Resident Evil 5

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

360 lol

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2008/12/RE1.jpg

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/kotaku/2008/12/Re2.jpg

at least the demo does

...I wish they'd just say, to begin with, that [insert system name here] was the lead platform, so expect it to look slightly better.

Also, taking into account the 360 has better bump-mapping and anti-aliasing out the box...stills on 360 will look better on most TP games. I don't think it looked better in motion after seeing the demo run on both.


flame (or discuss) away

[Juggernaut]

The 360 one looks better, not by much but when you actually look at the colors, the 360 one seems to have richer colors

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

...also, don't be surprised if it happens to have been photoshopped. I've seen on some sites that happen--for both 'sides'.

[Tdoggy]

lol

[DavePSU]

I've played Resident Evil 5 on both consoles, the differences are minimal at best. In motion, they're both identical.

I can't wait for January 9th. I'll be playing this isht on 7-story tall screens at Planet Hollywood in Vegas...Wooooo.

[Jukeum445]

Man once again the ps3 gets the shaft..LOL.. what the heck is going on.. RE: is playstation to some degree..I'm still a bit shocked they didn't go ps3 exclusive for the first few months.. but i have seen videos on both systems and have to say i liked the ps3 look over the 360's .. i guess my only gripe was that it was off of game trailers and they always muff things up..

[MF Prime]

Man once again the ps3 gets the shaft..LOL.. what the heck is going on.. RE: is playstation to some degree..I'm still a bit shocked they didn't go ps3 exclusive for the first few months.. but i have seen videos on both systems and have to say i liked the ps3 look over the 360's .. i guess my only gripe was that it was off of game trailers and they always muff things up..

Yeah they fluff things more toward the 360 side than Solidus himself. Either way though the 360 does look better by a bit. Is it enough to sway me to buy it on the system?...Nah, but it does bring up the question.

All in all though this was expected, especially when you have devs looking for the easy way out and start off on the 360 stead of the Ps3.

[Mhurricane266]

Hmm not much of a difference anyway,however,I had totally forgot about this game...when does it release?

[MF Prime]

Mar 13th

Yeah Left 4 Dead and Dead Space have totally made people forget about Resident Evil. Not to mention the fact that it looks like Resident Evil 4 all over again, not a bad thing at all since RE4 is a classic, but I'm sure people were looking for a bigger upgrade on the nex-gen aside from Co-Op.

[Jukeum445]

i'm just a bit sour that devs keeping skewing things 360ward with out at the very least trying to optimize the ps3's power a bit more.. i mean the more i play metal gear the more i feel it should be the standard of video games period..i mean i could be totally crawling up the wrong tree with this but the unreal engine that GOW 1 & 2 are run off of looks great for a gears game but then i see it being used in other titles and it seems to look a bit gearish, but without the proper set up of a gears game.. either way having both systems is a must now of days there just no way around it if you dont u get screwed one way or the other..

[Ironhorse75]

i mean the more i play metal gear the more i feel it should be the standard of video games period

The problem is that outside of those few tent pole franchises (MGS, Gran Turismo), nobody else has the resources (financial, talent, time schedule) to make their games look that good.

You're looking at 1, 2 titles max within the same franchise on a system's lifespan before they begin development for their next project years before the current system is even done running its course.

[DomePatrol]

Do i have to play any of the REs to know whats going on?

[tunes522]

i dont think that developers are intentionally 'fluffing out'...i honestly think that the quality of 360 games over PS3 games (when they are released on both platforms) has more to do with the development kits that the companies provide more than anything else...sony has a LONG history of being an obnoxious company to develop for and work with in general as they often times prefer to use their own programs and tools that don't crossover to other platforms...i don't think its an out for companies, i just simply believe that it is MUCH easier to develop for the 360 than it is for the PS3...

again, i'm not a developer or anything...but i believe i have read several articles in the past detailing this issue...and i am not saying that this is right, because obviously both console owners deserve the right to a nearly equal gaming experience, but i think that the blame lies nearly as much here with as sony as it does with the developers...

furthermore, if i were sony, and i noticed that multi-console games are looking better on a system with inferior software, i would be IRATE...and i would definitely be mentioning that to my developers and be seeking improvements and modifications before the games could be released on my system...

also...the debate here shouldn't be whether or not the games look the same on both systems...they should ALWAYS look better on the superior system...especially since people are still paying a buttload for the PS3...and this comes from a 360 owner...

[tunes522]

Do i have to play any of the REs to know whats going on?

shoot zombies...that's really all you need to know...(other methods of killing are also acceptable)...

[DavePSU]

i dont think that developers are intentionally 'fluffing out'...i honestly think that the quality of 360 games over PS3 games (when they are released on both platforms) has more to do with the development kits that the companies provide more than anything else...sony has a LONG history of being an obnoxious company to develop for and work with in general as they often times prefer to use their own programs and tools that don't crossover to other platforms...i don't think its an out for companies, i just simply believe that it is MUCH easier to develop for the 360 than it is for the PS3...

again, i'm not a developer or anything...but i believe i have read several articles in the past detailing this issue...and i am not saying that this is right, because obviously both console owners deserve the right to a nearly equal gaming experience, but i think that the blame lies nearly as much here with as sony as it does with the developers...

furthermore, if i were sony, and i noticed that multi-console games are looking better on a system with inferior software, i would be IRATE...and i would definitely be mentioning that to my developers and be seeking improvements and modifications before the games could be released on my system...

also...the debate here shouldn't be whether or not the games look the same on both systems...they should ALWAYS look better on the superior system...especially since people are still paying a buttload for the PS3...and this comes from a 360 owner...

A long history? Huh? You do know one of the main reasons why the original PlayStation was as successful as it was is because of the fact it was so easy to develop for. That combined with the fact it was utilizing a disc-format over cartridge pleased a lot of developers.

As for the PlayStation 3, Capcom has gone on record and said that the PlayStation 3 is very easy to develop for.

The reason you end up with slight differences between multiplatform titles is because there is trouble porting from the 360 to PS3. However, games started on the PS3 and ported to the 360 all look relatively the same. Which is why developers should be using that process to begin with.

As for Resident Evil 5, the differences aren't even noticeable when the game is in motion. It's when you take still photos and zoom in on stuff that brings these differences out. Who does that during normal play? No one?

Both versions of RE5 are going to be good, but disappointing to any real old school RE fans who weren't happy with the end result of RE4 (which happens to be a ton of people).

[whoisdo]

Anyone else besides myself find it hard adjusting to the controls of RE5 in the demo? I had ripped the demo to a DVD and then played it over a few times, and going from games now back to the old style of RE was killing me.

Even Dead Space took into account a RE style aiming system, but at least allowed you to walk, strafe, and maneuver while you were shooting. I'll still play the title all the way through, but the controls are going to bug me haha.

[Jukeum445]

im a bit curious about the story line.. as it appears they kid of ditched the whole
umbrella corp. in favor of some haunted island in RE:4 and now this.. i only hope the story pans out..

I'd love to see a reboot of sorts.. bring back all the main characters in like an ultimate trilogy where you have chris..leon..claire.. joining up to stop umbrella from another huge out break of sorts , infavor over these side quests with every one..

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

360 lol
...I wish they'd just say, to begin with, that [insert system name here] was the lead platform, so expect it to look slightly better.

Also, taking into account the 360 has better bump-mapping and anti-aliasing out the box...stills on 360 will look better on most TP games. I don't think it looked better in motion after seeing the demo run on both.


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lol the PS3 brigade didn't take the time to read. Yet again.


-sigh-

[MF Prime]

Lol I don't get you sometime Solidus...you throw out a topic like "360 looks better than Ps3" throw together some sentences slipping in that tidbit of "yeah its only still pictures" yet sigh when people respond to your said topic?...

I myself only spoke on RE for a second, I seen your little half sentence then backtrack of saying they look similar in motion. I ask though, if it looks similar in motion why even bother to proclaim the 360 looks better?

Solidus...the Unbiased Gamer at your service. lol :rolleyes:

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

I do that to test the community.

Its like that video of people throwing a red ball and asking you to count how many passes happen, for you to find out that a dancing gorilla was there that you weren't paying attention to. I didn't slip anything in. It was all intentional.

Anyway, it was an interesting story, and PP hasn't had one of these thread since I've been frequenting it, so I did post it.

I sighed about the PS3 brigade coming in and posting what I had already, but then wanting to make it sound like my post was skewed in the beginning when it was not. No biggie.

[MF Prime]

I do that to test the community.

Its like that video of people throwing a red ball and asking you to count how many passes happen, for you to find out that a dancing gorilla was there that you weren't paying attention to. I didn't slip anything in. It was all intentional.

Anyway, it was an interesting story, and PP hasn't had one of these thread since I've been frequenting it, so I did post it.

I sighed about the PS3 brigade coming in and posting what I had already, but then wanting to make it sound like my post was skewed in the beginning when it was not. No biggie.

I know you do it for shits and giggles just to come back to the thread and say "Oh Ps3 brigade this...fanboy that...etc." I just don't see the point besides adding fuel to Console War fire that you started back in the SG days.

Anyways have your fun Solidus I won't partake in the Ps3 bashing anymore.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

I don't bash anything.

The PS3 is a great console.

I only attempt to poke holes in the mindset some have of thinking that a platform is actually better than another one this late in the game.

Preference...fine. Bias...not fine.

Any chance of making someone's bias obvious I'll take, especially if it's an interesting story/instance/article for me. One thing to prefer the PS3/360, a total different one to try and position your preference as an actual better option than the other this generation.

Someone who could have been like 'See 360 looks better' would ahve gotten the 'lol look at the 360 fanboy who didn't read my post' in the same manner.

War/Chaos is better than this site falling sway either one way or another. Believe me...if I saw something that was the reverse--I'd do the same. Last chance of that was with MGS4, and it's old news to many now. Just wait...you'll see.

Plus, It keeps discussions flowing, which is also a good thing. Knowing the people who post here regularly have real points make starting threads like this a easy and quick decision.

[DomePatrol]

shoot zombies...that's really all you need to know...(other methods of killing are also acceptable)...

Yeah i figured that much i was just wondering if something happens from past resident evils i wont be all lost in the woods and shit.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

Story wise you could be. I suggest...getting...RE: Degeneration, the CG movie made by Capcom.

[MF Prime]

Didn't mean to say you are bashing the Ps3, but it does look like your instigating it. You can say it leads to discussion sure, but when you throw out a topic like you have and toss in visuals to further that notion... I can't help but feel your opening up the floodgates of the mindless quotes like "360 rulez!1! and Ps3 sukzersz" based on the graphics of Multi-Plat games that are developed for the 360 and ported over to a system with straight up different architecture.

Is that the case in this instance?...not sure, but based on reports I've seen the Ps3 is a few builds behind the 360 which would explain these still shots. However all mentioned in motion the difference is nil or minimal to the eye. That right there just makes me wonder why report such "news" if both games play the same with no major hiccups.

Again I'm not a graphics whore, sure I like the eye candy but if a game plays the same on either system I'm going Ps3. If it plays better on the 360 then hell I'm buying it for that system. Graphics don't sway me at all, but technical problems do as in the case of Orange Box and Mass Effect.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

I think it'd be a good idea to weed those types out though Prime. From both sides. Don't you?

To find them, then inform them, is my duty.

As the 3 time Gamer of the Year. :ninja:

[DomePatrol]

Story wise you could be. I suggest...getting...RE: Degeneration, the CG movie made by Capcom.

Alright sounds good. I was thinking about picking up RE 4 for the Wii i heard it was good.

[MF Prime]

I think it'd be a good idea to weed those types out though Prime. From both sides. Don't you?

To find them, then inform them, is my duty.

As the 3 time Gamer of the Year. :ninja:

Yeah I agree, but I can't help but feel this also weeds out potential Ps3 consumers as well. People that could miss out on some great titles just cause they think the $400 system aint worth it cause the graphics on a multi-plat game doesn't blow the $200 system outta the water.

3x Gamer of the Year... yeah like I would trust a bunch of 360 fanboys voting for another 360 fanb....lol

[Raider21Magic12]

Every multiplatform game looks better on the 360. Sony's developers are a joke in this next gen. So much power...yeah yeah.....360's lighting effects rape the ps3.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

it has nothing to do with PS3's power. READ THE FIRST POST

If the lead platform is 360, it'll likley be better for it. And vice versa.

MGS4 >>> anything on 360.

That being said, if lighting effects are the difference between multiplat games for you, then I'm saddened.

[MF Prime]

And thus it begins.... lol :rolleyes:

[Jukeum445]

prime said it best..its all about how the games play out on each system.. if its better on ps3 im there.. if its better on 360 im there.. simple .. This generation more than others, really needs to be experienced with all consoles

[Spec]

How are some people playing this game or demo? I haven't seen it on xbl or psn.

[MF Prime]

Jap accounts, its a simple process. I'm pretty sure if you google or go back to SG you can find a thread on how to make one in about 15min or so.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

you can't do japanese accounts in some instances...but most people can.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Jap accounts, its a simple process. I'm pretty sure if you google or go back to SG you can find a thread on how to make one in about 15min or so.

Yea, its become a little more complicated since MS found out what ppl were doing. The process now envloves burning the demo to a disc

[HustlinOwl]

Resident Evil 5 gets custom PS3 bundle

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.ps3fanboy.com/media/2009/01/425_hontaibox.jpg (http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/1221083_1124.html)
It looks like that Yakuza 3 (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/tag/yakuza-3/) bundle (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/06/yakuza-3-themed-ps3-looks-stylish/) isn't the only SKU out on the market with an extra dash of special detail. A bundle for Capcom's Resident Evil 5 (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/tag/resident-evil-5/) will also feature a unique 80GB PS3 adorned with a Tri-Cell logo. It's perhaps not as stylish as the Yakuza 3 one, but at least it comes with a second controller. The set hits Japan on March 5 alongside the debut of RE5 and will retail for ¥48,980 ($522).

It's interesting to see Sony pursue an interest in this sort of hobbyist/collector appeal strategy. Microsoft has been employing the tactic in Japan for several years now, releasing major J-RPGs in the territory with custom faceplate bundles. It'll be interesting to watch the rest of the year to see if this stratagem bears fruit, or becomes commonplace for other big name titles. In any case, don't expect to see these babies outside Japan ... seeing as we never got the silver and white units.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

I think RE is getting the bundle treatment for 360 too.

I know that Star Ocean 4 is getting it, I think I saw the RE box next to it on some random japanese gaming site I visited last night.

[MF Prime]

I think RE is getting the bundle treatment for 360 too.

I know that Star Ocean 4 is getting it, I think I saw the RE box next to it on some random japanese gaming site I visited last night.

So does that mean it won't be hitting the states?...cause if so I wouldn't mind trading the one I have now out for it. Really think its on its last legs and I've been thinking of getting this game anyways.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

I sure hope so...I want to buy 2 more 360s (sell these older ones) and I planned to get it.

[MF Prime]

Yeah I think my 360 is definately on its last legs and I would hate to buy a game like Star Ocean and have it blow up on me during and tight ass cutscene or mid-battle. At first it was doing the stuff Fred is going through now and recently while playing Gears 2 its been completly shutting off saying the disc is dirty yet not a single scratch or smudge is on the game.

I told myself I would just get rid it on its next death (this would be #3), but I would hate not having all the systems and missing out on a good game because of it.

[HustlinOwl]

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/14/resident-evil-5-demo-arrives-on-psn-week-of-february-5th/

Resident Evil 5 demo arrives on PSN week of February 5th

Posted Jan 14th 2009 1:03PM by Andrew Yoon (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/bloggers/andrew-yoon)
Filed under: PlayStation Network (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/category/psn/)
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.ps3fanboy.com/media/2009/01/re5demoimgbr.jpg

Want an early taste at Capcom's latest zombie adventure? You'll be able to download a free demo off the PlayStation Store the week of February 5th.

The demo will include two levels and three types of co-op play: single-player with AI support, two-player split-screen on a single PS3 and two-player across PlayStation Network. Players will be able to pick between traditional RE4 controls, or a new "Action" control scheme, inspired by popular third-person shooters, like Gears of War.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

The Gears control scheme will be sweet.

[IIII 47 IIII]

The Xbox 360 Demo will hit January 26th.

Xbox 360 owners will be getting an early taste of Capcom's Resident Evil 5 come January 26th, when a one-week timed exclusive demo hits Xbox Live.

The demo, much like the one released late last year in Japan, features two levels from the full game, Assembly Place and Shanty Town, allowing 360 owners to play either alone or with a friend via two-player co-op. In addition to the demo, Capcom is also releasing the high-definition trailer from the 2008 Tokyo Game Show on Xbox Live January 16th.


http://kotaku.com/5131184/resident-evil-5-demo-premiers-on-360-january-26th

[HustlinOwl]

http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2009/01/16/resident-evil-5-collectors-edition-us-revealed-costs-90/

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.ps3fanboy.com/media/2009/01/cap_011_ps3_collpack_box_bob_stuff425.jpg (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/photos/resident-evil-5-collectors-edition-ps3/1297261/full/)
See this in high-res -- for $90 FREE!

If you're a hardcore Resident Evil fan, get ready to break the bank. Capcom has just unveiled its Collector's Edition version of the game for American audiences, and it is loaded with a lot of stuff. Obviously, you'll get the game, but you'll also snag a Tricell messenger bag, Chris Redfield figurine, BSAA patch and Kijuju-inspired pendant. A second bonus disc will also be included, with tons of special behind-the-scenes content.

Check out the gallery -- is it worth the asking price of $90?

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

so is PS3Fanboy your only source for info?

[HustlinOwl]

Use to visit Kotaku, but do not like the layout

[MF Prime]

Use to visit Kotaku, but do not like the layout

Translation: ... Pro 360, Anti-Ps3 layout

[DavePSU]

Translation: ... Pro 360, Anti-Ps3 layout

Or the fact that Kotaku is just terrible.

[Fred]

i prefer joystiq over kotaku

[DavePSU]

i prefer joystiq over kotaku

Joystiq is a good group of guys. I don't have any problems with any of their writers, but Kotaku is just trash in general.

It's funny that most developers/publishers don't even respect them really.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Or the fact that Kotaku is just terrible.

I see that alot when talking about games. It seems as tho the majority of gamers all have that one site/publication they think is trash, for whatever stupid reason, be it IGN is too pro 360, or Gamespot doesnt talk enough about the Wii, blah blah blah blah.

[MF Prime]

Too true 47, but it just goes hand in hand with most gamers to think something is trash if it doesn't follow the same beliefs as you. I like IGN and Game Informer when it comes to reviews, previews or whatever gaming related.

Never really read Joystiq besides the weekly wrapup on webcomics.

[Jukeum445]

yea i think by far IGN is the best out there in overall performance.. followed by game informer..

[DavePSU]

I see that alot when talking about games. It seems as tho the majority of gamers all have that one site/publication they think is trash, for whatever stupid reason, be it IGN is too pro 360, or Gamespot doesnt talk enough about the Wii, blah blah blah blah.

Too true 47, but it just goes hand in hand with most gamers to think something is trash if it doesn't follow the same beliefs as you. I like IGN and Game Informer when it comes to reviews, previews or whatever gaming related.

Never really read Joystiq besides the weekly wrapup on webcomics.

Incorrect. I have no problem with the beliefs of gaming websites. I read both pro-360/Sony sites and neutral sites.

The only two publications that I can't stand are Kotaku and GameSpot.

GameSpot because their journalism is very suspect and the way they handle some of their previews is just disgraceful, IMO.

Kotaku, because of reasons I can't really put out in the open. However, it's for the same reasons that a lot of Devs/Pubs don't exactly respect these guys as well.

[MF Prime]

Incorrect. I have no problem with the beliefs of gaming websites. I read both pro-360/Sony sites and neutral sites.

The only two publications that I can't stand are Kotaku and GameSpot.

GameSpot because their journalism is very suspect and the way they handle some of their previews is just disgraceful, IMO.

Kotaku, because of reasons I can't really put out in the open. However, it's for the same reasons that a lot of Devs/Pubs don't exactly respect these guys as well.

Oh I wasn't singling you out Dave or directing it toward your comment on Kotaku. I was merely replying to why a majority of people tend to follow one while discrediting another which #47 was saying.

I like IGN cause they seem to have a good set of people handling each system and their reviews tend to be pretty accurate. I've yet to read a review from them and feel they got it wrong with their point system.

Game Informer is top notch not only for the same reasons, but for every review they give another take. Not to mention they seem to be the most consistent with their writers. The same guy that reviews Madden-Live-FiFa will review APF-2k9-Winning 11.

[DavePSU]

Oh I wasn't singling you out Dave or directing it toward your comment on Kotaku. I was merely replying to why a majority of people tend to follow one while discrediting another which #47 was saying.

I like IGN cause they seem to have a good set of people handling each system and their reviews tend to be pretty accurate. I've yet to read a review from them and feel they got it wrong with their point system.

Game Informer is top notch not only for the same reasons, but for every review they give another take. Not to mention they seem to be the most consistent with their writers. The same guy that reviews Madden-Live-FiFa will review APF-2k9-Winning 11.

Lol Did you not see the Football Manager review from IGN where they gave it a 2.9 because it wasn't like "FIFA"?

It was the laughing stock of the journalism world for a bit... They ended up pulling it.

Oh, PS: I like IGN Too.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

Yeah I saw that.


Thing is, a lot of readers agreed. That's why they get away with it. Being unbiased doesn't really seem to be a precondition anymore.

[DavePSU]

Yeah I saw that.


Thing is, a lot of readers agreed. That's why they get away with it. Being unbiased doesn't really seem to be a precondition anymore.

A lot of readers agreed? They pulled the entire review because of how stupid it made them look. They were upset because a "Management" game didn't let them play the actual game.

That's like docking points from Head Coach because you don't control the players, lol.

I only saw it at the start, so I'm not sure about the whole "a lot of readers agreed" thing is true. However, I'll take your word for it.

[MF Prime]

Lol Did you not see the Football Manager review from IGN where they gave it a 2.9 because it wasn't like "FIFA"?

It was the laughing stock of the journalism world for a bit... They ended up pulling it.

Lol...ouch. I'm going to blame it on a big misunderstanding and the journalist not realizing its to be reviewed in the same sense of Head Coach and whatnot. Still funny as hell to think about it though, reminds me of customers buying Head Coach only to figure out later its nothing like Madden.

Last bit of news I've read from IGN was the whole Sonic Unleashed controversy. Outside of that I've been checking it to see what they chose as the best of 08. For some reason videos are acting up for me, but I think they picked Fallout 3 as GOTY.

[CR Knight]

having played Football Manager before, I found the IGN "review" an absolute joke. It was quite obvious the "reviewer" had no idea what kind of game he was reviewing. It was funny seeing his score compared to IGN UK's score (9.5, I believe).

btw masta, the people who agreed with his review were people that have never played the game or hate anything to do with soccer, so I wouldn't use that help justify or validate his soccer or review. It was utter nonsense and deserved the ridicule it received.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

A lot of readers agreed? They pulled the entire review because of how stupid it made them look. They were upset because a "Management" game didn't let them play the actual game.

That's like docking points from Head Coach because you don't control the players, lol.

I only saw it at the start, so I'm not sure about the whole "a lot of readers agreed" thing is true. However, I'll take your word for it.

That's what a lot of readers did, so that's what I meant by that. Believe me, there is a level of casual that is just above casual enough to be aware of the popular titles, but just below respectable gamers in that they don't know enough to not compare apples to oranges. I was basically saying they were idiots catering to idiots. I guess I wasn't clear enough on that.

[IIII 47 IIII]

I personally dont care what any review site says, i never check any site for a review, i dont need nor want their opinion. I do like hearing about whats going on tho, thats why i check a ton of diff sites, from Kotaku to GamePolitics to Ign etc. Thats why i cant say i hate any one site/publication. Does GameSpot have some shoddy reporting when it comes to reviews? Maybe, but i dont care, thats not why i check those sites.

[Mhurricane266]

I personally dont care what any review site says, i never check any site for a review, i dont need nor want their opinion. I do like hearing about whats going on tho, thats why i check a ton of diff sites, from Kotaku to GamePolitics to Ign etc. Thats why i cant say i hate any one site/publication. Does GameSpot have some shoddy reporting when it comes to reviews? Maybe, but i dont care, thats not why i check those sites.

I usually just get my "reviews" from around here or another forum.It's not that I dont trust review sites but I just feel the community is usually spot on with games as a whole.Pretty much any game Ive bought Ive looked around forums to see how good it was. The only one ive missed was RB6V2 and ive been playing that lately so I might as well say its been just about 100%.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

....I don't know how you don't like review sites but listen to a community. Dave is here, but also writes for PSU. so will you listen to him here but not there?

Most sites' reviewers are like that.

[MF Prime]

I wouldn't trust you guys with a purchase unless its from the sports/shooter variety. Anything else I'll leave up to GI and IGN as I reported before. If there is usually a "big" problem it will be addressed in both reviews and should stay constant across all sites.

I mean don't get me wrong going to the community is fine, but alas you are asking a bunch of people that already like the game. What kind of response do you expect to get?

Thats like going to Solidus or Haze and asking which system is better 360 or Ps3

[Mhurricane266]

....I don't know how you don't like review sites but listen to a community. Dave is here, but also writes for PSU. so will you listen to him here but not there?

Most sites' reviewers are like that.


I never said "I don't like"..I said "I just usually get my reviews from here but its not that I dont like review sites"...besides I dont even really frequent review sites for the most part. I used to go to IGN way back when but thats about it...still go every now then

[Mhurricane266]

I wouldn't trust you guys with a purchase unless its from the sports/shooter variety. Anything else I'll leave up to GI and IGN as I reported before. If there is usually a "big" problem it will be addressed in both reviews and should stay constant across all sites.

I mean don't get me wrong going to the community is fine, but alas you are asking a bunch of people that already like the game. What kind of response do you expect to get?

Thats like going to Solidus or Haze and asking which system is better 360 or Ps3
Its a sort of sense thing I guess.I know you will run into the biased people but you can have that feeling about a game...If Im interested in a game and i go to a couple different sites and see each site has like the same 3 guys talking about the game then I know to probably stay away. For me its a mixture of gut feeling and looking at stuff like that

[SilkySmooth82]

I wouldn't trust you guys with a purchase unless its from the sports/shooter variety. Anything else I'll leave up to GI and IGN as I reported before. If there is usually a "big" problem it will be addressed in both reviews and should stay constant across all sites.

I mean don't get me wrong going to the community is fine, but alas you are asking a bunch of people that already like the game. What kind of response do you expect to get?

Thats like going to Solidus or Haze and asking which system is better 360 or Ps3


Lol at the color coding...

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

I wouldn't trust you guys with a purchase unless its from the sports/shooter variety. Anything else I'll leave up to GI and IGN as I reported before. If there is usually a "big" problem it will be addressed in both reviews and should stay constant across all sites.

I mean don't get me wrong going to the community is fine, but alas you are asking a bunch of people that already like the game. What kind of response do you expect to get?

Thats like going to Solidus or Haze and asking which system is better 360 or Ps3

You should ask both of us. But then ask a third person. Lao Tzu said think thrice on a matter. And at least when I am asked I give you detailed reasonings. :)

[MF Prime]

You should ask both of us. But then ask a third person. Lao Tzu said think thrice on a matter. And at least when I am asked I give you detailed reasonings. :)

True, but the result will still be the same. 360 for the now and to play with people on this site or the Ps3 for the future and endless possibilities it holds. Neither is really a wrong answer since both offer great enjoyment, but again I was just trying to make a point of threads that ask What game should I buy or What system is best for me.

I like to keep an open and unbias opinion on the matter and 9 outta 10 I would suggest 360 since most customers nowadays only care about Halo, Gears, and Madden. However for that one person that likes a variety and don't mind the freaking slow buildup of Sony... I say go Ps3 cause in the long run I think it will turn out magical joys like the Ps2.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

One point, then I'm done hijacking this thread:

I, and most consumers in this climate, aren't buying an entertainment device just for the future. We buy them for the now.

That being said, if someone was to has 360 or PS3 right now, I could say without flinching that the PS3 would me a good buy. When people (like you) who consider themselves PS3 supporters (Again, I only support games, not platforms) say sentences like this:

360 for the now and to play with people on this site or the Ps3 for the future and endless possibilities it holds.

it is very confusing. there are good games and gamers on PS3, both are mentioned on this forum. Why limit the one strength of the system to being the future, when honestly it isn't any brighter than the 360s? It's just different. Not Brighter.

You (and other people who'd want to suggest PS3 rather than 360) should tell the uninformed what it has not what it will have. Obviously the future is going to be good for both. But what about now? What will I play if I get one now? [note: there is plenty, especially at a good value, for PS3 right now.]

also, stuff like this:

9 outta 10 I would suggest 360 since most customers nowadays only care about Halo, Gears, and Madden.

Makes it seem like you are looking down your nose at that type of player. Mind you, I'd suggest 360 probably, despite the type of gamer I am (which cuts against every 360 stereotype), I'm just pointing out again one of those things I told you before about PS3 fanboys I know outside of PP. You should be careful of that--it's flame bait.

[MF Prime]

Nevermind... Don't wanna hijack this thread with crazy talk anymore.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Quick heads up, the Resident Evil 5 demo is up on XBOX LIVE.

IT IS AMAZING!!!!

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

I'll DL it as soon as I get home from work. Thanks for the heads up.

[Mhurricane266]

Downloading now

[DavePSU]

It's RE4.5... If you weren't a fan of RE4, you won't be a fan of RE5.... A lot of hardcore RE fan from the first 4-5 titles in the series are pretty upset over it.

[IIII 47 IIII]

It's RE4.5... If you weren't a fan of RE4, you won't be a fan of RE5.... A lot of hardcore RE fan from the first 4-5 titles in the series are pretty upset over it.


Eh, its pretty far from Resident Evil 4.5. It continues the controls made popular by Resident Evil 4(considered by many to be the best in the series) but thats about it. Resident Evil 4 sold really well and was an absolute critical success so any hardcore fans are apparently in the minority or Capcom wouldnt have gone with that style again.

[Mhurricane266]

I havent played a RE in forever.I gotta get use to the combination of guns and bullets again. Im used to just pressing a button to reload

[IIII 47 IIII]

I havent played a RE in forever.I gotta get use to the combination of guns and bullets again. Im used to just pressing a button to reload

Yea it took me about 10 min to get the hang of it again, once i did everything started to flow just fine.

[CR Knight]

Eh, its pretty far from Resident Evil 4.5. It continues the controls made popular by Resident Evil 4(considered by many to be the best in the series) but thats about it. Resident Evil 4 sold really well and was an absolute critical success so any hardcore fans are apparently in the minority or Capcom wouldnt have gone with that style again.

yeah, the controls for the earlier RE's sucked ass. The controls for RE4 were perfect.

I can't see how even the hardcore fans can complain about RE4's controls, unless they like shitty controls.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

I must admit I like the old controls...they were unique.

But they couldn't pull off as much with those controls. I think in order for the series to grow they had to grow the interface.

If you don't like it, play the old ones.

[DavePSU]

1. I never said anything about the controls. The reason the "real" hardcore fans of Resident Evil disapproved on a mass scale of RE4 was because of the fact the title no longer played like a Survivor Horror game. It was just a horror title.

2. The reason RE4 was so critically accepted by both gamers and media is because it appealed to a broader range of gamers. The Survivor Horror genre has a very small fanbase in comparison to just the plain "horror" fan base. This is why RE4 sold so well and was received at the level it was.

3. RE5 IS RE 4.5. I've played a good chunk of RE5 thus far (a lot more than the demo). Resident Evil 5 is furthering the trend from breaking away from the series roots just like RE4 did. This is also why Capcom is pushing so hard to convince gamers (RE diehards) that RE5 is "still a survivor horror" title. When, in actuality, it isn't anymore.

4. It doesn't just carry over the controls of Resident Evil 4, it plays IDENTICAL to Resident Evil 4. The majority of the games animations are very similar to RE4's with a graphic overhaul.

[IIII 47 IIII]

4. It doesn't just carry over the controls of Resident Evil 4, it plays IDENTICAL to Resident Evil 4. The majority of the games animations are very similar to RE4's with a graphic overhaul.



Well, this game is a 'sequel', so yes things are going to carry over. Saying this is RE4.5 is like saying God of War 2 is God of War 1.5. Neither is correct.

[DavePSU]

Well, this game is a 'sequel', so yes things are going to carry over. Saying this is RE4.5 is like saying God of War 2 is God of War 1.5. Neither is correct.

RE3 plays nothing like RE4 and that's a sequel.

Your argument is flawed.

[IIII 47 IIII]

RE3 plays nothing like RE4 and that's a sequel.

Your argument is flawed.

The series underwent an upgrade and change after 3. What we have now is the "new" Resident Evil. 5 is the 2nd game in that new style, so no, my argument isn't flawed at all actually.

[DavePSU]

The series underwent an upgrade and change after 3. What we have now is the "new" Resident Evil. 5 is the 2nd game in that new style, so no, my argument isn't flawed at all actually.

Yes, your argument is flawed because they're STILL sequels of one another. The differences between 3 and 4 prove that the "genre" perse, can change without it being monotonous. The differences between 4 and 5 are purely cosmetic outside of the "co-op" aspect, which ultimately slights the single-player experience to an extent.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Yes, your argument is flawed because they're STILL sequels of one another. The differences between 3 and 4 prove that the "genre" perse, can change without it being monotonous. The differences between 4 and 5 are purely cosmetic outside of the "co-op" aspect, which ultimately slights the single-player experience to an extent.

No, it doesn't, at all. Again saying Resident Evil 5 is RE 4.5 is like saying Resident Evil 2 is Resident Evil 1.5. Both had the same controls yet are very different games. Unless you are going up against Salazar and co. in Resident Evil 5, then you cant claim it as 4.5.

[DavePSU]

No, it doesn't, at all. Again saying Resident Evil 5 is RE 4.5 is like saying Resident Evil 2 is Resident Evil 1.5. Both had the same controls yet are very different games. Unless you are going up against Salazar and co. in Resident Evil 5, then you cant claim it as 4.5.

RE has never been about the individuals you're going up against, it's been about the corporations that have cause problems worldwide. Once again... RE 5 is RE 4.5.

I've played enough of the game to know, you haven't.

[IIII 47 IIII]

RE has never been about the individuals you're going up against, it's been about the corporations that have cause problems worldwide. Once again... RE 5 is RE 4.5.

I've played enough of the game to know, you haven't.


Thats just a lazy argument due to the overhaul the series went through. Being that RE 5 hasn't had the same overhaul, some ppl, like you, are going to take the easy way out and say its just a rehash of 4, which is just incorrect. We are going to hear alot more about Tricell in 5, that alone is enough to say that Resident Evil 5 is everything but RE 4.5.

[DavePSU]

Thats just a lazy argument due to the overhaul the series went through. Being that RE 5 hasn't had the same overhaul, some ppl, like you, are going to take the easy way out and say its just a rehash of 4, which is just incorrect. We are going to hear alot more about Tricell in 5, that alone is enough to say that Resident Evil 5 is everything but RE 4.5.

Nobody called it a rehash of 4. When you take a game, change the story, but leave absolutely everything else pretty much the same... You're not offering up an entirely new product, you're offering up an "upgraded" story version, similar to Sports titles to a certain extent.

Outside of co-op, Resident Evil 5 offers gamers nothing new that 4 didn't... All of the mechanics are pretty much the same...the mini-games are the same... the view is the same... the animations are the same...

For how LONG Resident Evil 5 was in development for, this game should be A LOT more than what it is. The fact that it isn't a lot more than what it is, only further displays how much of a RE 4.5 it truly is.

This "argument" isn't just black and white, there are a ton of gray areas. When you look at other titles that were in development for 3+ years, you see the changes that you'd expect a series to have... RE5 doesn't produce that change, not even close to it.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Nobody called it a rehash of 4. When you take a game, change the story, but leave absolutely everything else pretty much the same... You're not offering up an entirely new product, you're offering up an "upgraded" story version, similar to Sports titles to a certain extent.

Outside of co-op, Resident Evil 5 offers gamers nothing new that 4 didn't... All of the mechanics are pretty much the same...the mini-games are the same... the view is the same... the animations are the same...

For how LONG Resident Evil 5 was in development for, this game should be A LOT more than what it is. The fact that it isn't a lot more than what it is, only further displays how much of a RE 4.5 it truly is.

This "argument" isn't just black and white, there are a ton of gray areas. When you look at other titles that were in development for 3+ years, you see the changes that you'd expect a series to have... RE5 doesn't produce that change, not even close to it.


Eh i just disagree. By your account, just about every sequel is a .5 production. Halo, God Of War, Resistance, Gears of War. None of those titles made significant upgrades or changes to the series and i wouldn't consider any of them .5 productions. Resident Evil 5 is no different than any other follow up game. Your problem isn't with RE5, its just with sequels in general.

[DavePSU]

Eh i just disagree. By your account, just about every sequel is a .5 production. Halo, God Of War, Resistance, Gears of War. None of those titles made significant upgrades or changes to the series and i wouldn't consider any of them .5 productions. Resident Evil 5 is no different than any other follow up game. Your problem isn't with RE5, its just with sequels in general.

A lot of people felt both Halo and Gears of War were .5 upgrades, lol. As for Resistance, it changed a significant portion of its game... the entire color palette changed, they added two different style of online play, both interdependent and separate from offline play (including even the co-op element). Do I like Resistance 2? No, not at all. I didn't like Resistance either.

God of War I to II wasn't much of a change either.

A lot of games do sequels just fine, a lot of other companies like to change very little and just repackage a title.

[IIII 47 IIII]

The only .5 upgrade i can think of recently is the Rainbow Six: Vegas series. THAT i consider a .5 upgrade. Same setting, same basic storyline, same basic weapons. I wouldnt put RE5 in that category.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

A lot of people felt both Halo and Gears of War were .5 upgrades, lol. As for Resistance, it changed a significant portion of its game... the entire color palette changed, they added two different style of online play, both interdependent and separate from offline play (including even the co-op element). Do I like Resistance 2? No, not at all. I didn't like Resistance either.

God of War I to II wasn't much of a change either.

A lot of games do sequels just fine, a lot of other companies like to change very little and just repackage a title.


Halo maybe...but Gears went through the same color pallette deal...the difference in locale is striking. and the camera shift and added functions in Gears makes it a truer sequel than RB6.

[HustlinOwl]

Quick heads up, the Resident Evil 5 demo is up on XBOX LIVE.

IT IS AMAZING!!!!

Any impressions?

[MF Prime]

Hustlin any news when the Ps triple will get the demo if it does happen?...

If not I suppose I will just wait a week and download it on Live.

[HustlinOwl]

5th of Feb

[Point Blank]

I thought the demo was okay. I'll have to play it again sometime.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Any impressions?



For starters the game looks amazing. The controls are pretty damn similar to RE4, but slightly more fluid. The inventory is now done in real time which can be difficult to deal with in the middle of a fight. The co-op works great, when the person controlling Sheeva is a human. Im not too fond of the CPU controlled partner, but i have no intention of playing the game without a human partner. Both demo levels are pretty short and action packed.

[ShopCartRicky]

The demo leaves a lot to be desired. Game had way too much of an arcade feel. Even with the switch to a more action-oriented game the last go around, 4 still kept it's horror roots. This game has lightened up the scenarios and turned it into those old House of the Dead games you'd play in an arcade.

[Griswald]

The demo for this game is on PSN. Downloading it now...

[IIII 47 IIII]

The demo leaves a lot to be desired. Game had way too much of an arcade feel. Even with the switch to a more action-oriented game the last go around, 4 still kept it's horror roots. This game has lightened up the scenarios and turned it into those old House of the Dead games you'd play in an arcade.

Eh, its just a demo, at an early part of the game. If you dont recall, RE4 didnt get chilling until later in the game. The first encounter was just like what you have in 5, when you had kill at least 20 villagers.

[ImWinnin]

played the demo, not impressed...

[IIII 47 IIII]

played the demo, not impressed...


Guess you didnt like 4?

[ShopCartRicky]

Eh, its just a demo, at an early part of the game. If you dont recall, RE4 didnt get chilling until later in the game. The first encounter was just like what you have in 5, when you had kill at least 20 villagers.

It may of not been chilling yet, but it had a horror feel from the get go. Also, this one as i said plays more like an arcade action game and is way too brightened up. Nothing from anything I've seen about it yet has made me think it won't be that way through a majority of the game.

[DomePatrol]

This damn game is a pain in the ass, but its also bad ass.

[Griswald]

I wouldn't pay to rent this game. Damn I love demos.

[Prodigy3]

I wouldn't pay to rent this game. Damn I love demos.

dang man that bad? im dling now what should i expect?

[IIII 47 IIII]

dang man that bad? im dling now what should i expect?

No its not that bad.

[IIII 47 IIII]

It may of not been chilling yet, but it had a horror feel from the get go. Also, this one as i said plays more like an arcade action game and is way too brightened up. Nothing from anything I've seen about it yet has made me think it won't be that way through a majority of the game.

Yea i see where ur coming from, the game does take place in broad daylight in the demo. However this one plays no more like an "arcade action game" than RE4. I mean the one of the first things you had to do in 4 was surrvive a mob trying to kill you.

[Prodigy3]

just played it i've never been into that type of game, however FEAR seems good

[Bartle B]

So, when exactly is the PS3 demo going to come out?

[IIII 47 IIII]

So, when exactly is the PS3 demo going to come out?


Its out now.

[Griswald]

Why do you stay stationary to aim? Is this a mechanic that's been in all RE games? I'd think that if I was being chased by zombies, I'd be moving while squeezing those rounds off. The graphics are beautiful, the sounds are great too. But damn those controls - and yes, they are that bad.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Why do you stay stationary to aim? Is this a mechanic that's been in all RE games? I'd think that if I was being chased by zombies, I'd be moving while squeezing those rounds off. The graphics are beautiful, the sounds are great too. But damn those controls - and yes, they are that bad.

Yea thats a staple of the franchise, its always been in there, always will. The game has never been about run'n'gun(altho the series has kinda shifted that way) The controls are not bad, just different. It takes some time to get use to em, especially for a series noob.

[Mhurricane266]

just played it i've never been into that type of game, however FEAR seems good
I think im going to be giving that fear a shot also

[Ironhorse75]

Why do you stay stationary to aim? Is this a mechanic that's been in all RE games?

Just be glad you weren't around when controlling the character was like driving a tank.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

what sucked worse is going to play what we are used to now, after getting used to that, and being flabbergasted and/or completely unable to translate quickly.

[Prodigy3]

I think im going to be giving that fear a shot also


Sorry for the thread hijack

That Mech was ill at the end of the demo. I didn't like the controls of the game but it was fun enough for me to push through all of that and reach the end of the demo.


RE5 still reminds me of driving a tank. I remember watching my friend play this game a few years back. I was like "why won't you just run when this guy is charging at you with a chainsaw" lol

[IIII 47 IIII]

RE5 still reminds me of driving a tank. I remember watching my friend play this game a few years back. I was like "why won't you just run when this guy is charging at you with a chainsaw" lol


Cuz it wouldnt be Resident Evil and you wouldnt be freaking out hoping that last round in your clip drops the chainsaw freak before said chainsaw reaches you.

[Prodigy3]

Cuz it wouldnt be Resident Evil and you wouldnt be freaking out hoping that last round in your clip drops the chainsaw freak before said chainsaw reaches you.

Oh I understand the reason the game plays like that, Its just not my cup of tea. The game has a huge following so I guess they are doing something right.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Oh I understand the reason the game plays like that, Its just not my cup of tea. The game has a huge following so I guess they are doing something right.


Oh yea, i totally get where ur coming from.

[Mhurricane266]

Sorry for the thread hijack

That Mech was ill at the end of the demo. I didn't like the controls of the game but it was fun enough for me to push through all of that and reach the end of the demo.

RE5 still reminds me of driving a tank. I remember watching my friend play this game a few years back. I was like "why won't you just run when this guy is charging at you with a chainsaw" lol

It was perfect for me.They pretty much rip the controls right out of call of duty programming

[SilkySmooth82]

For my people who remember the merchant from RE4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oXx0qwe0wc

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

that music was epic. It made that video great.

[Jukeum445]

For my people who remember the merchant from RE4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oXx0qwe0wc

LOL!!!!!! madddd funny..lol

[IIII 47 IIII]

Haha, yea iv seen that before, that was great.

['Sider]

Played the demo last night on 360. I actually think the game plays and looks great. My only complaint is having to combine ammo with guns instead of it doing it automatically, but I know thats how the past REs have been so they are just staying the course. I actually like the game and have it reserved.

Im a sucker for nostalgic games

[Jukeum445]

^ ditto.. i'm very imprssed with both demos on the ps3 side and 360.. both look amazing and play smooth..

[Mhurricane266]

Played the demo last night on 360. I actually think the game plays and looks great. My only complaint is having to combine ammo with guns instead of it doing it automatically, but I know thats how the past REs have been so they are just staying the course. I actually like the game and have it reserved.

Im a sucker for nostalgic gamesDid you just press L1 + X to reload? I was stopping to combine bullets to gun also from the pop up screen and he told me I could just press L1 + X, LB + A on the 360. I had myself pretty frustrated with that

[IIII 47 IIII]

Played the demo last night on 360. I actually think the game plays and looks great. My only complaint is having to combine ammo with guns instead of it doing it automatically, but I know thats how the past REs have been so they are just staying the course. I actually like the game and have it reserved.

Im a sucker for nostalgic games


Hah, you dont have to go into the item menu to reload. Theres 3 options to reload, Either hold LT and press A, wait till your ammo runs out then fire on an empty mag and the final option is going into the item screen.

['Sider]

Thanks guys, should make the experience better

['Sider]

^ ditto.. i'm very imprssed with both demos on the ps3 side and 360.. both look amazing and play smooth..


Im gonna download it on my PS3 and see if I can tell a difference. Pretty much the save HDTV, just bigger and 120HZ

[The40Acres]

Played the demo on PS3, will buy it on 360. Resident Evil 4 with a new skin on it. Not a bad thing, but a really good thing.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Played the demo on PS3, will buy it on 360. Resident Evil 4 with a new skin on it. Not a bad thing, but a really good thing.

I think the story is gonna be MUCH better than 4's tho. With the confrontation with Wesker and the Tricell Corp. Cant wait to find out what Wesker has been up to.

[Bartle B]

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/734381/resident-evil-5/videos/re5_spc_rails_montage_030309.html

Insane.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Thats a crazy cool looking monster. Like one of the El Gigantes.

[SilkySmooth82]

$20 gift card from Toys R Us when you buy the game...



http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216257

[IIII 47 IIII]

First look at the Mercenaries Mode in RE5:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/959/959385p1.html

Ign states that the Mercs Mode cant be played online, but according to ReHorror.net this is untrue and that ppl are reporting that you CAN play the mode online.

[HAZE]

$20 gift card from Toys R Us when you buy the game...



http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=216257

I was just gonna post this. That's awesome because I want to get the Sega Sonic Collection and it's only $29 so I'll get both for $70.

I'm glad my fam. gave me cash and not Best Buy cards. :D

[DavePSU]

This game is getting a lot of 7's lately.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Its getting more 9's and 10's than 7's. It got a 7 from Eurogamer, but Eurogamer insists the game is racist so you can just completely throw their cred out. The big ones, IGN and Gamepro both gave the game 9's.

[DavePSU]

Its getting more 9's and 10's than 7's. It got a 7 from Eurogamer, but Eurogamer insists the game is racist so you can just completely throw their cred out. The big ones, IGN and Gamepro both gave the game 9's.

CVG gave it a 7 as well.

Since when does GamePro qualify as "Big ones."

And IGN is a hype review site. They review to the hype, not to the actual game, 90% of the time.

I still can't get over OPM giving it a 100, LOL.

[HustlinOwl]

100 LOL no game is perfect

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

100 doesn't mean perfect....nothing is perfect. IF 100 was perfect, then you shouldn't see a game top out over 80.

[DavePSU]

100 doesn't mean perfect....nothing is perfect. IF 100 was perfect, then you shouldn't see a game top out over 80.

No, it doesn't mean perfect, but a perfect score generally means a game has done something to expand upon a genre or franchise that wasn't thought to be possible.

Resident Evil 5 isn't even close to meeting an expectation like that considering I could probably name a game that does something RE5 does but better.

For example. Elika's AI absolutely destroys Alomar's.

[IIII 47 IIII]

CVG gave it a 7 as well.

Since when does GamePro qualify as "Big ones."

And IGN is a hype review site. They review to the hype, not to the actual game, 90% of the time.

I still can't get over OPM giving it a 100, LOL.

Says a biased review site.....

altho i kind of agree.

[nix]

First look at the Mercenaries Mode in RE5:

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/959/959385p1.html

Ign states that the Mercs Mode cant be played online, but according to ReHorror.net this is untrue and that ppl are reporting that you CAN play the mode online.
http://xbox.joystiq.com/2009/03/09/resident-evil-5s-mercenaries-mode-goes-online/

[IIII 47 IIII]

http://xbox.joystiq.com/2009/03/09/resident-evil-5s-mercenaries-mode-goes-online/

Yea, a buddy of mine has received the game and has confirmed this. I was stoked to hear it.

[DavePSU]

Says a biased review site.....

altho i kind of agree.

Says a biased review site? Lol. Hardly.

Our review scores are actually on average with the average review score for each game about 95% of the time. I can only think of 2 games where we were above average with our review.

Just because we only review PlayStation 3 games, does not make our website bias.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

Well if your reviews are so similar to other sites, why should I bother looking at them?

:ninja:

really, I don't get how your reviews lining up with everybody elses is a good thing. Certain sites have obvious skews; which is perfectly fine. It's up to the gamer to take these reviews and temper them by who they are coming from. Just because one site rated RE5 100 doesn't make them wrong. It makes them think RE5 is 100...your site is allowed to disagree (and also not be wrong).

If a site is pro-platform or pro-genre and you happen to be a fan of that said genre/platform, then the review will match your tastes. If not, you'll disagree. But this is why metacritic is so valuable.

Let's not act like PSU or IGN or any other sites is the best place to get your review for everyone. It should be understood that the peopel reviewing the games can be both unbiased and prefer certain things...

[DavePSU]

Well if your reviews are so similar to other sites, why should I bother looking at them?

:ninja:

really, I don't get how your reviews lining up with everybody elses is a good thing. Certain sites have obvious skews; which is perfectly fine. It's up to the gamer to take these reviews and temper them by who they are coming from. Just because one site rated RE5 100 doesn't make them wrong. It makes them think RE5 is 100...your site is allowed to disagree (and also not be wrong).

If a site is pro-platform or pro-genre and you happen to be a fan of that said genre/platform, then the review will match your tastes. If not, you'll disagree. But this is why metacritic is so valuable.

Let's not act like PSU or IGN or any other sites is the best place to get your review for everyone. It should be understood that the peopel reviewing the games can be both unbiased and prefer certain things...

I never said PSU reviews are the best. He brought the site I work for up, not me. I was merely pointing out that if our site was biased, our review scores would be through the roof for PS3 exclusives when they're not.

Considering our review scores are usually on par with Metacritic's averages, I'd say that sets us significantly apart from standard sites. It means that in comparison to sites that do openly show bias, hype scores, etc... we're still sitting in the average grain furthering the perspective that we provide objective reviews that aren't going to fluctuate depending on the genre, reviewer, platform, etc...

[nix]

What do you do there Dave?

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

I never said PSU reviews are the best. He brought the site I work for up, not me. I was merely pointing out that if our site was biased, our review scores would be through the roof for PS3 exclusives when they're not.

Considering our review scores are usually on par with Metacritic's averages, I'd say that sets us significantly apart from standard sites. It means that in comparison to sites that do openly show bias, hype scores, etc... we're still sitting in the average grain furthering the perspective that we provide objective reviews that aren't going to fluctuate depending on the genre, reviewer, platform, etc...

So you're saying PSU is different because it shows the average view without an obvious bias. Gotcha. I'd say (though I've not read any reviews there) that would make PSU different. I'll be sure to check some out.

[DavePSU]

What do you do there Dave?

I started out just doing news articles and reviews, but now I'm our main event attendee, Director of Public Relations with publishers, developers and third-party PR companies; reviews, previews, interviews, news articles, features, and I manage the community and provide our readers/users with top of the line giveaways.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Says a biased review site? Lol. Hardly.

Our review scores are actually on average with the average review score for each game about 95% of the time. I can only think of 2 games where we were above average with our review.

Just because we only review PlayStation 3 games, does not make our website bias.

I dont trust any website like yours. Be it a website like PSU, or publications like OPM, OXM etc etc. Then again i dont really trust places like IGN either.

[DavePSU]

I dont trust any website like yours. Be it a website like PSU, or publications like OPM, OXM etc etc. Then again i dont really trust places like IGN either.

Good, because we're all trying to lie to you.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Good, because we're all trying to lie to you.

I know ;)

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

I started out just doing news articles and reviews, but now I'm our main event attendee, Director of Public Relations with publishers, developers and third-party PR companies; reviews, previews, interviews, news articles, features, and I manage the community and provide our readers/users with top of the line giveaways.

hiring?

:ninja:

[nix]

I started out just doing news articles and reviews, but now I'm our main event attendee, Director of Public Relations with publishers, developers and third-party PR companies; reviews, previews, interviews, news articles, features, and I manage the community and provide our readers/users with top of the line giveaways.

Cool stuff. You kept saying "we" and I wasn't sure what you meant. Now i do!

[HAZE]

hiring?

:ninja:

This place is up your alley Masta:

www.ZOMGXBOXFTW.com

:D

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

I saw they had an opening, but I'm going to apply here first:

www.GAMEROFTHEYEAR.com/unbiased

[SilkySmooth82]

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n137/postdesktop/Image001-1.jpg





http://www.boratoncampus.com/borat_05_thumbnail.jpg

[IIII 47 IIII]

DUDE! You are like the 8th person i know to get this game. WTF? How is everyone getting this game before me?

[ShopCartRicky]

I got some guy on my friends list who has been playing the game for about a week now. I wasn't at all impressed by the demo, but seeing that he's been playing it I can't help but want to buy it.

[IIII 47 IIII]

I got some guy on my friends list who has been playing the game for about a week now. I wasn't at all impressed by the demo, but seeing that he's been playing it I can't help but want to buy it.


Yea the same thing with me, altho i thought the demo was just what i expected. One of my buddies had the game this time last week and i asked him how he got it but he has yet to answer me.

But why, if you were displeased with the demo, would u want to pick the game up any way? Have you played the other titles?

[ShopCartRicky]

Yea the same thing with me, altho i thought the demo was just what i expected. One of my buddies had the game this time last week and i asked him how he got it but he has yet to answer me.

But why, if you were displeased with the demo, would u want to pick the game up any way? Have you played the other titles?

I loved them all up until 4, which I thought was decent. 4 had a good story and everything but I didn't like the feel of it compared to the others. Wish it would of kept the slower-paced more horror feel rather than going the action route.

but if you're wondering how they got it that early, more than likely they have a flashed dvd drive in their system.

[SilkySmooth82]

DUDE! You are like the 8th person i know to get this game. WTF? How is everyone getting this game before me?


I actually hit up craigslist and found the manager of a small video game store. I was pissed cuz he said he's been selling it since last week lol, but it's cool. He told me he gets pretty much all the big name titles in early, I was like you're going to hear from me a couple more times before the year is over lol.

[IIII 47 IIII]

I loved them all up until 4, which I thought was decent.


Ah got ya. Well then you still owe it to urself as a RE fan to play this next chapter. Chris v Wesker, nuff said!

[ShopCartRicky]

I actually hit up craigslist and found the manager of a small video game store. I was pissed cuz he said he's been selling it since last week lol, but it's cool. He told me he gets pretty much all the big name titles in early, I was like you're going to hear from me a couple more times before the year is over lol.

Any chance you're willing to share this source?

[SilkySmooth82]

Any chance you're willing to share this source?

Lol I doubt it helps unless you're in Jacksonville now.

[IIII 47 IIII]

This game is glorious!

[HAZE]

I'm at Toys R Us now. Just an FYI, the gift card takes 6 hours to activate so you can't use it right away. I'm gonna come back tomorrow for Sonic.

[Terrorblaze]

I got a text today from one of my black friends saying RE5 was the most racist game ever made lol

[Prodigy3]

How?

its got a black girl as one of the lead characters

[DomePatrol]

Killzone 2 is racist towards aliens. I'm not surprised at what RE5 is doing in Africa.

[Bartle B]

LoL at 'Blaze being friends with Al Sharpton.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

Why is it racist? because Tricell affected people who are darker toned than most people used as zombies?

Why wasn't it racist with RE4?

people piss me off.

[Terrorblaze]

IDK I haven't played the game yet, I just got a random text.

I just saw the previews for Resident Evil 5 (a video game) I think thats the most Racist game ever made...your thoughts (hit me up via email preferably ******@yahoo.com)

Mfer is really intelligent (probably top 5 of all the people I know book smarts wise) but my experience tells me the smarter the black person the easier they get offended


...and no im not racist either, just really observant.

[IIII 47 IIII]

The game deals with the progenitor virus, its the virus that started the whole mess that Umbrella created. The game is set in Africa, where humanity itself began. In Africa, and this might be odd to some, but the majority of the population has dark skin, i know, shocker!

This game is no more racist than Super Mario Bros. This game is, tho, absolutely incredible. Its just fantastic, white knuckle action....and i dont care what anyone says, this game still produces that unnerving feeling the series is so well known for.

[CR Knight]

I am having as much fun playing this game than I did RE4. I can see myself replaying it quite a few times. co-op is a great addition, btw.

[IIII 47 IIII]

I am having as much fun playing this game than I did RE4. I can see myself replaying it quite a few times. co-op is a great addition, btw.

Yep, agreed. At this point, 5 hours in and just under the mid way point, im enjoying this more than i did RE 4. Anyone who says the tension or atmosphere that the originals possesed is gone, is lying. This game produces some scares. They may be more of the uneasy atmosphere/environment type rather than the 'jump through windows' type, but nontheless they tighten ur grip on that controller. The marshlands area freaked me out. I knew i didnt wanna go in that water, i damn knew it.

[HAZE]

Yea, I'm glad I got this game. It is fun as Hell and it just keeps you wanting more. The graphics are beautiful and the gameplay is great. We gotta get some Co-op in.

And as far as the racism thing, it's ridiculous. Yes, there are mostly black people in AFRICA, but there are still some whites and hispanics mixed in. Some people just need something to bitch about and I believe those are the truly racist ones because they are constantly looking for things like that.

CR, you have it on 360 or PS3?

[CR Knight]

CR, you have it on 360 or PS3?

both:ninja:

[MaddenWidow]

I played the demo and didn't even finish it. The controls were way to stiff for me to overlook. I may rent this game to give it more of a chance but I doubt I'll be buying it anytime soon.

[HAZE]

I played the demo and didn't even finish it. The controls were way to stiff for me to overlook. I may rent this game to give it more of a chance but I doubt I'll be buying it anytime soon.

Yea, I wasn't crazy about the controls in the demo, but in the full version of the game, they give you little tips as you go as far as using the D-pad to quick-select and hitting X and L1 (PS3) to reload. You get used to the controls very quickly and don't really notice it after a while.

[CR Knight]

I played the demo and didn't even finish it. The controls were way to stiff for me to overlook. I may rent this game to give it more of a chance but I doubt I'll be buying it anytime soon.

I absolutely hated the controls on the demo. hated it to the point that I thinking of not picking it up. Once you get used to them, they are fine. I've been playing non stop since Friday. it's a great game and I am very glad I bought it. Any fan of the series or genre should, at the very least, rent it.

co-op is a blast, btw.

[Terrorblaze]

I got a text today from one of my black friends saying RE5 was the most racist game ever made lol

Here is his reasoning, apparently he posted this on facebook and one of my friends IMed me it


Why I Beleive Resident Evil 5 is Racist
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Reasons why I think the game is racist:

1) The game features numerous racial tropes and stereotypes that have their origin in slave day America: examples (menacing African figures who attack a white Male Protagonist "savior," The portrayal as indigenous Africans as primitive and animalistic, and somewhat tribal like, and a colonial trope of a white Male who's weapons are far sophisticated compared to the more primitive farming and gardening tools and the monstrous African antagonists!

2)The Game thus reaffirms overgeneralizations and stereotypes that have plagued African Americans and indigenous Africans alike for centuries.

3) This violent game, though rated M for Mature, will inevitably find its way into the hands of impressionable children, exposing them to violence, racial stereotypes, and otherwise horrible and pervasive subliminal messaging which shapes both their outlook on reality as well as that of theselves in the eyes of others (predominantly with the Black kids

4) This game is a reflection of both how blacks and Africans are expected to be portrayed in mass media, as well as, how "America the Beautiful" sees third world countries (as primitive, barbaric, heathenish, and otherwise inferior) This lies in the obvious impoverished setting of the game that was neither necessary nor relevant to the main storyline of the game

Responses to some rebuttals I've heard:

"But they're zombies, that's why they look like that"

my counterarguments:

The subtle poignancy of these retorts strikes me as valid in the following sense: If no one regards these depictions as racist than they would cease to be so. Think about it, the word "Nigga" or "Nigger" have no inherent offense or even meaning other than the ones we give it (whether as listener or speaker). And so it is I argue with various stereotypes. In agreement with the Folk Theory of Racism I'd have to conclude that there is nothing inherent to the depictions (and by extension the video game) itself that is racist, rather individuals at thier whim, or subconsciously attribute, or react to what they interpret as racist content.

That said in all fairness, there are classic tropes of early salve-day Racist America nuanced throughout the game. These were rooted in caricatures and stereotypes purposed to demean, dehumanize, and otherwise paint the Negor Slave as inferior to the White man in all ways shape and form. These meangs though contingent upon us are so pervasive and so diminutive that they still carry those pejorative connotations to this day.

"just because they happen to be black zombies doesn't make it racist. The game takes place in Africa, what do you expect?"

My counterarguments:

Even in the opening scenes there were menacing depictions of African males and a riot scene (and all before any virus broke out)

To me, the game is a threat insofar as it (mass communicated) has the power to reaffirm and thus perpetuate racist stereotypes, and racially motivate behavior and or presuppositions people already have about African Americans.

It is this element I see most in the hood when I go to work at Inglewood High tutoring these young Black men, who feel they have to prove their manhood through similar acts of brute force, and gang warfare--often against their own people. Things like this potentially feed the racially motivated feuds between blacks and Mexican in the hood, blacks and whites in the south, etc. insofar as there are still be people to day ignorant enough to voluntarily feed in to these caricatures and stereotypes

It also threatens to perpetuate negative self-image among Black males and females alike. What I mean is this: the game can potentially influence how blacks see themselves in the eyes of other (goes back to Du Bois' double consciousness) yet instead of an inferior image, one of primitive dominance is perpetuated.

"You're the one who's racist. No one takes it that way but you. Its just a video game that was never intended to convey a racist message, and anyone who thinks it does must themselves be racist as this is evidence for unprompted racist thinking"

My counterarguments:

There is some underlying Truth in these statements. In order to interpret racism or decode a racist message, one must first know how to decode messages in this manner; this can be said to imply a certain amount of racism within oneself (insofar as one is rooted in or aware of "racist ideologies"). Taking this game as racist can thus be justly said to imply a certain racist tendency within the interpreter rather than the senders of these messages

However, If I react emphatically to a perceived threat only to discover a later time that I was mistaken, does that necessarily imply something inherently wrong about me in all cases? Can one justly generalize and say, because you flinched when I faked to hit you that you are a wimp generally?

By analogy, if a person is mistaken and perceives something as racist that was not meant that way, can you justly call that person a racist? How would it make sense for that person to find racism objectionable themselves, yet hold racist tenants of their own; thus if a person is really racist, racist comments and or depictions would likely not bother them much.

It is more likely that the person in question is objecting to something perceived as racist because that person truly finds it objectionable and thus is not racist themselves because they have no racial motivations towards others. Thier actions and reprimands are prompted by a perceived "threat" or insult to themselves or a person they care for, rather than racist sentiments

Conclusion:

Are we to interpret all messages in the most positive light possible? Are we to assume the best and give the benefit of all doubts? Should people be depicted in any light without recompense or consequence? Should Africans and Blacks alike just turn a blind eye to such depictions? And further, should they do these things is there no danger or no potential harm they may incur in their willful ignorance and naivety? Is it realistic to assume that no one intends to insult or cause injury with these types of issues? Can we justly expect that willful ignorance will make racism go away?

My argument is that we cannot and must make the seriousness of such things as Resident Evil 5 known

[Bartle B]

How in the fuck are you supposed to prevent the Ogre from hitting you with the boulder if you don't have any explode-able bins nearby?

[Bartle B]

Here is his reasoning, apparently he posted this on facebook and one of my friends IMed me it

No offense to your friend, 'Blaze, but if it's one thing I've learned over my 20 years on this planet, it's that "smart" people love to be offended because it gives them a viable platform to, simply put, mouth off.

Obviously, that does nothing to counter anything of what that dude said, but honestly, who here has the energy or will to actually counter that argument point by point when we all feel the premise behind it is utterly ridiculous?

[IIII 47 IIII]

Here is his reasoning, apparently he posted this on facebook and one of my friends IMed me it

*sigh* Just, no.




1) The game features numerous racial tropes and stereotypes that have their origin in slave day America: examples (menacing African figures who attack a white Male Protagonist "savior," The portrayal as indigenous Africans as primitive and animalistic, and somewhat tribal like, and a colonial trope of a white Male who's weapons are far sophisticated compared to the more primitive farming and gardening tools and the monstrous African antagonists!

Yes, the "indigenous Africans" would be primal considering there is a bio-engineered organic creature living within the individual. This said "B.O.W", or Bio Organic Weapon, attaches itself to the hosts spinal cord before moving into the hosts brain. The host maintains some form of "humanoid" functions, such as the ability to communicate with others, but any other higher functions are dismissed once the organism matures, which takes approx 90 seconds to a few days depending on the type of BOW used. Type 1 is injected into the host as an egg and takes hours to a few days to mature, Type 2 is forced into the host orally and is already matured. Type 2 is what is seen in most of these "indigenous Africans"


3) This violent game, though rated M for Mature, will inevitably find its way into the hands of impressionable children, exposing them to violence, racial stereotypes, and otherwise horrible and pervasive subliminal messaging which shapes both their outlook on reality as well as that of theselves in the eyes of others (predominantly with the Black kids)

Id say thats the parents fault, NOT the games. Dont allow your children to play these violent videogames.

4) This game is a reflection of both how blacks and Africans are expected to be portrayed in mass media, This lies in the obvious impoverished setting of the game that was neither necessary nor relevant to the main storyline of the game

Incorrect. The game deals with what is known as the "Progenitor Virus". The Progenitor Virus was the first strain of virus that created what was known as the T-Virus. The T-Virus was developed by Umbrella(a pharmaceutical corp.) in order to produce bio engineered weapons. In short, it didn't work and the virus was released in a small mid-western town known as Raccoon City. Fast forward approx 10 years and you have the setting of Resident Evil 5. As stated it deals with the Progenitor Virus which was the birth of this current bio terrorism threat, the games setting, Africa is said to the be the birth place of humanity itself. The design choice of having the game set in Africa is quite a relevant one considering the story. A play through of the game and knowledge of the series would lead one to not make the mistakes or jump to the conclusions one has.




Even in the opening scenes there were menacing depictions of African males and a riot scene (and all before any virus broke out)


Incorrect. Because one is infected with the virus, or "Plagas" in this case, does not mean one will show signs of infection, such as a complete lack of rational at all times and the desire to attack on sight. However, once one is infected, their previous thoughts, actions and personalties are all erased and the Plagas takes control, so you would see this "menacing" form of personality throughout the infected.

It is this element I see most in the hood when I go to work at Inglewood High tutoring these young Black men, who feel they have to prove their manhood through similar acts of brute force, and gang warfare--often against their own people. Things like this potentially feed the racially motivated feuds between blacks and Mexican in the hood, blacks and whites in the south, etc. insofar as there are still be people to day ignorant enough to voluntarily feed in to these caricatures and stereotypes

It also threatens to perpetuate negative self-image among Black males and females alike. What I mean is this: the game can potentially influence how blacks see themselves in the eyes of other (goes back to Du Bois' double consciousness) yet instead of an inferior image, one of primitive dominance is perpetuated.


I think a much, much larger culprit here would be the the rap "music" that these kids listen to. Listen to one 50 Cent song and you'll quickly see why so many of these young kids feel the need to "prove their manhood". Resident Evil 5, in no way, perpetuates this.

[IIII 47 IIII]

No offense to your friend, 'Blaze, but if it's one thing I've learned over my 20 years on this planet, it's that "smart" people love to be offended because it gives them a viable platform to, simply put, mouth off.

Obviously, that does nothing to counter anything of what that dude said, but honestly, who here has the energy or will to actually counter that argument point by point when we all feel the premise behind it is utterly ridiculous?


Haha, um, yea i dont know who would do that, haha.

Im in between play throughs of this game and I'm bored.

[CR Knight]

There are much more important thing to be offended with than a video game about zombies.

Anyway, on to the real important things about the game...wasn't the
Wesker cut scene in the beginning of the 3rd chapter the coolest shit ever? Neo ain't got nothing on that MFer!

[SilkySmooth82]

RIP to the merchant from RE4. Wtf at not being able to buy ammo on this one.

[IIII 47 IIII]

RIP to the merchant from RE4. Wtf at not being able to buy ammo on this one.

Yea, I liked the merchant, altho with the inabilty to purchase ammo and the limited item space it's more of a throw to the orig games. Item management and ammo conservation are much more important here than they were in 4.

[HAZE]

So far, it seems they give you ammo right when you need it. Haven't run out yet. Those MFers with the shit comin' out of their heads take a lot of shots too kill.

[Bartle B]

Ugh, those abnormally large zombies in the tribal gear are tough as fuck - not even a magnum takes them out.

[Bartle B]

Anyone else here playing on Veteran in their fist go-round?

[HAZE]

Anyone down for co-op?

[Bartle B]

Anyone down for co-op?

OK, it's high-time I get that fucking headset - and the Dual Shock 3 while I'm at it.

[ShopCartRicky]

so i picked teh game up for $15 from gamestop. Much better than I anticipated and tons better than 4. up there with 2 and the remake of 1 as far as fun goes. However, that being said, I have yet to see the scares mentioned. They pretty much took the horror out of the game. me and my bro are on chapter 3 right now. Playing on veteran for first playthrough. We almost never have ammo. We had to beat one of the chainsaw guys with knives only. Frustrating but satisfying as shit.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Anyone else here playing on Veteran in their fist go-round?

Nah dude, there is no way i could do that. Mad props to you, haha. Iv always gone through my first play through of a Resident Evil on normal. In fact, the only one that iv ever even played on hard was Code Veronica.

[IIII 47 IIII]

so i picked teh game up for $15 from gamestop. Much better than I anticipated and tons better than 4. up there with 2 and the remake of 1 as far as fun goes. However, that being said, I have yet to see the scares mentioned. They pretty much took the horror out of the game. me and my bro are on chapter 3 right now. Playing on veteran for first playthrough. We almost never have ammo. We had to beat one of the chainsaw guys with knives only. Frustrating but satisfying as shit.


Eh, scares are subjective, but i find the game to be quite suspenseful. They aren't the pop out and make u jump scares, but the overall atmosphere is just uneasy, especially in the marshlands. I relate it to the first Alien movie. You rarely saw the Alien, but it was the atmosphere of the ship that got to you, i feel the same way here. I still agree that the game isn't nearly as terrifying as the orig games tho, the series has deff moved towards more of a fast paced game play, altho I'm finding the item space and ammo availability to be much closer to the orig series. Most of the time the only rounds i have are whats in my weapon at the time. Good stuff!

[Bartle B]

Playing on veteran for first playthrough. We almost never have ammo. We had to beat one of the chainsaw guys with knives only. Frustrating but satisfying as shit.

You know, the beauty of not only this game but playing on Veteran is to not fight all the enemies; that and using the environment to help you. I have never been that strapped for ammo where both my AI-controlled Sheva and I are running around with stung guns and knives. Even though this is a more action oriented game, it's still not a shoot 'em up game, you can't fight every single enemy if the situation (i.e., the death of all enemies is a prerequisite to your advancement) does not call for it.

[ShopCartRicky]

You know, the beauty of not only this game but playing on Veteran is to not fight all the enemies; that and using the environment to help you. I have never been that strapped for ammo where both my AI-controlled Sheva and I are running around with stung guns and knives. Even though this is a more action oriented game, it's still not a shoot 'em up game, you can't fight every single enemy if the situation (i.e., the death of all enemies is a prerequisite to your advancement) does not call for it.

honestly, if we didn't kill everything, and we weren't constantly strapped, the game probably wouldn't be as fun. The lack of ammo is the only thing creating a sense of difficulty thus far.

[Spec]

Does anyone know if you can keep your current weapons w/upgrades on the 2nd playthrough while increasing the difficulty?

[ShopCartRicky]

You can.

[Spec]

Isn't it a shame that you can't exchange weapons with your partner?

[SilkySmooth82]

Yea, I liked the merchant, altho with the inabilty to purchase ammo and the limited item space it's more of a throw to the orig games. Item management and ammo conservation are much more important here than they were in 4.


That's the thing though, the core gameplay isn't like the original games, in fact it's the complete opposite. So why make that one aspect like the original games? Doesn't make sense to me.

[HAZE]

The inventory stuff is a pain in the dick. That would be my only complaint. I didn't realize when you discard something, you can't pick it up again. Also, what's the deal with the melee vest? It really blows that it takes up a whole spot in your inventory. I thought you'd be able to equip it but I guess not. I spent $10,000 on that MFer and lost an inventory slot.

[ShimSham]

Beat it this weekend at a friend's house. Didn't like it near as much as RE4 and was pretty much totally disappointed.

Overall, it wasn't a horrible game but it had a lot of really frustrating aspects that really hurt the game.

Bosses were totally uninspired. You fight one type of boss twice. You fight another type of boss like 4-5 times.

Inventory system was horrible in every possible way. Game would have been helped out a ton with just the inclusion of RE4's inventory system.

Though I never played by myself, I did watch another friend do a singleplayer campaign. Partner AI has some fundamental problems that make the inventory system even worse.

Game could have been exponentially better with just the RE4 inventory system and the option to play without a partner.

[HAZE]

Isn't it a shame that you can't exchange weapons with your partner?

You can, as long as you have enough inventory slots available. The AI is pretty good with recognizing the ammo that you're using and giving it to you automatically. But I swear, if this bitch shoots me in the back one omore fucking time, I'm gonna feed her to the zombies.

[ShimSham]

I know you can't exchange weapons with your partner if you're playing co-op and one player found the weapon and the other didn't.

For instance, me and a friend beat the game. But then another friend decided he wanted to play so they started a new game +. My friend had all of his weapons from before but couldn't give them to the new guy.

[IIII 47 IIII]

That's the thing though, the core gameplay isn't like the original games, in fact it's the complete opposite. So why make that one aspect like the original games? Doesn't make sense to me.

No, thats not entirely true. Sure the gameplay is faster than the orig titles, but you are still expected to pick and choose your battles, that much hasnt changed.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Inventory system was horrible in every possible way. Game would have been helped out a ton with just the inclusion of RE4's inventory system.

Though I never played by myself, I did watch another friend do a singleplayer campaign. Partner AI has some fundamental problems that make the inventory system even worse.

Game could have been exponentially better with just the RE4 inventory system and the option to play without a partner.

I couldn't disagree with that more. The real time inventory is leaps and bounds better than the game stopping previous inventories. The fact that you can no longer pause the game as a group of enemies closes in goes a long way to increasing the tension. I just finished playing RE4 before this game came out and the new inventory just works better. I also like the fact that you have limited space, it's closer to the orig titles than 4 was.

[IIII 47 IIII]

The inventory stuff is a pain in the dick. That would be my only complaint. I didn't realize when you discard something, you can't pick it up again. Also, what's the deal with the melee vest? It really blows that it takes up a whole spot in your inventory. I thought you'd be able to equip it but I guess not. I spent $10,000 on that MFer and lost an inventory slot.

Feel lucky that u can discard anything, in the orig games if u picked up those ink ribbons and filled up ur inventory, u were stuck til ya found an item box.

[Spec]

You can, as long as you have enough inventory slots available. The AI is pretty good with recognizing the ammo that you're using and giving it to you automatically. But I swear, if this bitch shoots me in the back one omore fucking time, I'm gonna feed her to the zombies.

LOL!!!

I have been playing Co-Op with the same guy from the beginning and we can't exchange weapons???

[DavePSU]

so i picked teh game up for $15 from gamestop. Much better than I anticipated and tons better than 4. up there with 2 and the remake of 1 as far as fun goes. However, that being said, I have yet to see the scares mentioned. They pretty much took the horror out of the game. me and my bro are on chapter 3 right now. Playing on veteran for first playthrough. We almost never have ammo. We had to beat one of the chainsaw guys with knives only. Frustrating but satisfying as shit.

Don't worry, despite what some in this thread may have you think, even Capcom acknowledges that they've literally changed the entire franchise with Resident Evil 5. It's no longer meant to be "Resident Evil." Which is why they've killed off so many of the original characters etc,.

[SilkySmooth82]

Don't worry, despite what some in this thread may have you think, even Capcom acknowledges that they've literally changed the entire franchise with Resident Evil 5. It's no longer meant to be "Resident Evil." Which is why they've killed off so many of the original characters etc,.

Exactly which is why I don't understand why they tried to keep certain aspects like limited ammo and inventory slots. Game is still dope with a partner though, but it feels confused lol.

[CR Knight]

finished up chapter 3 last night...

lol @ "I had an extreme make-over!!" so cheesy and over-the-top. funny though

[IIII 47 IIII]

finished up chapter 3 last night...

lol @ "I had an extreme make-over!!" so cheesy and over-the-top. funny though

Haha, it wouldnt be Resident Evil without at least one.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Exactly which is why I don't understand why they tried to keep certain aspects like limited ammo and inventory slots. Game is still dope with a partner though, but it feels confused lol.


Because the game isnt meant to be Gears of War.

[HAZE]

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[ShopCartRicky]

Don't worry, despite what some in this thread may have you think, even Capcom acknowledges that they've literally changed the entire franchise with Resident Evil 5. It's no longer meant to be "Resident Evil." Which is why they've killed off so many of the original characters etc,.

I understand that, however, imo that is the game's biggest flaw. I said it's behind 2 and 1 as far as fun goes, however, that level of fun is quite steep.

^I wish I could word that a lil better, but work has my brain fried right now.

[IIII 47 IIII]

The statement "Its no longer meant to be Resident Evil" is ridiculous. 5 doesnt push the series any further from the orig games than 4 did. I think that it actually takes a step closer to the orig titles than 4 did.

[ShimSham]

I couldn't disagree with that more. The real time inventory is leaps and bounds better than the game stopping previous inventories. The fact that you can no longer pause the game as a group of enemies closes in goes a long way to increasing the tension. I just finished playing RE4 before this game came out and the new inventory just works better. I also like the fact that you have limited space, it's closer to the orig titles than 4 was.
Oh I understand it's meant to create a sense of panic and tension that RE thrives on but it crosses a line between tension and panic, and tedious and frustrating.

In RE4 you had limited space too, you just had more of it. It prevented you from having problems of constantly having to micromanage your inventory through combining, trading and discarding just to get enough room to pick up some bullets and reload your gun.

It ruined the pacing of the game so many times. Me and a friend would be moving through levels pretty well and then we'd run low on ammo and we'd find some more, only to have to spend a few minutes reorganizing everything and reloading the right weapons and making space. It was unnecessary.

And as for adding tension, it does do that. But in some of the late battles it makes the game nearly unplayable. When all the zombies have guns you practically can't reorganize your shit to make room to reload weapons.

Plus the new inventory system basically says a grenade launcher is the same size as a handgun. At least in RE4, if you wanted to carry a rocket launcher you had to make sacrifices in the fact that it'd take up a lot more space in your suitcase.


I just went and snagged RE4 for the Wii and returned RE5 to blockbuster. Overall, I liked RE5, but there were too many things like the inventory that drove me crazy.

[DavePSU]

I understand that, however, imo that is the game's biggest flaw. I said it's behind 2 and 1 as far as fun goes, however, that level of fun is quite steep.

^I wish I could word that a lil better, but work has my brain fried right now.

It is the game's biggest flaw and it's something I've tried to point out several times. Ah well.

The statement "Its no longer meant to be Resident Evil" is ridiculous. 5 doesnt push the series any further from the orig games than 4 did. I think that it actually takes a step closer to the orig titles than 4 did.

No, it isn't ridiculous. It's from Capcom specifically. That makes it fact, regardless of how you feel as they developed the title.

“Resident evil 5 is really setting the franchise up for what’s going to happen now going forwards, so establishing new characters and storylines, and pretty much a new direction for the game.”

“If you’re late to the party and you haven’t been playing the games for the past 15 years, all you need to know is that the game’s a lot of fun and just filled with action, so you don’t have to worry about the plot, as we’re kind up picking up and starting afresh.”

These two quotes say all they need to say about Resident Evil 5. It's no longer truly the "same franchise."

They don't even expect people to care about what happened over the course of the last 4 games, lmao. They've basically turned Resident Evil into an action title with an entirely new direction from what the franchise is built on.

Way to go Capcom.

[IIII 47 IIII]

It is the game's biggest flaw and it's something I've tried to point out several times. Ah well.



No, it isn't ridiculous. It's from Capcom specifically. That makes it fact, regardless of how you feel as they developed the title.





These two quotes say all they need to say about Resident Evil 5. It's no longer truly the "same franchise."

They don't even expect people to care about what happened over the course of the last 4 games, lmao. They've basically turned Resident Evil into an action title with an entirely new direction from what the franchise is built on.

Way to go Capcom.

I just don't buy that Capcom stated it "is no longer meant to be Resident Evil". I'm thinking you just misheard or misread a statement. As for stating that they expect ppl not to care, thats just untrue. If that were the case we wouldn't be playing as Chris or Leon in 4. We would have gone away completely from all old characters and events. We haven't. We wouldn't hear anymore about Umbrella or the past events in Raccoon City. As it is, we are getting snippets of past titles, in terms of characters and events. Also, just how long do you expect them to drag out the Umbrella/T-Virus storyline??? There isn't much there anymore, the public has lost complete faith in Umbrella and Umbrella is in shambles compared to what they once were, its time to talk about other players/virus' in the Bio Terrorism epidemic. Tricell is a good one to talk about as well as the Plagas.

[DavePSU]

I just don't buy that Capcom stated it "is no longer meant to be Resident Evil". I'm thinking you just misheard or misread a statement. As for stating that they expect ppl not to care, thats just untrue. If that were the case we wouldn't be playing as Chris or Leon in 4. We would have gone away completely from all old characters and events. We haven't. We wouldn't hear anymore about Umbrella or the past events in Raccoon City. As it is, we are getting snippets of past titles, in terms of characters and events. Also, just how long do you expect them to drag out the Umbrella/T-Virus storyline??? There isn't much there anymore, the public has lost complete faith in Umbrella and Umbrella is in shambles compared to what they once were, its time to talk about other players/virus' in the Bio Terrorism epidemic. Tricell is a good one to talk about as well as the Plagas.

This entire paragraph will have a different feel once you beat the game and see exactly how much you just said ends up being untrue, lol.

[IIII 47 IIII]

This entire paragraph will have a different feel once you beat the game and see exactly how much you just said ends up being untrue, lol.

I highly doubt that. Im quite close to the end and everything iv stated has already happened, so no, i dont think anything will have a different feel.

[DavePSU]

I highly doubt that. Im quite close to the end and everything iv stated has already happened, so no, i dont think anything will have a different feel.

If that's the case, then you're completely oblivious to what's going on with Resident Evil to begin with.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

Without playing the game Dave, I can say you either think you know too much, or don't understand that 47 could still see the game as a bonafide resident evil, in spite of the changes.

I'll know once I play, but I doubt it isn't the same RE, just evolved for a different audience.

On the other hand, they wouldn't be talking 'reboot' at all 47 if they didn't feel it was shifting some.

[DavePSU]

Without playing the game Dave, I can say you either think you know too much, or don't understand that 47 could still see the game as a bonafide resident evil, in spite of the changes.

I'll know once I play, but I doubt it isn't the same RE, just evolved for a different audience.

On the other hand, they wouldn't be talking 'reboot' at all 47 if they didn't feel it was shifting some.

Lol Resident Evil is based solely around Zombies. It was for the first what? 10 years of the franchise? 4-6 different games? Now, it isn't. There is no way you can justify seeing that as "Resident Evil" when not even the developers are touting it as such.

This would be like Super Mario all of a sudden taking on alien races to save the world and calling it Super Mario Bros 4.

When the communications specialist is telling people that this game signifies an entirely new direction for the franchise itself, it's no longer the same franchise, it's changed, as stated.

The only reason this game "looks/feels" like Resident Evil is because you still can't move/shoot and you still have a limited inventory. Outside of that, the entire game itself is nothing like the true Resident Evils of the past.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

The story can't change or evolve?

When the communications specialist is telling people that this game signifies an entirely new direction for the franchise itself, it's no longer the same franchise, it's changed, as stated.New direction does not equate new franchise. Period. It's still RE, but with a different flavor.

If they created an offshoot and titled it something other than RE, then it isn't RE.

Anyway, this is a game, not a movie, so as long as the basic gameplay tenets are the same or only slightly changed, and especially if the characters are consistent, it isn't anythig other than a new RE.

RE4 was a much more drastic change for the franchise with the inclusion of a store and over the shoulder camera angle. But it was still RE. Just like this is.

Street Fighter IV is still Street Fighter even though it's 3D...because it has many of the same characters, and it's a 2D plane fighting game.

Fallout 3 is still Fallout even though it's FPS and in 3D.

Final Fantasy XII is still Final Fantasy even though it doesn't use ATB or turn based battles. (I could argue this was the first of the FFs taht isn't truely a FF, but that's another argument totally)

So RE is still RE. In spite of all its changes. If they didn't attempt a drastic remake this late in the franchise's life, it likely wouldn't have gotten another shot at a good game later. But drastic remake is not always complete departure. I'd guarantee this shift brings new fans in, as it holds on to older fans more than a straight cookie-cutter zombie outbreak RE.

[DavePSU]

The story can't change or evolve?

New direction does not equate new franchise. Period. It's still RE, but with a different flavor.

If they created an offshoot and titled it something other than RE, then it isn't RE.

Anyway, this is a game, not a movie, so as long as the basic gameplay tenets are the same or only slightly changed, and especially if the characters are consistent, it isn't anythig other than a new RE.

RE4 was a much more drastic change for the franchise with the inclusion of a store and over the shoulder camera angle. But it was still RE. Just like this is.

Street Fighter IV is still Street Fighter even though it's 3D...because it has many of the same characters, and it's a 2D plane fighting game.

Fallout 3 is still Fallout even though it's FPS and in 3D.

Final Fantasy XII is still Final Fantasy even though it doesn't use ATB or turn based battles. (I could argue this was the first of the FFs taht isn't truely a FF, but that's another argument totally)

So RE is still RE. In spite of all its changes. If they didn't attempt a drastic remake this late in the franchise's life, it likely wouldn't have gotten another shot at a good game later. But drastic remake is not always complete departure. I'd guarantee this shift brings new fans in, as it holds on to older fans more than a straight cookie-cutter zombie outbreak RE.

Actually a ton of the old fans are steadily jumping ship.

The difference between the games you mentioned and Resident Evil is those games were STILL true to their origins.

FFXII was STILL the same concept plot-wise as all the one's before. Corrupt political power needs to be stopped in some form.

SFIV? Same concept as the ones before it.

Fallout 3? Post-apocalyptic world and you're one of the few survivors.

I don't even consider RE4 to be a true Resident Evil either. This Resident Evil throws out the roots of zombies entirely, which is the completely opposite of the other titles you mentioned.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

Actually a ton of the old fans are steadily jumping ship.


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Of all the players on my Frineds List and I know in real life, only two think it isn't a great game and not RE. You'd be the third to vehemently say it isn't.

FFXII was STILL the same concept plot-wise as all the one's before. Corrupt political power needs to be stopped in some form.That's most JRPGs. But particularly to FF was it's gameplay...because the gameplay is what makes the game more than everything else. If Super Mario was FPS is isn't Super Mario, even if you have to rescue the princess.

FF particularly, the typecasting as far as characters, plot and environment is limited...so the non-interactive parts are all similar, but FAR from the same. VII is nothing like X, IX nothing like III. XII isn't a true FF in that Hironobu Sakaguchi wasn't invovled. It isn't because it's real-time, and tradiitionl JRPGS are turn-based. It's far from a bad game, but it is farther from a previous FF than RE5 is from the RE series.

The difference between the games you mentioned and Resident Evil is those games were STILL true to their origins.

Same concept as the ones before it.

Fallout 3? Post-apocalyptic world and you're one of the few survivors.

I don't even consider RE4 to be a true Resident Evil either. This Resident Evil throws out the roots of zombies entirely, which is the completely opposite of the other titles you mentioned.This makes your perspective make sense.

Still, to explore unexplained parts of the canon isn't necessarily far from the origins, they are just origins you didn't expect.

Or, they are going in a different direction.

Kind of like playing as Raiden in MGS2 (the frist couple days after release fanboys went nuts)...at first it doens't fit, but looking back at it it helped make it The Metal Gear Solid Saga, even though you were supposed to play as Solid Snake all the time, or so you thought. (MGS3 was less of a blow as far as NOT being Solid thanks to Raiden)

Fanboys are fickle and too easily swayed with short term changes. I'm excited more now than I was before to see where RE goes from here. It has options. Had it stuck to the basic survival horror genre it created, it wouldn't be getting this much pub, that's for damn sure.

[DavePSU]

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Of all the players on my Frineds List and I know in real life, only two think it isn't a great game and not RE. You'd be the third to vehemently say it isn't.

That's most JRPGs. But particularly to FF was it's gameplay...because the gameplay is what makes the game more than everything else. If Super Mario was FPS is isn't Super Mario, even if you have to rescue the princess.

FF particularly, the typecasting as far as characters, plot and environment is limited...so the non-interactive parts are all similar, but FAR from the same. VII is nothing like X, IX nothing like III. XII isn't a true FF in that Hironobu Sakaguchi wasn't invovled. It isn't because it's real-time, and tradiitionl JRPGS are turn-based. It's far from a bad game, but it is farther from a previous FF than RE5 is from the RE series.

This makes your perspective make sense.

Still, to explore unexplained parts of the canon isn't necessarily far from the origins, they are just origins you didn't expect.

Or, they are going in a different direction.

Kind of like playing as Raiden in MGS2 (the frist couple days after release fanboys went nuts)...at first it doens't fit, but looking back at it it helped make it The Metal Gear Solid Saga, even though you were supposed to play as Solid Snake all the time, or so you thought. (MGS3 was less of a blow as far as NOT being Solid thanks to Raiden)

Fanboys are fickle and too easily swayed with short term changes. I'm excited more now than I was before to see where RE goes from here. It has options. Had it stuck to the basic survival horror genre it created, it wouldn't be getting this much pub, that's for damn sure.

Resident Evil sells on name alone. It would have gotten this much publicity regardless. The fact it averages a lower approval rating than the original 3 says everything it needs to.

Every game has options, but as I stated before, when the developer themselves come out and say the first 13 years of Resident Evil don't matter when it comes to those coming to pick up Resident Evil 5 because they're taking it entirely in a new direction, it speaks volumes. It proves to be better financially to keep the name and kill off 98% of the main characters from the series up to this point than it does to change the name of the title and hope to land big with a new IP.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

That statement is saddening and maddening at the same time, because I know that much, but didn't think it would be an intentional tactic used to whore out one of the truly great franchises in gaming history.

Madden does this, and FF seemed like they might be.

[DavePSU]

That statement is saddening and maddening at the same time, because I know that much, but didn't think it would be an intentional tactic used to whore out one of the truly great franchises in gaming history.

Madden does this, and FF seemed like they might be.

Well think about it. What's left after Chris Redfield from the original Resident Evil franchises? Nothing? Everyone else seems to have been killed in some form or fashion, there is nothing to tie everything back up like Metal Gear Solid 4 did. It's just all new and fresh in every way after this. As though this game was used as a catalyst to start something new. Sure, Tricell is a new form of bio-warfare, but really?

I'm not going to put out spoilers of any kind to back up all of my thoughts on the subject because I don't like doing that (other than to piss people off, lol), but I just can't give Capcom credit for keeping Resident Evil 5 true to its name when they've completely abandoned all roots and origins of the entire series. As you stated, FFXII may have gone to a real-time system, but they still utilized Summons, an upgrade system, etc... Outside of the fact you could now fight in real-time, FFXII was STILL Final Fantasy at heart. Raiden was playable in MGS2, but MGS2 was still MGS2 and it tied in perfectly when MGS4 wrapped a lot up.

Where can Resident Evil 5 tie-in unless they do a prequel (how could they even do one)? It just seems like they hit their dead-end and this is the new road to take.

PS: I'm glad 47 loves it and so do A LOT of other people. It's selling at an alarming rate in comparison to most games over the last 4-5 years, but at the heart of it all, I feel Capcom lost its way with the franchise itself. It's almost as though they milked Umbrella for so long that when it came time to make a change, a new direction, this is all they could come up with.

[IIII 47 IIII]

If that's the case, then you're completely oblivious to what's going on with Resident Evil to begin with.

I can assure you thats not the case.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Lol Resident Evil is based solely around Zombies. It was for the first what? 10 years of the franchise? 4-6 different games? Now, it isn't. There is no way you can justify seeing that as "Resident Evil" when not even the developers are touting it as such.

Hah, no the game was not based solely around zombies, at all. The game was based around a biological weapon gone awry, the zombies were a result of said mishap, so were the Cerberus', hunters(altho they were a success to a degree), licker's, chimera etc etc etc. Up until 4, the game focused on the T- Virus, the virus responsible for the previously mentioned mistakes. Once 4 came along, the series moved away from the T-Virus to focus on a new viral threat, the Plagas, but the core element of a Biologically engineered weapon(s) remained.

[DavePSU]

Hah, no the game was not based solely around zombies, at all. The game was based around a biological weapon gone awry, the zombies were a result of said mishap, so were the Cerberus', hunters(altho they were a success to a degree), licker's, chimera etc etc etc. Up until 4, the game focused on the T- Virus, the virus responsible for the previously mentioned mistakes. Once 4 came along, the series moved away from the T-Virus to focus on a new viral threat, the Plagas, but the core element of a Biologically engineered weapon(s) remained.

Lol, no kidding. Try taking what I'm saying in context please.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Im not saying the game hasnt evolved and been altered to fit a more ADD riddled crowd, but in the end, the core game is still very much RE. If that cant be seen then, well one needs to go back and play through the games again.

[DavePSU]

Im not saying the game hasnt evolved and been altered to fit a more ADD riddled crowd, but in the end, the core game is still very much RE. If that cant be seen then, well one needs to go back and play through the games again.

The core game was the entire Umbrella era. Bringing in another company with a different virus is either going to create one of two things...

1) Milking of the franchise (which this isn't).

2) Creating an entirely new franchise without taking the risk of changing the name but keeping the gameplay mechanics in tact, to an extent (which RE4/5 is).

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RE4 and 5 lack the "survival-horror" aspect of the game like the original trilogy and a couple of the "spin-off" titles offered. Just because they limit the ammo amount does not give it the same "survival" appeal. They've literally taken the game into the action genre rather than the Survival-Horror genre on which the foundation of the entire franchise was built on.

[IIII 47 IIII]

The core game was the entire Umbrella era. Bringing in another company with a different virus is either going to create one of two things...

1) Milking of the franchise (which this isn't).

2) Creating an entirely new franchise without taking the risk of changing the name but keeping the gameplay mechanics in tact, to an extent (which RE4/5 is).

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RE4 and 5 lack the "survival-horror" aspect of the game like the original trilogy and a couple of the "spin-off" titles offered. Just because they limit the ammo amount does not give it the same "survival" appeal. They've literally taken the game into the action genre rather than the Survival-Horror genre on which the foundation of the entire franchise was built on.

Yea i can agree with that. I'm not going to argue that the survival horror that the series was built on has remained completely intact. The core premise of the game was still the creation and exploitation of biological weapons, that hasn't changed. The game play is deff faster in order to appeal to a larger crowd as i stated before, but as a die hard fan of the series, i still feel there is plenty there that ties 4 and 5 to the orig games(5 much moreso than 4). I absolutely love the original titles, and i love what we have now and i cant wait to see where the series goes next.

[ShimSham]

Having just now played RE4 on the Wii for the first time, all I have to say is wow. Shooting with the wiimote under that control system is pretty great.

Didn't want to make a new thread to say that.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

As you stated, FFXII may have gone to a real-time system, but they still utilized Summons, an upgrade system, etc... Outside of the fact you could now fight in real-time, FFXII was STILL Final Fantasy at heart.

Unless you are a FF fanboy, this isn't an argument you can win with me. The minutia of a FF are things most regular players won't notice, but even the obvious things aren't the same.

Just saying 'outside of the fact you fight in real time it's still a FF' is just as drastic as saying 'outside of the fact all of the characters from previous REs are gone it's still a RE', in fact, it's moreso. It's the integral way you interact with the world in a RPG, and going from ATB/Turn-Based to Real Time turned off more FF fans than RE5 will turn off RE fans, and that's guaranteed.

It is a JRPG, but it's more akin to a Star Ocean than a FF. Lost Odyssey is more FF than XII. Hell, Blue Dragon is...and the reason is the top creative minds behind what defined FF left Square. Hironobu Sakaguchi MADE that series. Tetsuya Nomura, the lead character guy in earlier FFs and lead guy in general for versus XIII and KH is still there...but his style isn't classic FF. So new stuff will not resemble FFs of old. It's just the way of things...

All that said, FFXII is one of the better RPGs I've played. And most American/younger gamers don't hae a tolerance for Turn-Based anymore, so the development was evolutinary rather than outright changing the formula. But you don't get it unless you are a FF enthusiast. Just playing them and beating them isn't enough experience for you to have to say XII is baiscally the same. It wasn't.

I take RE5 in a simialr vein.

[IIII 47 IIII]

Having just now played RE4 on the Wii for the first time, all I have to say is wow. Shooting with the wiimote under that control system is pretty great.

Didn't want to make a new thread to say that.

I havent tried it, as i dont have a Wii, but thats what iv heard. Im hoping for a REmake of RE2 on the Wii, that way ill be forced to purchase one.

[DavePSU]

Yea i can agree with that. I'm not going to argue that the survival horror that the series was built on has remained completely intact. The core premise of the game was still the creation and exploitation of biological weapons, that hasn't changed. The game play is deff faster in order to appeal to a larger crowd as i stated before, but as a die hard fan of the series, i still feel there is plenty there that ties 4 and 5 to the orig games(5 much moreso than 4). I absolutely love the original titles, and i love what we have now and i cant wait to see where the series goes next.

The problem that causes is the fact that people played Resident Evil for the entire point of it being "You Vs Umbrella Corp." That WAS the pull of the entire franchise, as it was with the movies as well. People who grew up playing this series always knew it was you vs them. Throwing in an entirely new company to hate is as close to milking a franchise as you can get without actually milking it, IMO.

It's not that I don't think RE4/5 aren't good games in their own right, because they are. It's just that by changing the entire concept and core conflict has created an entirely new perspective for the game rather than keeping the old one in tact. I think the best analogy possible would be if Guerilla Games took Killzone 3 and created a new enemy instead of the Helghast for you to fight. What if Epic took Gears of War and you no longer fought Locusts but an entirely new enemy.

Those franchises would ultimately lose their appeal because the nostalgia and foundation in which everyone grew up on was no longer the core focus of the series.

For me, that's a problem. If I wanted to play a game that wasn't Me Vs. Umbrella Corp, I'd find another franchise to do it with. I like/love/bought Resident Evil because that's what it provided for me and what it was originally created to do.

I buy Madden because I want as close to a sim-like experience as possible...if I didn't, I'd buy NFL Tour. Could you imagine if Madden turned into Tour? It would be ridiculous, but it would still be football. Kind of like Resident Evil 5 is completely different, but it's "still" Resident Evil because of biochemical warfare.