. However the more I’ve played the less I care for it. The awkward player movements are just too much to ignore. I’m also finding myself wanting to skip through things and having to mash the A button several times just to get to the next pitch which is frustrating. Add into that how the stat overlays are inaccurate and at times the information being displayed is pretty amusing to see.

You do get advantages for installing the game to the 360 hard drive. Make sure to check out my analysis here if you haven’t already.

I was very pleased with the online play performance and the addition of the Home Run Derby. Unfortunately the same problems you see offline with 2K9 are present online and the Derby is so incredibly easy that there is no reason it even currently exists. You can read the most extensive analysis of online play available for MLB 2K9 here.

I am disappointed that no where in any pre-release coverage was the severity of the startlingly prominent issues mentioned. 2K embargoed all reviews until after release and now it is obvious they were trying to cover up what they knew was coming.

The first sign of trouble was finding out that 2K had changed stadiums to accommodate more advertising. The ironic thing was later hearing that 2K’s stated goal this year was for “authenticity”. If they were willing sacrifice the integrity of the game to provide additional advertising space in stadiums then why would we believe they were going to treat other areas of the game with the proper respect?

I am still startled at just how sloppy the game turned out and how much 2K has continued to mislead consumers. It is interesting to now see various media sites really hitting them hard with the reviews and even going as far as to call for MLB to strip the license. It’s a shame that Microsoft isn’t working of their own MLB title considering how much prestige The Show is bringing to the PS3.

The Wrap-Up

For several years now sub-par MLB 2K releases have been explained off as having laid the foundation to build from for the future. I actually bought into that to an extent until now. This series will never reach the standards consumers expect and deserve unless it goes through a complete reboot in the mold of Triple Play to MVP.  Unfortunately for us I don’t think that 2K has the desire, resources, or time to invest in doing that.

  • Lucky Lou

    this might be the worst sports game ive ever played. 2k can go to hell.

  • Lucky Lou

    this might be the worst sports game ive ever played. 2k can go to hell.

  • pat oak

    with games like this is see why we are in a recession!!!

  • MinukeGigs

    Harsh!

  • MinukeGigs

    Harsh!

  • pat oak

    with games like this is see why we are in a recession!!!

  • PsychoBulk

    Honest and well written article Pasta, and frankly i cant disagree with any of it.

    A shocking effort from 2K really, and they would deserve nothing less than MLB stripping them of the license.

    • holy moly donut shop

      very true, this game is a joke, i mean look at the players gloves, it makes me laugh everytime i see them

      • Ryan

        also if you play 3 franchise years 70% of the stars in baseball are free agents

  • pat oak

    with crap like this is see why we are in a recesion!!!!

  • PsychoBulk

    Honest and well written article Pasta, and frankly i cant disagree with any of it.

    A shocking effort from 2K really, and they would deserve nothing less than MLB stripping them of the license.

    • holy moly donut shop

      very true, this game is a joke, i mean look at the players gloves, it makes me laugh everytime i see them

      • Ryan

        also if you play 3 franchise years 70% of the stars in baseball are free agents

  • pat oak

    with crap like this is see why we are in a recesion!!!!

  • Eddd

    I wonder if Microsoft is as concerned as MLB should be about 2K's efforts. I for one have purchased a PS3 and no longer play on the Xbox in my house. Being pretty much a sports gamer the only reason an Xbox is still in my house is because of my teenager who plays first person shooters. The Xbox is a really successful machine in the US and unlike a poor soccer or hockey game it would seem to me that if I was Microsoft I too would be pressuring MLB to break the exclusive deal given that 670,000 people bought the game on the Xbox and for some percentage of that number who are simply sports gamers trading the console is probably not too bad an idea since 2K seems to be hopeless when it comes to this game. Not to mention the fact that this is the number three sports game world wide on the 360.

  • Eddd

    I wonder if Microsoft is as concerned as MLB should be about 2K's efforts. I for one have purchased a PS3 and no longer play on the Xbox in my house. Being pretty much a sports gamer the only reason an Xbox is still in my house is because of my teenager who plays first person shooters. The Xbox is a really successful machine in the US and unlike a poor soccer or hockey game it would seem to me that if I was Microsoft I too would be pressuring MLB to break the exclusive deal given that 670,000 people bought the game on the Xbox and for some percentage of that number who are simply sports gamers trading the console is probably not too bad an idea since 2K seems to be hopeless when it comes to this game. Not to mention the fact that this is the number three sports game world wide on the 360.

  • Joe

    Aside from everything you said mlb 2k9 is a great game

    • capp34

      ''Aside from everything you said mlb 2k9 is a great game''

      Im sorry its impossible to be a great game with all those issues.

      • http://www.gamestooge.com/ Jonah Falcon

        I don't think you got the joke in that statement. Think for a moment.

  • Joe

    Aside from everything you said mlb 2k9 is a great game

    • capp34

      ''Aside from everything you said mlb 2k9 is a great game''

      Im sorry its impossible to be a great game with all those issues.

      • http://www.gamestooge.com Jonah Falcon

        I don't think you got the joke in that statement. Think for a moment.

  • C Squared

    I really hope the MLB looks into that. I'm still wondering what MVP would have been on next-gen (now current-gen) consoles.

  • C Squared

    I really hope the MLB looks into that. I'm still wondering what MVP would have been on next-gen (now current-gen) consoles.

  • Black59Razr

    I played 1 inning of the demo, and that was it for me.

    -I had 4 at bats. I swung the bat 4 times. I got 2 singles and 2 doubles. On the 2 singles, I got caught in a rundown and was hung out to dry. Both times, they just threw the ball to 2B and let me go back to 1st.

  • Black59Razr

    I played 1 inning of the demo, and that was it for me.

    -I had 4 at bats. I swung the bat 4 times. I got 2 singles and 2 doubles. On the 2 singles, I got caught in a rundown and was hung out to dry. Both times, they just threw the ball to 2B and let me go back to 1st.

  • http://www.gamestooge.com/ Jonah Falcon

    Microsoft isn't going to make a first party baseball game because they have a "relationship" with 2K and Rockstar.

  • http://www.gamestooge.com Jonah Falcon

    Microsoft isn't going to make a first party baseball game because they have a "relationship" with 2K and Rockstar.

  • http://www.gamestooge.com/ Jonah Falcon

    (PS. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT OWNS THE HIGH HEAT LICENSE!)

  • http://www.gamestooge.com Jonah Falcon

    (PS. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT OWNS THE HIGH HEAT LICENSE!)

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamitSarkar Samit Sarkar

    Great write-up, man — way to tell it like it is as always. It's such a shame that 2K Sports puts out a lackluster game year after year; as I said in a comment on another post, I just feel bad for people who don't own a PS3, PS2, or PSP, since they're stuck with the 2K series.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/SamitSarkar Samit Sarkar

    Great write-up, man — way to tell it like it is as always. It's such a shame that 2K Sports puts out a lackluster game year after year; as I said in a comment on another post, I just feel bad for people who don't own a PS3, PS2, or PSP, since they're stuck with the 2K series.

  • Bobbo

    You better write a whole new article once a patch comes out and fixes the majority of the issues.

    • dritsch

      Hahaha yaaa bud theres really going to be some magical patch that turns this horrific dogshit game into a brand new one worthy of a complete new write up.

  • Bobbo

    You better write a whole new article once a patch comes out and fixes the majority of the issues.

    • dritsch

      Hahaha yaaa bud theres really going to be some magical patch that turns this horrific dogshit game into a brand new one worthy of a complete new write up.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ferris ferris

    i do see most of these issues but i still love 2k9…even as a sim

    • Ryan

      your an idiot in my 2nd franchise year a 19 year old rookie was the mvp. He was a 63 overall

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/ferris ferris

    i do see most of these issues but i still love 2k9…even as a sim

    • Ryan

      your an idiot in my 2nd franchise year a 19 year old rookie was the mvp. He was a 63 overall

  • Jamin

    Pasta, you forgot to mention the horrible annoying organ music that plays throughout the whole freaken game. It sounds like i'm at the circus. I was looking forward to buying this game but it looks like it will be the first year without a baseball game unless I can get a PS3 and play a real baseball game. The license is up in 2012 I can't wait.

  • Jamin

    Pasta, you forgot to mention the horrible annoying organ music that plays throughout the whole freaken game. It sounds like i'm at the circus. I was looking forward to buying this game but it looks like it will be the first year without a baseball game unless I can get a PS3 and play a real baseball game. The license is up in 2012 I can't wait.

  • Thomas A. Anderson

    Amazing that Visual Concepts could make such a beautiful representation of Basketball and yet KNOWINGLY turn out this garbage. I understand it's their first year trying to do baseball, but from what Pasta said, they knew their product was crap and tried to sneak it past consumers.

    MLB really needs to drop the whole exclusivity thing and give EA another crack at baseball. A new version of MVP baseball won't be initially as good as MVP 2005, but there is no way they would turn out something that bad.

    • http://www.gamestooge.com/ Jonah Falcon

      The guy who ruined MLB 2K was Ben Brinkman, who did MVP. MVP was pretty awful – I don't know why people romanticize it.

      The fact is that Microsoft can make an MLB baseball game if they wanted to, and own the High Heat license.

  • Thomas A. Anderson

    Amazing that Visual Concepts could make such a beautiful representation of Basketball and yet KNOWINGLY turn out this garbage. I understand it's their first year trying to do baseball, but from what Pasta said, they knew their product was crap and tried to sneak it past consumers.

    MLB really needs to drop the whole exclusivity thing and give EA another crack at baseball. A new version of MVP baseball won't be initially as good as MVP 2005, but there is no way they would turn out something that bad.

    • http://www.gamestooge.com Jonah Falcon

      The guy who ruined MLB 2K was Ben Brinkman, who did MVP. MVP was pretty awful – I don't know why people romanticize it.

      The fact is that Microsoft can make an MLB baseball game if they wanted to, and own the High Heat license.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Skihawks Skihawks

    How can a guy ruin something that was never really that good? 2K wasn't great on previous consoles.

    MVP had many elements that made the game fun. The hitting was outstanding and the pitching set the standard for this generation. Not to mention the creative mini-games. The pitching mini-game where you had to hit certain zones to gain points was creative and addictive.

    It is sad that this series has flopped. MLB 2K7 was a great game although it had some annoyances (the ole moon and blimp pre-game shots accompanied by that brutal music — oyyy)….But the game played well and the visuals were nice.

    • Ryan

      2k5 was actually a very entertaining game also

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Skihawks Skihawks

    How can a guy ruin something that was never really that good? 2K wasn't great on previous consoles.

    MVP had many elements that made the game fun. The hitting was outstanding and the pitching set the standard for this generation. Not to mention the creative mini-games. The pitching mini-game where you had to hit certain zones to gain points was creative and addictive.

    It is sad that this series has flopped. MLB 2K7 was a great game although it had some annoyances (the ole moon and blimp pre-game shots accompanied by that brutal music — oyyy)….But the game played well and the visuals were nice.

    • Ryan

      2k5 was actually a very entertaining game also

  • 2k sucks

    Nice Skinny Manny with white arm bands 2k..

  • 2k sucks

    Nice Skinny Manny with white arm bands 2k..

  • adam

    omg that 1st video is awesome. Hilarious

  • adam

    omg that 1st video is awesome. Hilarious

  • http://www.gamestooge.com/ Jonah Falcon

    Oh, it would be very easy to patch MLB 2K9.All of the issues are either straight bugs or bad slider AI.

    The problem is that VC is probably working on MLB 2K10 – so everyone who bought MLB 2K9 is playing a beta version of 2K10 that they paid $60 to QA for them.

  • http://www.gamestooge.com Jonah Falcon

    Oh, it would be very easy to patch MLB 2K9.All of the issues are either straight bugs or bad slider AI.

    The problem is that VC is probably working on MLB 2K10 – so everyone who bought MLB 2K9 is playing a beta version of 2K10 that they paid $60 to QA for them.

  • Yuck

    This game is crap, and has been for years now. Give it up 2K, and for the love of god gamers, stop buying this garbage, so they can stop making it.

  • Yuck

    This game is crap, and has been for years now. Give it up 2K, and for the love of god gamers, stop buying this garbage, so they can stop making it.

  • shenmuezero

    you guy do realize that 2k9 is also one the ps3.

  • shenmuezero

    you guy do realize that 2k9 is also one the ps3.

  • shenmuezero

    meant on.

    • crashbowman

      The reason people refer to 2k9 and the 360 all the time is because people on PS3 have options and almost always choose The Show.

  • shenmuezero

    meant on.

    • crashbowman

      The reason people refer to 2k9 and the 360 all the time is because people on PS3 have options and almost always choose The Show.

  • 2ksucks

    this is why i hate wen kids complain bout 2k5 football they would be lazy with football as well 2ks games suck

  • 2ksucks

    this is why i hate wen kids complain bout 2k5 football they would be lazy with football as well 2ks games suck

  • BamaDawg

    This year isn't even 3 months old and 2k has already released 2 of the worst sports games this year (maybe ever). What are these people still doing with the MLB license? Either do it right or give it up to someone who will.

    • aaron

      they dont care. theyll just keep releasing shit and hope that the 2k fanboys will keep eating it up and defending them. i think finally most of those people though are realizing the company sucks and doesnt care at all about them

  • BamaDawg

    This year isn't even 3 months old and 2k has already released 2 of the worst sports games this year (maybe ever). What are these people still doing with the MLB license? Either do it right or give it up to someone who will.

    • aaron

      they dont care. theyll just keep releasing shit and hope that the 2k fanboys will keep eating it up and defending them. i think finally most of those people though are realizing the company sucks and doesnt care at all about them

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