Michael Crabtree Remains Unsigned

by pastapadre
Posted September 5th, 2009 at 1:50 pm

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With the deadline today for teams to cut down to their final 53 man rosters there remains only one draft pick left unsigned. The #10 draft pick WR Michael Crabtree has made no progress in his stand of demanding bigger numbers than his draft slot would represent. The 49ers don’t appear willing to give in and Crabtree has indicated he will sit out the season and re-enter the draft next year.

That brings up an interesting question regarding Madden 10 and probably the reasoning behind not being able to get a clear answer from anyone on what will happen with him. Crabtree is in the game but has not actually signed a contract. His rights are held by the 49ers but does that make it permissible to use his likeness in the game as he would not be a member of the NFL Players Association? Considering how rare something like this is maybe it has just never been a concern for EA or the NFL. The league continues to sell his jerseys so maybe his likeness is included regardless. Rookies are put into the game no matter their contract status so it may be that a players likeness is held by the NFL as soon as they are drafted. Whether they be included on the roster though is a decision that EA makes.

As to ratings if Crabtree does finally sign at some point expect him to drop from the 84 he entered the game with. Missing training camp and the preseason would make it very difficult to acclimate him in the offensive system. He would get less opportunity to be on the field and in turn would make much less impact than most people had anticipated. His image has certainly taken a hit over the last few months. This would not be without precedence as JaMarcus Russell dropped in ratings after his extended holdout. I’d look for an adjustment into the mid 70s should he sign.

What is likely to happen will be the removal of Crabtree in the next roster update which is expected to be out this week. Given that the 49ers will have their official 53 man roster and he will not be a part of the team that would be the only thing to make sense. EA may avoid any comment on it however so as not to draw any unnecessary attention to the situation.

Update: Crabtree may be staying on the roster for the time being but dropped to the bottom of the depth chart. Apparently his rights are officially held regardless of contract status. Personally given the game’s roster limitations I don’t feel he should be taking the spot of someone who is actually on the team. Of course anyone who has a current franchise in progress would not lose him from that, but if he remains on the depth chart people would just move him right back up.

Should Michael Crabtree be removed in the roster update?(polling)

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auau

At the end of the day the nfl still owns his rights to sell his jersey etc the 49ers just dont own his contarct as a player
http://www.facebook.com/will.radie Will Radie

Ha, Ian Cummings just tweeted back to Pasta about this… Love this modern age of ours.
auau

At the end of the day the nfl still owns his rights to sell his jersey etc the 49ers just dont own his contarct as a player
http://www.facebook.com/will.radie Will Radie

Ha, Ian Cummings just tweeted back to Pasta about this… Love this modern age of ours.
http://www.facebook.com/will.radie Will Radie

That went from posting on the site a theory, to having it answered by a Dev in a matter of about 12 seconds… LOVE IT!
http://www.facebook.com/will.radie Will Radie

That went from posting on the site a theory, to having it answered by a Dev in a matter of about 12 seconds… LOVE IT!
http://intensedebate.com/people/pastapadre pastapadre

LOL I know…I couldn't get an answer on this issue until now. Its a good discussion regardless as to whether he should be there or not.
http://intensedebate.com/people/pastapadre pastapadre

LOL I know…I couldn't get an answer on this issue until now. Its a good discussion regardless as to whether he should be there or not.
sdot

mike who ????
sdot

mike who ????
http://intensedebate.com/people/pastapadre pastapadre

Added a poll along with the update.
http://intensedebate.com/people/pastapadre pastapadre

Added a poll along with the update.
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http://www.facebook.com/will.radie Will Radie

I just dont see why you couldnt just add him to the team in a later roster date.

This is why Madden needs a NON AVAILABLE FREE AGENT LIST.

It would be a list of players like that or retired players so that those guys dont find themselves on other teams in Franchises.

Either that or finally give each team a Scout team… just a simple list where players can be on a teams roster but not count towards their real limited roster… would keep things much more organized.
http://www.facebook.com/will.radie Will Radie

I just dont see why you couldnt just add him to the team in a later roster date.

This is why Madden needs a NON AVAILABLE FREE AGENT LIST.

It would be a list of players like that or retired players so that those guys dont find themselves on other teams in Franchises.

Either that or finally give each team a Scout team… just a simple list where players can be on a teams roster but not count towards their real limited roster… would keep things much more organized.
Josh

Believe it or not being in a video game gives these NFL players publicity. Crabtree should not be able to benefit from that until he gets his ass in camp! Maybe Al Davis & the Raiders knew something we didn't know afterall about Crabtree! No wonder they passed on him!
Josh

Believe it or not being in a video game gives these NFL players publicity. Crabtree should not be able to benefit from that until he gets his ass in camp! Maybe Al Davis & the Raiders knew something we didn't know afterall about Crabtree! No wonder they passed on him!
fpacheco

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fpacheco

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FPACHECO

They didn't remove JaMarcus Russel back then, did they?

http://intensedebate.com/people/pastapadre pastapadre

His holdout lasted through only the preseason, I dont remember the pattern of roster updates in Madden 08 but I don't think it ever became an issue since he signed. Crabtree doesnt look like that is going to happen any time soon if at all.

FPACHECO

They didn't remove JaMarcus Russel back then, did they?

http://intensedebate.com/people/pastapadre pastapadre

His holdout lasted through only the preseason, I dont remember the pattern of roster updates in Madden 08 but I don't think it ever became an issue since he signed. Crabtree doesnt look like that is going to happen any time soon if at all.

gorilla monsoon

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gorilla monsoon

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Gmoney

The only guy to ever do what Crabtree is threating to do is Kelly Stoffer, the 7th pick in the 1987 draft. He actually sat out until he was traded on the eve of the following years draft. He was traded from the St. Louis Cardinals to the Seattle Seahawks. If I was the 49ers, Id call his bluff. I have a feeling this will be done by week 8. If he signs after week 8, we wont get credit for a year of service.

Pasta how is he taking up a roster spot? EA never fills out the roster fully anyways. There is always at least one open spot per team.

Deneweth

Actually, Bo Jackson did this same exact thing to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the 1986 draft. Jackson refused to sign with the Bucs because the owner at the time Hugh Culverhouse, was a rascist and cheap. If Jackson signed, the Bucs would have had Steve Young and Bo Jackson has the corner-stones of the franchise. Many also say that Hugh Culverhouse also ran the only black QB to ever win a Super Bowl in Doug Williams out of town due to his color.
Deneweth

Actually, Bo Jackson did this same exact thing to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the 1986 draft. Jackson refused to sign because the owner at the time Hugh Culverhouse, was a racist and wouldn't pay Jackson the money he was worth. Hugh Culverhouse did a similar deal with Doug Williams by refusing to pay him "starter" money and Williams later went on to win the Super Bowl and become the first and only black QB to do so. Just think, the Bucs could have had Steve Young and Bo Jackson as the corner-stones on their franchice at one point, if Hugh Culverhouse wasn't such a racist, cheap asshole .

Gmoney

The only guy to ever do what Crabtree is threating to do is Kelly Stoffer, the 7th pick in the 1987 draft. He actually sat out until he was traded on the eve of the following years draft. He was traded from the St. Louis Cardinals to the Seattle Seahawks. If I was the 49ers, Id call his bluff. I have a feeling this will be done by week 8. If he signs after week 8, we wont get credit for a year of service.

Pasta how is he taking up a roster spot? EA never fills out the roster fully anyways. There is always at least one open spot per team.

Deneweth

Actually, Bo Jackson did this same exact thing to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the 1986 draft. Jackson refused to sign with the Bucs because the owner at the time Hugh Culverhouse, was a rascist and cheap. If Jackson signed, the Bucs would have had Steve Young and Bo Jackson has the corner-stones of the franchise. Many also say that Hugh Culverhouse also ran the only black QB to ever win a Super Bowl in Doug Williams out of town due to his color.
Deneweth

Actually, Bo Jackson did this same exact thing to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the 1986 draft. Jackson refused to sign because the owner at the time Hugh Culverhouse, was a racist and wouldn't pay Jackson the money he was worth. Hugh Culverhouse did a similar deal with Doug Williams by refusing to pay him "starter" money and Williams later went on to win the Super Bowl and become the first and only black QB to do so. Just think, the Bucs could have had Steve Young and Bo Jackson as the corner-stones on their franchice at one point, if Hugh Culverhouse wasn't such a racist, cheap asshole .

http://intensedebate.com/people/cdub326 cdub326

Crabtree needs out of the game until he signs. I side with Pasta here, his spot should not be occupying one's who is actually on the roster.

http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

So you think that people are dying to play with Arnaz Battle instead of Michael Crabtree?

I don't think so

http://intensedebate.com/people/cdub326 cdub326

Crabtree needs out of the game until he signs. I side with Pasta here, his spot should not be occupying one's who is actually on the roster.

http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

So you think that people are dying to play with Arnaz Battle instead of Michael Crabtree?

I don't think so

http://intensedebate.com/people/darkheath darkheath

what. a. moron.

wouldn't want this dickbag on my team.

http://intensedebate.com/people/Sidewinder Sidewinder

Perhaps Al Davis is smarter than we think….well, maybe not but the Raiders are lucky they went with Bey. I know the Raiders would have had to pay him more money and this might not have happened to them but it's not good to have a guy like this in the first place.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Sidewinder Sidewinder

Perhaps Al Davis is smarter than we think….well….maybe not, but the Raiders are lucky they went with Bey. I know the Raiders would have had to pay him more money and this might not have happened to them but it's not good to have a guy like this in the first place.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Sidewinder Sidewinder

Perhaps Al Davis is smarter than we think….well….maybe not, but the Raiders are lucky they went with Bey. I know they would have had to pay him more money and this might not have happened to them but it's not good to have a guy like this in the first place.
http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I agree with you. Taking off a full year as a wide receiver will absolutely destroy his career. That is a very technical position based on timing, hands and confidence. It normally takes wide receivers 2-3 years to learn the position without taking a year off. A perfect example is Mike Williams who took off a full year and never regained his form. Crabtree is not even in the same ballpark talent wise as Mike Williams so his ability to adjust is even greater. In college most receivers are allowed to run freely but in the pro game he will have a corner who will jam him at the LOS to impede his progress. Just by watching a WR's hands at the LOS you can tell who will be successful i.e Desean Jackson and who won't i.e. Freddie Mitchell.

Also when you add that next year may be uncapped or without an collective agreement and you have just setup a perfect scenario to fail. An uncapped year isn't a good thing because there are a ton of restrictions placed on both teams and players. If they do lockout then he will have a full 2 seasons without football or an actual NFL PAYCHECK. Whoever his advisers are they are doing him a huge disservice
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I agree with you. Taking off a full year as a wide receiver will absolutely destroy his career. That is a very technical position based on timing, hands and confidence. It normally takes wide receivers 2-3 years to learn the position without taking a year off. Taking a full year off will either delay or destroy his development. A perfect example is Mike Williams who took off a full year and never regained his form. Crabtree is not even in the same ballpark talent wise as Mike Williams so his ability to adjust is even greater. In college most receivers are allowed to run freely but in the pro game he will have a corner who will jam him at the LOS to impede his progress. Just by watching a WR's hands at the LOS you can tell who will be successful i.e Desean Jackson and who won't i.e. Freddie Mitchell.

Also when you add that next year may be uncapped or without an collective agreement and you have just setup a perfect scenario to fail. An uncapped year isn't a good thing because there are a ton of restrictions placed on both teams and players. If they do lockout then he will have a full 2 seasons without football or an actual NFL PAYCHECK. Whoever his advisers are they are doing him a huge disservice
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I agree with you. Taking off a full year as a wide receiver will absolutely destroy his career. That is a very technical position based on timing, hands and confidence. It normally takes wide receivers 2-3 years to learn the position without taking a year off. Taking a full year off will either delay or destroy his development. A perfect example is Mike Williams who took off a full year and never regained his form. Crabtree is not even in the same ballpark talent wise as Mike Williams so his ability to adjust will be even greater. In college most receivers are allowed to run freely but in the pro game he will have a corner who will jam him at the LOS to impede his progress. Just by watching a WR's hands at the LOS you can tell who will be successful i.e Desean Jackson and who won't i.e. Freddie Mitchell.

Also when you add that next year may be uncapped or without an collective agreement and you have just setup a perfect scenario to fail. An uncapped year isn't a good thing because there are a ton of restrictions placed on both teams and players. If they do lockout then he will have a full 2 seasons without football or an actual NFL PAYCHECK. Whoever his advisers are they are doing him a huge disservice

http://intensedebate.com/people/SpEaR_tACLe RvG_SPEAR

not just his career, also his reputation off the field! he maybe good WR in college but not everybody can be when they step up in the national league! i think he needs to walk the walk and let the performance talk!

http://intensedebate.com/people/darkheath darkheath

what. a. moron.

wouldn't want this dickbag on my team.

http://intensedebate.com/people/Sidewinder Sidewinder

Perhaps Al Davis is smarter than we think….well, maybe not but the Raiders are lucky they went with Bey. I know the Raiders would have had to pay him more money and this might not have happened to them but it's not good to have a guy like this in the first place.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Sidewinder Sidewinder

Perhaps Al Davis is smarter than we think….well….maybe not, but the Raiders are lucky they went with Bey. I know the Raiders would have had to pay him more money and this might not have happened to them but it's not good to have a guy like this in the first place.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Sidewinder Sidewinder

Perhaps Al Davis is smarter than we think….well….maybe not, but the Raiders are lucky they went with Bey. I know they would have had to pay him more money and this might not have happened to them but it's not good to have a guy like this in the first place.
http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I agree with you. Taking off a full year as a wide receiver will absolutely destroy his career. That is a very technical position based on timing, hands and confidence. It normally takes wide receivers 2-3 years to learn the position without taking a year off. A perfect example is Mike Williams who took off a full year and never regained his form. Crabtree is not even in the same ballpark talent wise as Mike Williams so his ability to adjust is even greater. In college most receivers are allowed to run freely but in the pro game he will have a corner who will jam him at the LOS to impede his progress. Just by watching a WR's hands at the LOS you can tell who will be successful i.e Desean Jackson and who won't i.e. Freddie Mitchell.

Also when you add that next year may be uncapped or without an collective agreement and you have just setup a perfect scenario to fail. An uncapped year isn't a good thing because there are a ton of restrictions placed on both teams and players. If they do lockout then he will have a full 2 seasons without football or an actual NFL PAYCHECK. Whoever his advisers are they are doing him a huge disservice
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I agree with you. Taking off a full year as a wide receiver will absolutely destroy his career. That is a very technical position based on timing, hands and confidence. It normally takes wide receivers 2-3 years to learn the position without taking a year off. Taking a full year off will either delay or destroy his development. A perfect example is Mike Williams who took off a full year and never regained his form. Crabtree is not even in the same ballpark talent wise as Mike Williams so his ability to adjust is even greater. In college most receivers are allowed to run freely but in the pro game he will have a corner who will jam him at the LOS to impede his progress. Just by watching a WR's hands at the LOS you can tell who will be successful i.e Desean Jackson and who won't i.e. Freddie Mitchell.

Also when you add that next year may be uncapped or without an collective agreement and you have just setup a perfect scenario to fail. An uncapped year isn't a good thing because there are a ton of restrictions placed on both teams and players. If they do lockout then he will have a full 2 seasons without football or an actual NFL PAYCHECK. Whoever his advisers are they are doing him a huge disservice
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I agree with you. Taking off a full year as a wide receiver will absolutely destroy his career. That is a very technical position based on timing, hands and confidence. It normally takes wide receivers 2-3 years to learn the position without taking a year off. Taking a full year off will either delay or destroy his development. A perfect example is Mike Williams who took off a full year and never regained his form. Crabtree is not even in the same ballpark talent wise as Mike Williams so his ability to adjust will be even greater. In college most receivers are allowed to run freely but in the pro game he will have a corner who will jam him at the LOS to impede his progress. Just by watching a WR's hands at the LOS you can tell who will be successful i.e Desean Jackson and who won't i.e. Freddie Mitchell.

Also when you add that next year may be uncapped or without an collective agreement and you have just setup a perfect scenario to fail. An uncapped year isn't a good thing because there are a ton of restrictions placed on both teams and players. If they do lockout then he will have a full 2 seasons without football or an actual NFL PAYCHECK. Whoever his advisers are they are doing him a huge disservice

http://intensedebate.com/people/SpEaR_tACLe RvG_SPEAR

not just his career, also his reputation off the field! he maybe good WR in college but not everybody can be when they step up in the national league! i think he needs to walk the walk and let the performance talk!

http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

To clarify this issue all NFL players upon entering the league sign an agreement with the player association thereby entitling them to benefits such as pensions and royalties. Although it might seem minuscule Crabtree along with other NFL players receive a few thousand just for being featured in the game.

http://intensedebate.com/people/pastapadre pastapadre

Thanks for clarification.

http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

To clarify this issue all NFL players upon entering the league sign an agreement with the player association thereby entitling them to benefits such as pensions and royalties. Although it might seem minuscule Crabtree along with other NFL players receive a few thousand just for being featured in the game.

http://intensedebate.com/people/pastapadre pastapadre

Thanks for clarification.

giantsfan124

any news on the roster updae?
giantsfan124

any news on the roster updae?
http://twitter.com/Pharrell1 @Pharrell1

why would you want the greatest wr in tech tech history to be dropped in the roster so some schmoo could be added. 49ers are a bad team in the game anways why make them worst!

http://twitter.com/xXBertMcGertXx @xXBertMcGertXx

He should be dropped from the roster because technically he's not on the 49ers, and if he would have gotten drafted to fav team and pulled this crap; I'd rather have some schmoo instead of him
Triple

Huh?..Because he not on the roster you rock head?..

http://twitter.com/Pharrell1 @Pharrell1

why would you want the greatest wr in tech tech history to be dropped in the roster so some schmoo could be added. 49ers are a bad team in the game anways why make them worst!

http://twitter.com/xXBertMcGertXx @xXBertMcGertXx

He should be dropped from the roster because technically he's not on the 49ers, and if he would have gotten drafted to fav team and pulled this crap; I'd rather have some schmoo instead of him
Triple

Huh?..Because he not on the roster you rock head?..

http://intensedebate.com/people/SpEaR_tACLe RvG_SPEAR

i think he should be remove from 49ers simply because he is not on the 53 man roster! he is signed but not actively playin even practicing.. now tell me how could he be 84 thoe!? just my opinion..
http://intensedebate.com/people/SpEaR_tACLe RvG_SPEAR

i think he should be remove from 49ers simply because he is not on the 53 man roster! he is signed but not actively playin even practicing.. now tell me how could he be 84 thoe!? just my opinion..
Hawkeye4077

The whole rookie contract system needs an overhaul. The NFL needs to realize that this has become a problem. It's not like the old days where teams actually wanted a high draft pick, now teams always try to trade down and find a way out unless they need a franchise QB. It's ridiculous that these kids are making the kind of money they are in this sport. My opinion is that rookies should get two year contracts guaranteed and then have to redo the deal in two years. This would work both for the player and team. For the player it would work because since a team only has two years to judge whether or not to pay you the big bucks you're guaranteed to start your second year in most cases. You won't have these guys, especially QBs that have to wait about 3 years to play. That's stupid. For teams it would work because you don't have to sign a guy to big money without really knowing what you're paying for. Crabtree has the right to do what he wants to do to get paid, but he is going to set a bad example if he sits out the year and gets his money next year. I doubt it though, it's only going to hurt him as teams are not going to want to touch the guy next year if he misses an entire season and is already a primmadonna before even stepping onto the field.

http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I have some info on your points. The rookie contract has a far greater power then just the salary of the top 10 rookies. It determines the "market value" of veteran free agents and on-team players who restructure their contracts. Although, the owners are constantly complaining about the money paid to unproven talent they are ultimately responsible for the escalation of the current contract system. There isn't anything in the collective bargaining agreement that states that a player must make a certain % more than a similar pick from last year. Also with the revenue and value of the product and teams up the salary cap has increased almost making the high contracts a moot point. Unless a team is selecting a QB in the top 5 their contracts really do not a hinder a club. Now on Crabtree if he reenters the draft no team will take in the top 10 so he will lose on top 10 money again next year as well. I don't know if SF will do it but I would call his bluff to sitting out an entire season to get top 5 money. Let's be honest this guy isn't the second coming of Randy Moss and he will not make the SF 49'ers that much better.
http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I have some info on your points. The rookie contract have a far greater power then just the salary of the top 10 rookies. It determines the "market value" of veteran free agents and on-team players who restructure their contracts. Although, the owners are constantly complaining about the money paid to unproven talent they are ultimately responsible for the escalation of the current contract system. There isn't anything in the collective bargaining agreement that states that a player must make a certain % more than a similar pick from last year. Also with the revenue and value of the product and teams up the salary cap has increased almost making the high contracts a moot point. Unless a team is selecting a QB in the top 5 their contracts really do not a hinder a club. Now on Crabtree if he reenters the draft no team will take in the top 10 so he will lose on top 10 money again next year as well. I don't know if SF will do it but I would call his bluff to sitting out an entire season to get top 5 money. Let's be honest this guy isn't the second coming of Randy Moss and he will not make the SF 49'ers that much better.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I have some info on your points. The rookie contract has a far greater power then just the salary of the top 10 rookies. It determines the "market value" of veteran free agents and on-team players who restructure their contracts. Although, the owners are constantly complaining about the money paid to unproven talent they are ultimately responsible for the escalation of the current contract system. There isn't anything in the collective bargaining agreement that states that a player must make a certain % more than a similar pick from last year. Also with the revenue and value of the product and teams the salary cap has increased almost making the high contracts a moot point. Unless a team is selecting a QB in the top 5 their contracts really do not a hinder a club. Now on Crabtree if he reenters the draft no team will take in the top 10 so he will lose on top 10 money again next year as well. I don't know if SF will do it but I would call his bluff to sitting out an entire season to get top 5 money. Let's be honest this guy isn't the second coming of Randy Moss and he will not make the SF 49'ers that much better.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I have some info on your points. The rookie contract has a far greater power then just the salary of the top 10 rookies. It determines the "market value" of veteran free agents and on-team players who restructure their contracts. Although, the owners are constantly complaining about the money paid to unproven talent they are ultimately responsible for the escalation of the current contract system. There isn't anything in the collective bargaining agreement that states that a player must make a certain % more than a similar pick from last year. Also with the revenue and value of the product and teams the salary cap has increased almost making the high contracts a moot point. Unless a team is selecting a QB in the top 5 their contracts really do not a hinder a club. Now on Crabtree if he reenters the draft no team will take him in the top 10 so he will lose on top 10 money again next year as well. I don't know if SF will do it but I would call his bluff to sitting out an entire season to get top 5 money. On film this guy isn't the second coming of Randy Moss and he will not make the SF 49'ers that much better.
Acreyman

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/06/27/roger-goodell-…

The current commisoiner of the NFL addressed the issue in a owners meeting last year before the season. He agreed the unproven rookies were getting paid to much and the system needed to be changed and he got a resounding applause from the owners. (link below)

As for Crabtree I dont think he will ever get a higher contract than what the 49ers have offered him. He had the opportunity of a lifetime presented to him and anyone else out there would have taken it but he refused. That roster spot should go to someone who really wants it….I would not want a teammate that just wants to play for the money. I want a teammate that wants to play and win.

Hawkeye4077

I agree, good points. This guy reminds me of the guy from Jerry Meguire who only cared about the money…SHOW ME THE MONEY!! only difference is the dude in the movie was a proven vet and Crabtree is just a whinny unproven rookie. I agree that he's not going to be offered a better deal than the 9ers are offering, especially if he holds out a year. He was already suspect for not participating in the combine. I wonder if the guy advising him is the same guy advising Plexico Burress, what another dope. Let me turn down 2 months probation and take 2 years in prison. Take the money Crabtree and go out there and prove yourself. Than when it comes time to renew you can say…pay me bitch!

Hawkeye4077

The whole rookie contract system needs an overhaul. The NFL needs to realize that this has become a problem. It's not like the old days where teams actually wanted a high draft pick, now teams always try to trade down and find a way out unless they need a franchise QB. It's ridiculous that these kids are making the kind of money they are in this sport. My opinion is that rookies should get two year contracts guaranteed and then have to redo the deal in two years. This would work both for the player and team. For the player it would work because since a team only has two years to judge whether or not to pay you the big bucks you're guaranteed to start your second year in most cases. You won't have these guys, especially QBs that have to wait about 3 years to play. That's stupid. For teams it would work because you don't have to sign a guy to big money without really knowing what you're paying for. Crabtree has the right to do what he wants to do to get paid, but he is going to set a bad example if he sits out the year and gets his money next year. I doubt it though, it's only going to hurt him as teams are not going to want to touch the guy next year if he misses an entire season and is already a primmadonna before even stepping onto the field.

http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I have some info on your points. The rookie contract have a far greater power then just the salary of the top 10 rookies. It determines the "market value" of veteran free agents and on-team players who restructure their contracts. Although, the owners are constantly complaining about the money paid to unproven talent they are ultimately responsible for the escalation of the current contract system. There isn't anything in the collective bargaining agreement that states that a player must make a certain % more than a similar pick from last year. Also with the revenue and value of the product and teams up the salary cap has increased almost making the high contracts a moot point. Unless a team is selecting a QB in the top 5 their contracts really do not a hinder a club. Now on Crabtree if he reenters the draft no team will take in the top 10 so he will lose on top 10 money again next year as well. I don't know if SF will do it but I would call his bluff to sitting out an entire season to get top 5 money. Let's be honest this guy isn't the second coming of Randy Moss and he will not make the SF 49'ers that much better.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I have some info on your points. The rookie contract has a far greater power then just the salary of the top 10 rookies. It determines the "market value" of veteran free agents and on-team players who restructure their contracts. Although, the owners are constantly complaining about the money paid to unproven talent they are ultimately responsible for the escalation of the current contract system. There isn't anything in the collective bargaining agreement that states that a player must make a certain % more than a similar pick from last year. Also with the revenue and value of the product and teams up the salary cap has increased almost making the high contracts a moot point. Unless a team is selecting a QB in the top 5 their contracts really do not a hinder a club. Now on Crabtree if he reenters the draft no team will take in the top 10 so he will lose on top 10 money again next year as well. I don't know if SF will do it but I would call his bluff to sitting out an entire season to get top 5 money. Let's be honest this guy isn't the second coming of Randy Moss and he will not make the SF 49'ers that much better.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I have some info on your points. The rookie contract has a far greater power then just the salary of the top 10 rookies. It determines the "market value" of veteran free agents and on-team players who restructure their contracts. Although, the owners are constantly complaining about the money paid to unproven talent they are ultimately responsible for the escalation of the current contract system. There isn't anything in the collective bargaining agreement that states that a player must make a certain % more than a similar pick from last year. Also with the revenue and value of the product and teams the salary cap has increased almost making the high contracts a moot point. Unless a team is selecting a QB in the top 5 their contracts really do not a hinder a club. Now on Crabtree if he reenters the draft no team will take in the top 10 so he will lose on top 10 money again next year as well. I don't know if SF will do it but I would call his bluff to sitting out an entire season to get top 5 money. Let's be honest this guy isn't the second coming of Randy Moss and he will not make the SF 49'ers that much better.
http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

I have some info on your points. The rookie contract has a far greater power then just the salary of the top 10 rookies. It determines the "market value" of veteran free agents and on-team players who restructure their contracts. Although, the owners are constantly complaining about the money paid to unproven talent they are ultimately responsible for the escalation of the current contract system. There isn't anything in the collective bargaining agreement that states that a player must make a certain % more than a similar pick from last year. Also with the revenue and value of the product and teams the salary cap has increased almost making the high contracts a moot point. Unless a team is selecting a QB in the top 5 their contracts really do not a hinder a club. Now on Crabtree if he reenters the draft no team will take him in the top 10 so he will lose on top 10 money again next year as well. I don't know if SF will do it but I would call his bluff to sitting out an entire season to get top 5 money. On film this guy isn't the second coming of Randy Moss and he will not make the SF 49'ers that much better.
Acreyman

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2008/06/27/roger-goodell-…

The current commisoiner of the NFL addressed the issue in a owners meeting last year before the season. He agreed the unproven rookies were getting paid to much and the system needed to be changed and he got a resounding applause from the owners. (link below)

As for Crabtree I dont think he will ever get a higher contract than what the 49ers have offered him. He had the opportunity of a lifetime presented to him and anyone else out there would have taken it but he refused. That roster spot should go to someone who really wants it….I would not want a teammate that just wants to play for the money. I want a teammate that wants to play and win.

Hawkeye4077

I agree, good points. This guy reminds me of the guy from Jerry Meguire who only cared about the money…SHOW ME THE MONEY!! only difference is the dude in the movie was a proven vet and Crabtree is just a whinny unproven rookie. I agree that he's not going to be offered a better deal than the 9ers are offering, especially if he holds out a year. He was already suspect for not participating in the combine. I wonder if the guy advising him is the same guy advising Plexico Burress, what another dope. Let me turn down 2 months probation and take 2 years in prison. Take the money Crabtree and go out there and prove yourself. Than when it comes time to renew you can say…pay me bitch!

Rambo

Crabshit should be out of the game, he is not an NFL player.

Any other player in the 53 man roster deserves to be in the game more than him.
Rambo

Crabshit should be out of the game, he is not an NFL player.

Any other player in the 53 man roster deserves to be in the game more than him.
Deneweth

Actually, Bo Jackson did this same exact thing to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the 1986 draft.

http://intensedebate.com/people/dagamesta dagamesta

Yea, we get it already. Thanks.

Deneweth

I do what I can.

Deneweth

Actually, Bo Jackson did this same exact thing to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the 1986 draft.

http://intensedebate.com/people/dagamesta dagamesta

Yea, we get it already. Thanks.

Deneweth

I do what I can.

sunnydale

Just put him in the free agency or keep him on the 49ers but put him on IR or give him a little HOLD OUT tag. No reason to remove him from the game, he had a big fan base and people want to use him online etc…

Joe

I agree. There are several ways the Madden crew could handle this. Just putting him lower on the depth chart seems to be a cop op but oh well. Eventually the guy is going to sign because he's making $0 right now and each game he holds out is more money he looses. The situation would've been the same if the Raiders would've picked him at 7 because Uncle Al is crazy and Grabtree would be demanding picks #1-3 money. What a tool!
http://intensedebate.com/people/dagamesta dagamesta

Don't forget Elway, who did it in 1983 with the Colts. It's been done lots of times.

sunnydale

Just put him in the free agency or keep him on the 49ers but put him on IR or give him a little HOLD OUT tag. No reason to remove him from the game, he had a big fan base and people want to use him online etc…

Joe

I agree. There are several ways the Madden crew could handle this. Just putting him lower on the depth chart seems to be a cop op but oh well. Eventually the guy is going to sign because he's making $0 right now and each game he holds out is more money he looses. The situation would've been the same if the Raiders would've picked him at 7 because Uncle Al is crazy and Grabtree would be demanding picks #1-3 money. What a tool!
http://intensedebate.com/people/dagamesta dagamesta

Don't forget Elway, who did it in 1983 with the Colts. It's been done lots of times.

KD The Dream

we shouldn't reward stupidity.
KD The Dream

we shouldn't reward stupidity.
thacker89

Anyone know what day the roster update will ready?
thacker89

Anyone know what day the roster update will ready?