Comments on: 2009 Madden Mock Draft 19-21 http://www.pastapadre.com/2009/04/17/2009-madden-mock-draft-19-21 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:58:00 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: okafor43 http://www.pastapadre.com/2009/04/17/2009-madden-mock-draft-19-21/comment-page-1#comment-60948 okafor43 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 09:48:49 +0000 http://www.pastapadre.com/?p=7822#comment-60948 You tried to say that Josh Johnson had better stats in college. True but he played at San Diego he did not FACE THE BIG 12 TYPE OF COMPETITION. All those defense rankings mean Nothing cause the big 12 HAS 5 TEAMS IN THE TOP 25. THATS ALMOST HALF OF THE CONFRENCE! And 2 in the top 5! Yes Pat white has a strong arm but he probably will be a WR or RB in NFL! You should read the rest of his combine report. He has a hitch in his throwing and doesnt read the defense well he is 6'0 and doesnt go through progressions do you want me to keep going....???? He is a better athlete desereves a chance to play qb but will likely be a wr or rb. Does this guy not scream Eric Crouch! And I think Freeman has a cannon arm also so he can throw! But will he be a star in the nfl I dont know. To be determined. But at the end of the day he will go higher than Pat White unless somebody gambles on white for another position than qb! You tried to say that Josh Johnson had better stats in college. True but he played at San Diego he did not FACE THE BIG 12 TYPE OF COMPETITION. All those defense rankings mean Nothing cause the big 12 HAS 5 TEAMS IN THE TOP 25. THATS ALMOST HALF OF THE CONFRENCE! And 2 in the top 5! Yes Pat white has a strong arm but he probably will be a WR or RB in NFL! You should read the rest of his combine report. He has a hitch in his throwing and doesnt read the defense well he is 6'0 and doesnt go through progressions do you want me to keep going….???? He is a better athlete desereves a chance to play qb but will likely be a wr or rb. Does this guy not scream Eric Crouch! And I think Freeman has a cannon arm also so he can throw! But will he be a star in the nfl I dont know. To be determined. But at the end of the day he will go higher than Pat White unless somebody gambles on white for another position than qb!

]]> By: Jonathon http://www.pastapadre.com/2009/04/17/2009-madden-mock-draft-19-21/comment-page-1#comment-60942 Jonathon Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:26:10 +0000 http://www.pastapadre.com/?p=7822#comment-60942 here's what i DO know...i could care less who is playing on their defense...one stud doesn't make the other 10 guys suddenly one of the best defenses in the country...this is how quality the BIG XII's pass defense is: Texas Tech 92nd...Texas 107th...Oklahoma 112th...Kansas 113th...Missouri 119th...out of 120 teams in Division I football, clearly that's not very good...and those are just the teams you mentioned as not being pushovers...Colorado is the only team in the Big XII who's defense finished ranked above 91st in the country...so i fail to see any QUALITY on the defensive side of the ball in the Big XII...though i will be fair and point out that Texas led the country by far with 47 sacks...unfortunately if they couldn't get to the quarterback, they were in trouble as they had the 3rd fewest INTs in the country with SIX... and i said that the days of athletic QBs are done UNLESS THE QB CAN ALSO THROW THE BALL EFFECTIVELY...perhaps you haven't seen the zip on Pat White's throws as of late...or you missed the fact that he was the MOST impressive QB throwing the football at the combine...so that is not a contradiction because clearly i think he can throw the ball, not just run... here's what i DO know…i could care less who is playing on their defense…one stud doesn't make the other 10 guys suddenly one of the best defenses in the country…this is how quality the BIG XII's pass defense is: Texas Tech 92nd…Texas 107th…Oklahoma 112th…Kansas 113th…Missouri 119th…out of 120 teams in Division I football, clearly that's not very good…and those are just the teams you mentioned as not being pushovers…Colorado is the only team in the Big XII who's defense finished ranked above 91st in the country…so i fail to see any QUALITY on the defensive side of the ball in the Big XII…though i will be fair and point out that Texas led the country by far with 47 sacks…unfortunately if they couldn't get to the quarterback, they were in trouble as they had the 3rd fewest INTs in the country with SIX…

and i said that the days of athletic QBs are done UNLESS THE QB CAN ALSO THROW THE BALL EFFECTIVELY…perhaps you haven't seen the zip on Pat White's throws as of late…or you missed the fact that he was the MOST impressive QB throwing the football at the combine…so that is not a contradiction because clearly i think he can throw the ball, not just run…

]]> By: okafor43 http://www.pastapadre.com/2009/04/17/2009-madden-mock-draft-19-21/comment-page-1#comment-60941 okafor43 Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:03:40 +0000 http://www.pastapadre.com/?p=7822#comment-60941 Maybe you dont know MUCH about the big 12...I didnt rave about the defense i raved about the quality of play in the league. Last time I checked TEXAS,OKLAHOMA,MISSOURI,KANSAS,TEXS TECH are no push overs and speaking about there defense dont they have one of the top lb's in this years darft Brian Orakpo? You contradict your self here. You say days of athletic qb's are over but yet you rant about Pat White, who is a running qb and is only around 6'0-6'1. If Freeman had any talent around him he probably wouldnt have to run for dear life all of the time. Now I didnt say if he will or not be a success on the nfl level he is obviously a project that who ever takes him will need time to develop but he has more potential in terms of size and arm strength than Pat White and Nate Davis. And those nfl teams actually listen to Mel Kiper. Maybe you dont know MUCH about the big 12…I didnt rave about the defense i raved about the quality of play in the league. Last time I checked TEXAS,OKLAHOMA,MISSOURI,KANSAS,TEXS TECH are no push overs and speaking about there defense dont they have one of the top lb's in this years darft Brian Orakpo? You contradict your self here. You say days of athletic qb's are over but yet you rant about Pat White, who is a running qb and is only around 6'0-6'1. If Freeman had any talent around him he probably wouldnt have to run for dear life all of the time. Now I didnt say if he will or not be a success on the nfl level he is obviously a project that who ever takes him will need time to develop but he has more potential in terms of size and arm strength than Pat White and Nate Davis. And those nfl teams actually listen to Mel Kiper.

]]> By: Jonathon http://www.pastapadre.com/2009/04/17/2009-madden-mock-draft-19-21/comment-page-1#comment-60939 Jonathon Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:37:15 +0000 http://www.pastapadre.com/?p=7822#comment-60939 maybe you don't know much about the Big XII...but it isn't exactly known for being a DEFENSIVE league...yeah, he pulled out some upsets over some overrated Texas squads...while Freeman may be one hell of an athlete...hoping that he can develop into an NFL quarterback is simple a pipe dream...the days of the athletic qb are done unless that qb can also throw the ball effectively...just my thought...the draft is a nutty thing at times...due to a lack of qb prospects a mediocre college qb can go in the 1st round these days...Freeman is a project player at best...Pat White had awesome numbers and an awesome college career...but he is going to be surpassed by this bum...and poor Nate Davis...i know he had a rough end of the season...but i would have to believe that this guy is still a superior prospect to Freeman...i think that the thing that irks me so much about Freeman is that his 1st round placement is more of a product of the Mel Kipers and the mock drafts than anything else... maybe you don't know much about the Big XII…but it isn't exactly known for being a DEFENSIVE league…yeah, he pulled out some upsets over some overrated Texas squads…while Freeman may be one hell of an athlete…hoping that he can develop into an NFL quarterback is simple a pipe dream…the days of the athletic qb are done unless that qb can also throw the ball effectively…just my thought…the draft is a nutty thing at times…due to a lack of qb prospects a mediocre college qb can go in the 1st round these days…Freeman is a project player at best…Pat White had awesome numbers and an awesome college career…but he is going to be surpassed by this bum…and poor Nate Davis…i know he had a rough end of the season…but i would have to believe that this guy is still a superior prospect to Freeman…i think that the thing that irks me so much about Freeman is that his 1st round placement is more of a product of the Mel Kipers and the mock drafts than anything else…

]]> By: jj302401 http://www.pastapadre.com/2009/04/17/2009-madden-mock-draft-19-21/comment-page-1#comment-60877 jj302401 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:35:28 +0000 http://www.pastapadre.com/?p=7822#comment-60877 its a good pick for madden, even if it isnt for the real life bucs its a good pick for madden, even if it isnt for the real life bucs

]]> By: okafor43 http://www.pastapadre.com/2009/04/17/2009-madden-mock-draft-19-21/comment-page-1#comment-60874 okafor43 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:36:46 +0000 http://www.pastapadre.com/?p=7822#comment-60874 Kind of impressive for him to know all that cap numbers unles he got it off a website or something Kind of impressive for him to know all that cap numbers unles he got it off a website or something

]]> By: okafor43 http://www.pastapadre.com/2009/04/17/2009-madden-mock-draft-19-21/comment-page-1#comment-60873 okafor43 Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:36:07 +0000 http://www.pastapadre.com/?p=7822#comment-60873 Agreed here also. Unfortunately there wont be a Sanders in the back field for Stafford. O lines are always safe picks to me. Other than Tony Mandarich if they are total busts they wont be ridiculed so much. Agreed here also. Unfortunately there wont be a Sanders in the back field for Stafford. O lines are always safe picks to me. Other than Tony Mandarich if they are total busts they wont be ridiculed so much.

]]> By: Skihawks http://www.pastapadre.com/2009/04/17/2009-madden-mock-draft-19-21/comment-page-1#comment-60872 Skihawks Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:59:47 +0000 http://www.pastapadre.com/?p=7822#comment-60872 Good point. I agree they need a QB but it doesn't do any good to draft one if they cannot protect him. Hopefully, the new front office leadership will make some good decisions. If they take Stafford, it is not a horrible pick but it is easier to develop offensive lineman than a QB....Erik Kramer, who wasn't a super flashy QB, was one of Detroit's best QB's in the past 20 years because he had time to throw the ball (and having Barry Sanders didn't hurt)... Good point. I agree they need a QB but it doesn't do any good to draft one if they cannot protect him.

Hopefully, the new front office leadership will make some good decisions. If they take Stafford, it is not a horrible pick but it is easier to develop offensive lineman than a QB….Erik Kramer, who wasn't a super flashy QB, was one of Detroit's best QB's in the past 20 years because he had time to throw the ball (and having Barry Sanders didn't hurt)…

]]> By: Skihawks http://www.pastapadre.com/2009/04/17/2009-madden-mock-draft-19-21/comment-page-1#comment-60871 Skihawks Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:57:28 +0000 http://www.pastapadre.com/?p=7822#comment-60871 Are you Mel Keiper in disguise? Are you Mel Keiper in disguise?

]]> By: Skihawks http://www.pastapadre.com/2009/04/17/2009-madden-mock-draft-19-21/comment-page-1#comment-60870 Skihawks Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:57:11 +0000 http://www.pastapadre.com/?p=7822#comment-60870 Are you Mel Kyper in disguise? Are you Mel Kyper in disguise?

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