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BME

01-10-2009, 08:37 AM

Welcome -

Please post all comments, concerns, etc in this thread.

Colts44

01-10-2009, 01:03 PM

So BME is it ok if we talk about trades with current owners and/or begin cuts with the current teams?

BonesMahoney

01-10-2009, 04:57 PM

Are the Bucs seriously still paying Jake Plummer? 4 Mill???

Maddict

01-10-2009, 06:02 PM

i dont know where you got your cap figures but the texans one is dead wrong.. we (finally!) have alot of cap room this year

you have us at $3.5 m when in reality its about $30m

http://www.inthebullseye.com/cap2009.html

HustlinOwl

01-10-2009, 06:06 PM

so please take these estimates as just that... estimates.

September LOL

Cigaro

01-10-2009, 06:41 PM

So, who wants Jake Delhomme?

HustlinOwl

01-10-2009, 07:52 PM

I'm finding different salary numbers as well?

BME

01-10-2009, 09:50 PM

As I mentioned. There are different numberrs everywhere. I figured this would be an issue.

BME

01-10-2009, 11:36 PM

Everyone is going to have different numbers. Of course, there would be people not happy with their cap. That is expected - how should this be solved?

I refuse to give everyone a set cap number like last year. That wasn't fair - Give suggestions if you have them

HustlinOwl

01-10-2009, 11:42 PM

Well with some of those Cap numbers as is, teams are not even going to be able to sign rookies LOL

BME

01-11-2009, 12:05 AM

Every year teams don't have much cap space, but they make cuts or reconstruction. It's just like real life.

HustlinOwl

01-11-2009, 12:08 AM

These look more in line to me, but again with all of these numbers out there it is hard to know which is correct

Tdoggy

01-11-2009, 08:13 AM

Those look pretty off to me

Hombre

01-11-2009, 08:59 AM

Josh Reed, Aaron Schobel, and Ko Simpson are all on the block for the Bills

Dirty-Dozen

01-11-2009, 01:59 PM

Falcons with only 7 mill. Where is all that money goin to?

MannyBeltre

01-11-2009, 02:21 PM

What about these projections? To see other teams just look on the right hand side.

Link: Fox Sports (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/team/seattle-seahawks/salary)

With that, personally I would have a lot more cap room then what was originally projected, but totals for all teams really fluctuate till after the Super Bowl.

Colts44

01-11-2009, 02:25 PM

That's 2008 numbers. We want the 2009 projections.

Tdoggy

01-11-2009, 02:31 PM

The Niners should have between 20-30 million. And that's before Alex Smith's contract is restructured and possible extensions come.

BME

01-11-2009, 02:57 PM

We can hold off till after the SB to find the cap numbers.

If that's what works for everyone. I'd like to get the most truest number for each team.

BME

01-11-2009, 03:21 PM

Still waiting to hear from Dlips, E, Rylo, Facough to sign up.

Plus, teams still open.

SaveOurSaints

01-11-2009, 03:36 PM

I just totaled the "team payroll" for the saints (doesn't include UFA's or RFA's). And the total team payroll equalled $64,760,000

Which gives me alot more than the 8 million estimated that was allocated for me. Something isn't right. I will see what I can find.

Dirty-Dozen

01-11-2009, 03:40 PM

Yea, im pretty sure falcons have 25 mill or higher to spend in FA. I can't see how would they only have 7 mill in cap room when they are hardly payin that many players alot of money.

Colts44

01-11-2009, 03:43 PM

HustlinOwl

01-11-2009, 03:50 PM

BME do you want me to take the Pats again?

Juggernaut

01-11-2009, 04:03 PM

What happens if we're missing some people from our roster?

or have too many on one position?

BME

01-11-2009, 04:13 PM

Example Jugg?

Juggernaut

01-11-2009, 04:16 PM

I dont have tj jackson on my active roster

and RFA 64 Rudy Niswanger C isn't on my list, should i just add him? But i need to know what the compensation is for jackson

and rb dantrell savage

BME

01-11-2009, 04:25 PM

Ok, they aren't on your active 52? Add them in.

Or are they FA and they aren't listed on the FA list I have?

Compensation for what?

Juggernaut

01-11-2009, 04:34 PM

Ok, they aren't on your active 52? Add them in.

Or are they FA and they aren't listed on the FA list I have?

Compensation for what?

Players missing from the active roster:

RB Jed Collins
RB Dantrell Savage
OG Brian De La Puente
OG Edwin Harrison
OT Tavares Washington
DE Wallace Gilberry
DT TJ Jackson
DE Derek Lokey

SaveOurSaints

01-11-2009, 04:35 PM

I wonder how many years in a row I get to cut Josh Bullucks.

BME

01-11-2009, 04:41 PM

Players missing from the active roster:

RB Jed Collins
RB Dantrell Savage
OG Brian De La Puente
OG Edwin Harrison
OT Tavares Washington
DE Wallace Gilberry
DT TJ Jackson
DE Derek Lokey

NFL.Com doesn't have these guys on their team rosters.

They seem to be bottom of the roster players. You more then welcome to add them to your roster, if you'd like.

Juggernaut

01-11-2009, 04:43 PM

NFL.Com doesn't have these guys on their team rosters.

They seem to be bottom of the roster players. You more then welcome to add them to your roster, if you'd like.

collins is on the browns so NVM

But the rest, how do i find their contract amounts?

BME

01-11-2009, 04:45 PM

More than welcome to search for them.

If you feel like they are a need for your team.

Juggernaut

01-11-2009, 04:51 PM

i'm going to sign 1-3 of the offensive line guys, if i can find them. The other ones i dont need

nevermind, i wont add them, i dont need them and i have tha cap to replace them

Tdoggy

01-11-2009, 05:18 PM

whats that site from last year BME? where we could get all of the base salaries?

BME

01-11-2009, 05:49 PM

http://www.nflplayers.com/user/index.aspx?fmid=378&lmid=378&pid=0&type=l

But, it's different. It's not set-up the same, and I really didn't find the base salaries.

Maybe someone else can pin point it.

Thanks

georgiafan

01-11-2009, 05:51 PM

I would be willing to take on a 2nd team if you are need me to.

BME

01-11-2009, 05:53 PM

I might need some to take a second team.

I'd like to give it a day or two more.

Colts44

01-11-2009, 06:23 PM

I would be willing to take on a 2nd team if you are need me to.

Well I'll volunteer too. The Colts can be boring. lol

BME

01-11-2009, 06:25 PM

We don't have many teams left ...

Ravens, Packers, Bengals, and Pats (Hustlin?)

Also, Charger might want to sign up ... but that's what's left - and I haven't heard from Dlips.

JBourne90

01-12-2009, 12:19 AM

McBride, Trumaine CB CHB 7280.00
McBride, Trumaine CB CHB 460000.00

He was listed 2x here, so in my depth chart, I just removed the smaller salary one, assuming it was a typo.

Nephew E

01-12-2009, 01:02 AM

bme, i texted you to tell you i was in this one

BME

01-12-2009, 06:50 AM

E, your in ... I never listed the Jets as being open. They're all yours.

I didn't get the txt - I switched back to Verizon and I'm waiting to get my old number back. Should be today.

Fort

01-12-2009, 08:36 AM

Oh what the hell... this thread pops up out of absolutely nowhere and my completely edited depth chart has disappeared. I didn't save any of that anywhere else. Poo poo poo. Sever move... :rolleyes:

Here are some changes that I saw needed to the Redskins roster.
ADD: Alfred Fincher is also a UFA
MOVE: Shaun Suisham from UFA to RFA
RELEASE: Erasmus James - Released in December
RELEASE: Leigh Torrence from RFA. Move to Saints RFA.
RELEASE: Shaun Alexander from RFA - Cut in December.
RELEASE: Rian Wallace from RFA - Released with injury settlement in August.

The cap situation isn't as ideal as I've seen it could be for the Redskins, but the best I've seen is $3.0M. A 1.5M difference isn't a huge deal. I just wish we had a system where we could restructure contracts. Maybe like with the cuts rule, pick only like three guys and save 1/4th of their base for this season ($750K instead of 1M after restructuring).

HustlinOwl

01-12-2009, 08:38 AM

http://www.pastapadre.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2282

Fort

01-12-2009, 08:44 AM

Yeah, I had a bunch of more stuff on there than that, and I finished editing it yesterday, not the 9th. No big deal. It was basically just formatting stuff. The other things can be redone quickly.

BME

01-12-2009, 08:48 AM

Fort,

I'm onboard with a reconstruction program as well. I'd like to keep it simple as well.

Anyone else on board with this?

HustlinOwl

01-12-2009, 08:58 AM

Three guys that might be too many. I would go with one, if at all.

SaveOurSaints

01-12-2009, 09:02 AM

SaveOurSaints

01-12-2009, 09:05 AM

How the system is currently set up though. Teams low in salary cap will have a tough time even keeping their own players. Let alone signing a single player in free-agency. So anything we can do to loosen up a little cash is a good thing.

BME

01-12-2009, 09:07 AM

True,

I'm sure teams struggle now to sign FA when they are cap strapped. But, if we work a small reconstruction system into it. It would help relieve some room.

SaveOurSaints

01-12-2009, 09:24 AM

Just to clear things up from last year. We are not signing our rookies right? Last year there was a small fiasco of people complaining that they were saving room for the rookie pool.

BME

01-12-2009, 09:28 AM

Correct.

Fort

01-12-2009, 11:39 AM

Just a couple of questions:
1. What should I do about these problems? The only one that is a big deal to me personally is Suisham should be a RFA, from everything I've seen. The others would just clarify the departing FA situation a little.
ADD: Alfred Fincher is also a UFA
MOVE: Shaun Suisham from UFA to RFA
RELEASE: Erasmus James - Released in December
RELEASE: Leigh Torrence from RFA. Move to Saints RFA.
RELEASE: Shaun Alexander from RFA - Cut in December.
RELEASE: Rian Wallace from RFA - Released with injury settlement in August.

2. A few of the guys the Redskins signed in November and December for depth aren't listed on the active roster for this. Wouldn't be the end of the world if I couldn't keep them, but they will still be under contract and any existing OL depth would change my plans quite a bit. The other guy is a LB. What to do?
OL | D'Anthony Batiste
OL | Devin Clark
OL | Will Montgomery
LB | Tyson Smith

Just looking through the rosters, it looks like they missed some of the minor transactions (Michael Bennett still listed under the Bucs instead of the Chargers; Leigh Torrence under the Skins instead of the Saints, etc.)

EDIT: Oh, and practice squads. I can't remember how we handled that last year. I think we had a 70 man limit and just named a 53-man and an 8-man PS, but I can't remember. Are we just limiting it to 53 right off the bat?

BME

01-12-2009, 12:50 PM

I'm kind've suprised that the rosters are missing some guys. Those rosters are pulled from NFL.com.

Fort, add anyone that is missing. That's no biggie. They're mostly bottom of the roster guys anyways.

Any other roster transaction you might catch, please let me know.

As for PS ... Did we do one last year? I don't think we did. No ... I wouldn't say we're limiting to 53 right off the bat. Come near the end, I'd like to see people produce a final roster. We can show an 8 player PS also. This is kind've where it died out last year.

BME

01-12-2009, 12:56 PM

I'm open for all suggestions as I pointed out in the rules thread.

This is never a perfected thing -- I thank you for all the help.

georgiafan

01-12-2009, 12:59 PM

I think the practice squad is a little to much as most user will be lucky to get there depth chart thread updated.

BME

01-12-2009, 01:01 PM

Which is a good point also GF.

I was more or less thinking at the end of the draft. If there is left over players, then you can make up a PS.

Either way - it's not a huge part of this.

Colts44

01-12-2009, 02:25 PM

Maybe with restructuring contracts an owner could propose the reduction and the board votes on it or someone recommend to a panel of owners or something.

BME

01-12-2009, 05:00 PM

We need to agree on restructuring contracts.

Would everyone be in favor of it? I'd say 2 players max.

Or, should we make it where each team can sign 1-2 of their own FA?

Discuss

Colts44

01-12-2009, 05:40 PM

I think 1 or 2 FA would be nice, but there is no good way to do it. Some players would leave for the money while others would give a so call "hometown discount."

So I think 1 or 2 restructures would be better.

Juggernaut

01-12-2009, 07:45 PM

1 to 2 free agents sounds good, not too many teams have more than 2 big FA's. I for one only have 1 guy i want to keep around.

Fort

01-12-2009, 08:04 PM

I'd rather do the restructuring with a couple of guys but it wouldn't be a big deal if we went the other way.

georgiafan

01-13-2009, 05:19 AM

Why don't we just add like 5 million dollers to each team ? Since I take it we are looking for more payroll room

HustlinOwl

01-13-2009, 06:58 AM

Or just get the right numbers

BME

01-13-2009, 07:42 AM

We have about 2 weeks before we get rolling.

Have to iron out a couple things ... then we'll be good.

I believe our cap numbers are close to right but I could be wrong... We'll have to look into it.

As far either resigning 1-2 of your own FA or reconstructing the contracts. We'll have to wait and see on those.

SaveOurSaints

01-13-2009, 01:07 PM

If we do decide to "re-sign" 2 of our own UFA's, how would be go about placing the value for that person?

Juggernaut

01-13-2009, 06:04 PM

"We are very excited to welcome Scott to the Chiefs," Hunt said. "With his proven track record of success, Scott is the finest player personnel executive in the NFL, and we look forward to his leadership in building a championship organization."

The Chiefs will officially introduce Pioli at a news conference at 6 p.m. ET on Wednesday.

The fate of coach Herm Edwards and his staff was not immediately known.

Pioli, who spent nine years working with head coach Bill Belichick and became vice president of player personnel for the Patriots in 2002, also interviewed for the general manager vacancy this month in Cleveland. The Patriots won three Super Bowls, four conference championships and six division titles during Pioli's nine seasons in New England.

"To sum up in words everything Scott Pioli has meant to this organization and to me personally would be difficult, if not impossible," Belichick said in a statement. "From the day I met him, he has demonstrated a passion for football and respect for the game that is second to none.

"It has been extremely gratifying for me to follow Scott's career ascension from the bottom of the totem pole in Cleveland to his place as a pillar of championship teams in New England. Now with the opportunity to steer his own ship and a vision of building a winner, there is no more capable, hardworking, loyal, team-oriented person than Scott Pioli."

The Chiefs have been conducting a search for the position since Carl Peterson resigned after 20 years as president, general manager and CEO. Pioli inherits a young team coming off a 2-14 season in 2008, but is stepping into a situation that seems ripe for a quick turnaround.

The fan base is loyal, though restive, and the team will be playing next year in a virtually new stadium. Arrowhead, which opened in 1972 and is notorious for being loud and rough on visiting teams, is undergoing a $325 million renovation, which includes new luxury boxes, wider concourses and enhanced amenities in addition to new practice facilities, an enlarged indoor field and a brand new state-of-the-art headquarters building.

In addition, the Chiefs are about $32 million under the salary cap, extra money that will come in handy because KC owns the overall No. 3 pick in the draft.
The Associated Press contributed to this report

That's 10 million more than i have in the mock draft. Any idea on how i'm lacking 10 million? I don't think anyone retired on my team.

BME

01-13-2009, 10:54 PM

The numbers I have are as current as October. Sometime has obiously passed since then, so I'm sure the numbers are off because of that. Hopefully in a couple weeks more truer numbers are out.

Juggernaut

01-14-2009, 05:13 PM

The numbers I have are as current as October. Sometime has obiously passed since then, so I'm sure the numbers are off because of that. Hopefully in a couple weeks more truer numbers are out.

Alright, didn't know they were from a while ago

SaveOurSaints

01-15-2009, 10:04 AM

I know why the Saints cap is shit right now. And why I def. want to wait a little while to start this draft.

The saints had a league high 18 players get season ending injuries last year (IR). So we still pay them to be on IR, but also, we had to sign 18 additional players to replace them. So we are playing 18 players that won't be on an active roster next year.

Needless to say, the saints HAVE to cut 8-10 people very shortly in this off-season.

When that happens, we will have a respectable cap number.

BME

01-16-2009, 02:18 PM

We still have a few teams that need to have owners.

Also, after this week we will know the draft pick numbers.

We need to get the salary cap down. Anyone care to do some research?

HustlinOwl

01-16-2009, 02:48 PM

I will be able to do some research late Saturday afternoon and most of the night. Will be available AIM, if someone would like to help out

HustlinOwl

01-17-2009, 08:34 PM

Some more numbers

Arizona $37m under
Atlanta $27.25m under
Baltimore $26m under
Buffalo $25m under
Carolina $10.5m under
Chicago $17.75m under
Cincinnati $29.75m under
Cleveland $16.25m under
Dallas $2.75m under
Denver $31.5m under
Detroit $34m under
Green Bay $34.25m under
Houston $23.5m under
Indianapolis $12m under
Jacksonville $15.5m under
Kansas City $45.75m under
Miami $32m under
Minnesota $21.5m under
New England $22.5m under
New Orleans $4.5m under
New York Giants $14.5m under
New York Jets $1.5m under
Oakland $8.75m under
Philadelphia $36.5m under
Pittsburgh $23.5m under
San Diego $18.75m under
Seattle $9m under
SF 49ers $16m under
St Louis $15m under
Tampa Bay $55m under
Tennessee $29.75m under
Washington $0m under

BME

01-18-2009, 12:52 AM

Ok,

After today's games, we'll be able to know what team has the correct draft pick (Minus 31-32 pick) But we can get a move on with cuts and so on.

We'll need to come with a happy medium for the cap numbers. We can always result back to 25M each team, but I honestly hated that once it started.

Thoughts?

Tdoggy

01-18-2009, 06:05 AM

I'm pretty sure that the Niners should have about 20 million left after signing draft picks. And that's before Alex Smith's contract is restructured and guys get extensions. I can't say for any other teams, but ah well.

Do most team message boards have a cap guru? I know the Niners message boards have one.

Fort

01-18-2009, 08:30 AM

From what I've seen, the Redskins should have $2-3M, but $1.5M is close enough. Means probably one less FA or so, but oh well.

Maddict

01-18-2009, 05:59 PM

meh 23.5 is close enough for the texans

even the MB cap experts dont have the exact figures because they dont know contract details

i think once its somewhat in the vicinity (and not 20m off like bme's first set of figures), most people will be ok with it

BME

01-18-2009, 08:27 PM

I'll go with the numbers Hustlin posted.

But, I feel those numbers are ridiculous.

Juggernaut posted an article stating KC would have roughly 32M, yet those numbers show 45M

Tampa with 55M to use?

Dallas with 3M under -- when I've seen it as high as 10-12M.

I've PM a guy who goes by the name AdamJT13. He's a very respectable member across many NFL sites. He's a capolgist for the most part. He works magic with numbers. You might've seen his work before, and he's also trys and project the NFL Formula of giving out comp picks to teams. I asked him for help, and to see if he has any updated numbers.

georgiafan

01-19-2009, 05:29 AM

I also like the one hustlin posting and seem accuracte from what I've read on diffrent places.

HustlinOwl

01-20-2009, 09:46 AM

http://www.eaglescap.com/index.html

HustlinOwl

01-20-2009, 10:00 AM

BME

01-20-2009, 05:34 PM

http://www.eaglescap.com/index.html

These numbers are 10M more then what you posted before.

I would've never guessed it would be this kind've struggle to get a somewhat legit cap number.

HustlinOwl

01-20-2009, 06:40 PM

These numbers are 10M more then what you posted before.

I would've never guessed it would be this kind've struggle to get a somewhat legit cap number.

Yeah again its hard to tell where the numbers are coming from. The one I posted may be if the Eagles were to resign some of the players that they are losing where as the ones from the eagles cap site are strictly without signing anyone as of to date

SaveOurSaints

01-21-2009, 05:49 AM

We need more opinions about the cap situation. And we have to get the signup people involved in this discussion.

Guys how about we just do this. After the superbowl, the cap situation is "fixed".

We forget the "real numbers" Because that will be a circus, and present a situation where 50% of the owners will bitch, and 50% will be thrilled.

What if we have a set number like last year. But only with a twist. There are 32 teams, and after the superbowl, we know the official draft order. So we have teams 1 through 32. (1 being the lions, and 32 being steelers/cards) But we allocate money based on where the team ranked.

1. $30 million
2. 29.5 million
3. 29 million
4. 28.5 million
5. 28 million
6. 27.5 million
7. 27 million
8. 26.5 million
9. 26 million
10. 25.5 million
11. 25 million
12. 24.5 million
13. 24 million
14. 23.5 million
15. 23. million
16 22.5 million
17. 22 million
18. 21.5 million
19. 21 million
20. 20.5 million
21. 20 million
22. 19.5 million
23 19 million
24 18.5 million
25. 18 million
26. 17.5 million
27. 17 million
28. 16.5 million
29. 16 million
30. 15.5 million
31. 15 million
32. 14.5 million

If we set the standard deviation at 500,000 than there is a difference of 15.5 million between the lions, and the eventual superbowl winners. Another example is if we set the standard deviation at $250,000 between picks. Then the difference between the lions and the SB winner would be between 7-8 million.

As for trying to sign our own free agents. I think we should be able to sign up to 2 players. But we have to submit an "interest in signing own FA" to a thread. And then as a group we decide what is a market value for that player. This way we don't have guys trying to sign Jonathan Vilma for $500,000. That wouldn't be fair. And if owners are not sure about signing that tender that we decided for them. Then subsequently that player will go into the FA pool.

Thoughts?

BME

01-21-2009, 08:33 AM

Sos, I'm on board with your cap thought. I think that's the best way of going about it actually.

As for your own FA signing, I also like that idea. I can roll with both of those ideas. If everyone else agrees.

Dirty-Dozen

01-21-2009, 08:37 AM

BonesMahoney

01-21-2009, 08:37 AM

If we do go with that, It'll suck that I'll go from having the most cap space(at least according to all the numbers I've seen posted here) to being in the middle somewhere. But I'm cool with whatever.

HustlinOwl

01-21-2009, 08:40 AM

I do not like that cap idea at all, this is not a real representation of the off-season. And is that not what we are striving for? As for signing our own FA's last year we implemented some sort of tier structure and this should be done this year as well.

SaveOurSaints

01-21-2009, 08:59 AM

I don't really like SoS idea. I don't want to see the redskins with 24 million in cap room when he know they are in CAP hell. I would rather wait till after the SB to get the numbers. And for the resigning FA part, i would rather be able to restructure 2 of our players contract, then be able to resign 2 of our players. We already have the ablilty to franchise tag someone if we really want to keep them, and if you really want to get that player back you can always outbid someone in FA.

Not true, if you look at the cap numbers, only about half of all teams even have the financial ability to "franchise" anyone. And if you were here last year. FA was insane. Above average players were getting 10-15 million.

If you have only say 4 million in cap space, You will be signing nothing more than 250,000 thousand dollar players, all while watching your own FA pool vanish without the ability of signing any of them.

SaveOurSaints

01-21-2009, 09:09 AM

If we use Hustlin's figures. You notice 6-7 teams in excess of 30 million dollars. Most of those teams (arizona) for instance will most surely in real life re-up many of there own current players. But under this system. All that money is litterally free and clear.

And I know whats going to happen in free agency, when there are teams with 45 million in cap space signing players.

A great player will get 15 million (easily). Above average 10 million, and average depth chart players will be in the 4-5 million catergorie.

For instance. In real life, the Saints will sign Jonathan Vilma, we can't sign him before FA, because of trade stipulations. And he will get 12-15 million im sure. Thus making it finacially impossible for the saints to sign Vilma, as they would in real life.

And another thing. We can't always follow what happens in real life. What happens next year when its un-capped in real life?

BME

01-21-2009, 10:22 AM

We'll get to next years cap situation, next year.

As for this years, I see some aren't on board and that's fine. We have to find a happy medium. We might have to hold off a week or two more then before we start the FA period. I'm holding off till around Jan 30-Feb 2 to get some real numbers. I hope they come available then.

Although, I did like SOS idea. Dizzle made a good point about certain teams in cap hell getting a some relief. That wouldn't be fair.

Fort

01-21-2009, 01:28 PM

I'm on board with whatever, but I would love the opportunity to:
1. Restructure 2-3 players contracts at like 75% of the current value
2. Having first signing rights to a handful of our outgoing FAs. Limit it to something less than five. Using the tier structure is a good idea again that could go hand-in-hand with this.

I'd love if I had some sort of cap space going into FA, but who knows. I'd be more than happy with the $1.5M from the initial numbers.

Tdoggy

01-21-2009, 01:37 PM

A tier structure would be interesting for a max. To control crazy numbers, if somebody is willing to pay 20 million for a guy then there is no bidding involved. But he could have done the bid starting at 5 million and possibly paid less. Get what I'm saying. Not sure I'd love that, but just throwing out ideas.

Cigaro

01-21-2009, 04:39 PM

Just wait till after the SuperBowl. Avoids a lot of shit. We aren't in a rush, so no need to start this now.

Dirty-Dozen

01-21-2009, 06:17 PM

And if you were here last year.

Well i was controlling the Falcons the last 2 years so i was there.

You will be signing nothing more than 250,000 thousand dollar players, all while watching your own FA pool vanish without the ability of signing any of them.
I think thats why where waiting for the numbers after everyone contract is it, plus if we add the ability to restructure players contract, It should give everyone more money to do something in FA.

Above average players were getting 10-15 million.
Just like the real NFL, if a team whats to waste all there salary on one single player, let them do it.

BME

01-21-2009, 10:26 PM

Ok, example to see if I follow ... Roy Williams (S) will be making 4.4M this season (WTF?, I know)

I'd love to restructure his contract, but we'd have to come up with a legit forumla that would work for everyone.

Would taking 25% off of their base salary save enough money? I'd say 1.10M. Worth it?

Dirty-Dozen

01-22-2009, 02:07 AM

SaveOurSaints

01-22-2009, 10:27 AM

I think the thing is, if we re-structure contracts, its appears that we save money. But the money is all relative. If every team does it. Then every team saves money. Therefore, relatively speaking, you are not in a better finacial position than you were previously.

I just feel as though. Under the sytem of using the real numbers. We shouldn't have a 44-45 million disparity between the top and bottom team cap wise.

Just, we can make this as real as possible. But there will be loopholes. And those loopholes will be exploited left and right, For instance: If we did allow re-structuring. Then every team owner will re-structure their starting QB.

I do have a thought about keeping our own FA's. What if those FA's do enter the FA pool. But the player's previous team owner gets a hometown discout of 25%. For instance if in FA Jon Vilma gets 10 million from a team. I could have the winning bid if I pay 7.75 million...etc.

Also another thought. And team by team owners will have to do this. But there is the "base salary" of a player, and the "cap figure" of the player. The cap figure is always a higher amount. So any acquition, trade, cut player we do, we should include the "cap figure" and not just the base salary.

For instance. Reggie Bush has a base salary of 2.6 million next year. But his "cap figure" is 12.1 million.

I found the saints cap figures here: http://blog.nola.com/jeffduncan/2009/01/saints_2009_salary_cap_breakdo.html

Tdoggy

01-23-2009, 03:48 AM

Every player who has his contract restructured should be reviewed, don't you agree? Yea, Peyton Manning makes a lot of money, I think I'll restructure his contract. Can't allow that to happen.

Cigaro

01-23-2009, 04:30 AM

Eh, I think the way we ran it last year was better. Much simpler, therefore a lot funner. I know it wasn't the most realistic way, but I still liked it.

Colts44

01-23-2009, 07:31 AM

So are cuts still do Jan 30th? Or are we waiting to decide on restructuring/signing own FA's?

BME

01-23-2009, 08:36 AM

We're gonna hold off till we get the correct cap, or something in the neighborhood. I'd rather start everything after the SB so we can have the correct draft picks.

Tdoggy

01-24-2009, 04:52 PM

Team-by-Team Salary Cap Report

All 32 teams ranked by current salary cap space against the 2009 limit of $123 million per club. They are ranked from most cap room (Tampa) to least (NY Jets). These figures are not exact, but after weeks of exhaustive research at the NFLPA website, NFLMedia, ESPN, FOX, & local newspaper sites, they are pretty close. Detailed free agency & contract info included.
1/23/09

by John Miller, Draftsharks.com

1. Tampa Bay -- $42m under – New GM Mark Dominik steps into the fallout from one of the worst collapses in history. The Bucs were 9-3 and cruising. They finished 9-7 and out of the playoffs, losing in Week 17 to ex-coach Jon Gruden’s ex-team, the Oakland Raiders. Every team since 1993 that started 9-3 had made the playoffs until now. Time to get younger. DE Kevin Carter, LB Derrick Brooks, and CB Ronde Barber are turning 36, 36, and 34. Can they lock up free-agent WR Antonio Bryant now that his mentor Gruden was canned? He’ll test the market. QBs Jeff Garcia, Brian Griese, and Luke McCown will all be gone. Classic rebuilding mode here.

2. Arizona -- $41m under – Charley Casserly quoted this astounding figure on CBS last week. It’s kind of deceiving because few teams have as many big names to re-sign. They only have 37 players under contract this year. QB Kurt Warner, DE Bert Berry, DE Antonio Smith and LB Karlos Dansby are free agents. Would Warner stay on a discount so he can stay with Larry Fitzgerald? Obviously WR Anquan Boldin wants more money. WR Steve Breaston warrants an extension. They can cut RB Edgerrin James and DE Chike Okeafor and free up $7m. Overall there’s no reason why Arizona can’t sign studs like DE Terrell Suggs (who went to ASU), C/G Jason Brown (another stud Raven), and maybe RB Darren Sproles (change-up for Hightower?).

3. Denver -- $34m under – New coach Josh McDaniels has needs everywhere, primarily on defense. This unit could see a massive slash-fest that frees up another $15m or so, giving them near $50m to spend! S Marlon McCree, S Marquand Manuel, LB Nate Webster, LB Boss Bailey, DE Ebenezer Ekuban, & DT Dewayne Robertson are just 6 of maybe 10-12 defense cap-cuts. McDaniels won’t leave offense off his wish list since he’s holding a platinum credit card. Free-agent RB Derrick Ward is a perfect fit. They have 2 great WRs in Brandon Marshall & Eddie Royal, but what about adding WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh? McDaniels witnessed T.J. burning New England for 26 catches, 340 yards and 1 TD in the last 3 meetings.

4. Kansas City -- $33m under – The youngest club in the league last year, and the stingiest too. “Astonishingly, the Kansas City Chiefs elected to not carry forward almost $22m of available cap room to 2009, preferring to leave their money on the table in 2008, never to be used again,” writes Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post. New GM Scott Pioli has complete control of operations & personnel and only answers to owner Clark Hunt. You can bet Pioli has the green light to spend – and this cap money plus the 3rd overall pick attracted him to the job. The real question is: What does he do with Larry Johnson?

5. Tennessee -- $31m under – DT Albert Haynesworth is this year’s big prize. They can’t franchise him again because of incentive clauses. Insiders say Haynesworth likes Nashville and might stay on a hometown discount but that’s unlikely. 2-3 other teams will offer tongue-dropping cash and he will leave. QB Vince Young’s cap figure is a manageable $4.6m but it jumps to $14.2m in 2010. If they cut Young it’s a $7.7m cap hit. Owner Bud Adams won’t give up on the flaky kid. Overall the Titans are not big shoppers so don’t look for major splashes. Note: C Kevin Mawae is 38. You know the Titans would love to pry free-agent C Jeff Saturday away from Indy.

6. Miami -- $28m under – Free-agent DE Julius Peppers is linked to the Dolphins in trade rumors. Miami has the cash and also an extra 2nd-rounder (from sending DE Jason Taylor to the Skins) so it’s possible. However, they’d have to part with their 1st rounder - 26th overall - this year too. Miami has some free agents to re-sign like S Yeremiah Bell, LB Channing Crowder, & CB Andre Goodman. OT Vernon Carey is also a free agent but he’ll be offered more money by someone else, if only for his versatility. S Renaldo Hill will probably walk too.

7. Buffalo -- $27m under – They can free up at least $10m more by slicing off some defensive fat, guys like S Ko Simpson, DE Chris Kelsay, DT John McCargo, etc. The Bills have a lot of UFAs to consider re-signing, however: C/G Duke Preston, CB Jabari Greer, LB Angelo Crowell, G Jason Whittle, and T Kirk Chambers. RB Fred Jackson is an exclusive rights free agent, which means they can keep him affordably – though he deserves a nice extension right now. They still gotta hammer out a mega-deal with OT Jason Peters.

8. Detroit -- $26m under – New coach Jim Schwartz is no dummy. The Lions have nowhere to go but up from 0-16. They have two 1st rounders, two 3rd rounders, and 5 of the top-82 picks overall. Owner William Clay Ford will spend money. And they could have way more than $26m in cap room – after trimming off CB Leigh Bodden, QB Daunte Culpepper, S Dwight Smith, TE Dan Campbell & G Edwin Mulitalo. This roster is in for a major overhaul and could be loaded with stud rookies and free agents.

9. San Francisco -- $26m under – In 2007 and 2008 the 49ers were top-3 in cap room, so they’re still hanging in there nicely. They can cut QB Alex Smith and OT Jonas Jennings and free up $7.3 million more. Smith is coming off the busted shoulder and simply isn’t a great player. Jennings has missed all or parts of 47 games the last 4 years. DE Justin Smith’s big contract last year has a bloated cap figure for 2009 - $10.5 million – but they’ll let it ride. Ninersnation.com is clamoring for the team to land free-agent DE Terrell Suggs at all costs.

10. Houston -- $25m under – Cutting S Will Demps, RB Ahman Green, LB Morlon Greenwood and DE Anthony Weaver could add more space to this figure. Defense and the offensive line are always the big needs, despite using six 1st-round picks on these two areas since 2004. The fans want free-agent DE Julius Peppers but he wants to be in a 3-4 scheme so that rules Houston out. Plus they don’t want to give up the 15th overall pick. DE Chris Canty (Cowboys) and LB Bart Scott (Ravens) are great fits. S Brian Dawkins could be a sneaky grab who lends valuable leadership to a young defense.

11. Philadelphia -- $25m under – The big question is what do they do with Donovan McNabb? He counts $10.3 million on the cap. If they trade him it would free up $9.2 million in cap space (with only $1.1m left on the books). S Brian Dawkins, OT Tra Thomas, OT Jon Runyan, RB Correll Buckhalter and S Sean Considine are free agents. They can cut TE L.J. Smith and CB Lito Sheppard to free up $5m. Bust WR Reggie Brown is staying because they take a $3m hit if they release him.

12. Cincinnati -- $22m under – Owner Mike Brown must be overcome with grief. QB Carson Palmer, WR Chad Johnson, and OT Levi Jones were all in the top-6 highest paid at their positions – and the Bengals were last in scoring, yards, and yards per play. They franchised RT Stacey Andrews last season after failing to sign him to a long-term deal for the 2nd straight year. This year they might franchise WR T.J. Houshmandzadeh at $7.85m guaranteed for 1 year. Overall none of this cap stuff matters to Cincy if Carson Palmer’s elbow is trashed. Stay tuned.

13. New England -- $21m under – This figure doesn’t count the (gulp) $14.8m one-year tender for Matt Cassel. If they tag Cassel they’ll have $28 million cap dollars tied up in 2 quarterbacks. However, they can make it work. DE Richard Seymour, OT Matt Light, WR Randy Moss, LB Adalius Thomas, and DE Jarvis Green have a combined $65m in cap charges – if 3 or 4 of those guys restructure it frees up $15m easily.

14. Minnesota -- $20m under – Last year the Vikings gave up a 1st & two 3rd-rounders for DE Jared Allen, then tossed him a whopping $31m in guaranteed money. Allen had 14.5 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, and a league-high 52 QB hurries. Cha-ching! This kind of aggressive management approach should set an example for flaccid clubs like Cincinnati and St. Louis. Go get your guy. Sign a true game-changer. This year the Vikings are rumored to be after QBs Matt Cassel or Donovan McNabb.

15. Atlanta -- $20m under – Some old reliables must go, including former superstar LB Keith Brooking. He’s scheduled to count $7m but his contract is voidable. Brooking’s fate was sealed when he got beat by Cardinals TE Stephen Spach in the wild-card game. GM Thomas Dimitroff isn’t afraid to make tough decisions – he cut franchise legends Alge Crumpler & Warrick Dunn last year. Fan favorite LB Michael Boley might be cut too. When they release Michael Vick he’ll still eat up $7.1m in cap space.

16. Pittsburgh -- $19m under – Supposedly a frugal club, the Steelers spent $128m in payroll last year, 6th highest in football. The product bears out that spending. And when they did Roethlisberger’s extension last March they pro-rated his $25m signing bonus over the 8 years of the deal, and his 2009 salary is “only” $4.75m, so his 2009 cap hit is a manageable $7.9m. The big question is will they re-sign G Chris Kemoeatu, T Max Starks, and T Marvel Smith, all free agents?

17. Baltimore -- $19m under – CBs Samari Rolle & Chris McAlister count a combined $17m. Pay cuts or both hit the road. The Ravens are a relatively low payroll club who’s squeezed the most they could out of what they have. 3 of the top-6 defensive free agents on the 2009 market are Ravens: DE Terrell Suggs, LB Bart Scott, and LB Ray Lewis. They can’t keep all three. Maybe only one. TE Todd Heap already took a pay cut once so they might just cut him. It would free up $3.6m. The big rumor is a straight-up trade: Terrell Suggs for Anquan Boldin. Wow!

18. Chicago -- $19m under – Key defensive studs like CB Nathan Vasher, CB Charles Tillman, and LB Brian Urlacher count a combined $20m. Re-do their deals. Yikes, there’s $5.4m in dead money for Cedric Benson, Muhsin Muhammad, and Brian Griese. They can free up $8m by cutting OT John Tait, FB Jason McKie, DE Adewale Ogunleye, DT Dusty Dvoracek, and WR Marty Booker. The Bears are rumored to be after safety O.J. Atogwe in free agency (if he isn’t franchised by St. Louis) and DE Terrell Suggs.

19. Green Bay -- $18m under – Getting rid of Brett Favre and his $12 million salary for a 3rd-round pick turned out to be the right move. Then they signed Aaron Rodgers to a cap-friendly 6-year, $65 million deal on Oct. 31 – shoveling $12 million onto the 2008 cap before the league deadline. If they waited another 24 hours the entire pay increase would have to be treated as a signing bonus -- and pro-rated over the length of the contract for cap purposes. Now they have cap room to extend WR Greg Jennings, S Nick Collins, and S Atari Bigby.

20. Cleveland -- $17m under – The Browns will probably cut Jamal Lewis. They’d be saving a cash payout of $6.4m in salary & roster bonus. RT Kevin Shaffer is a bust, but he only counts $4.4m on the cap so he might stay. WR Donte Stallworth has a roster bonus of $5m due – he’ll fly out to fleece his 5th team in March. The Browns can free up $12m in cap room by cutting QB Derek Anderson, DE Shaun Smith, LB Willie McGinest, LB Andra Davis, DT Robaire Smith, and G Ryan Tucker.

21. Jacksonville -- $16m under – Owner Wayne Weaver got burned last year, giving out $23m in guaranteed dollars to WR Jerry Porter and CB Drayton Florence. He spent $122m in total payroll, 8th most in the league. They’ll let OT Khalif Barnes walk in free agency. S Gerald Sensabaugh, LB Mike Peterson, and C Brad Mester might walk too. Only Meester seems to be on their list of priorities. WR Reggie Williams’ contract is voidable. He’s gone.

22. San Diego -- $14m under – Time for semi-rebuilding on both sides of the ball. Not a complete housecleaning, but GM A.J. Smith knows he has to shake it up. But first he has to extend Philip Rivers, Shawne Merriman and Vincent Jackson, all going into the last year of their deals. As crazy as it seems, ending it with LaDainian Tomlinson makes sense. He’s 30 and his body is breaking down. Dumping him off frees up $6.725m in cap space. They also want to re-sign Darren Sproles, who was their MVP in December & January.

23. New York Giants -- $11m under – The first order of business is to lock up Brandon Jacobs, but can (will) they? He’ll want to test the open market and plenty of teams could offer more money. Rumor has it the Giants want free-agent DT Albert Haynesworth (imagine that defensive line with Osi Umenyiora returning from injury) but they’re actually set with DTs Fred Robbins & Barry Cofield. If Plaxico Burress is cut before June 1st he only counts $4.4m in dead money.

24. Dallas -- $10m under – Owner Jerry Jones will always empty his pockets and spend cash-over-cap so it doesn’t really matter how much room Dallas has. The first order of business is Terrell Owens. The reports that his release/trade would cause a massive cap charge are true – but the “net” hit is only $680,000. In other words, he already counts $8.99 million if stays. He counts $9.67m if he leaves. They have until June 1st when his $3.1m roster bonus is due. All-World LB DeMarcus Ware is entering a contract year and deserves to be one of the 5 highest-paid defenders in the NFL. Overall, every offensive starter is signed for at least 2 more years. Cutting QB Brad Johnson, G Montrae Holland, and S Roy Williams frees up $6m.

25. Carolina -- $9m under – Jake Delhomme counts $11m on the cap. Cut him and get $6m in net cap savings. Or accept his apology for the 6 turnovers vs. Arizona, re-do his deal and free up a few million. Ask CB Ken Lucas ($6m cap charge) to restructure too. Cut WR D.J. Hackett, RB Nick Goings, LB Landon Johnson, OG Keydrick Vincent, and CB Ricardo Colclough to free up $8m. Carolina could franchise-tag DE Julius Peppers and trade him for a 1st round pick (they currently don’t have a 1st rounder in this draft). We hear Cleveland and Miami are the most interested.

26. Seattle -- $9m under – The Seahawks can free up $14m in cap space by cutting QB Matt Hasselbeck, OG Mike Wahle, WR Bobby Engram, RB Maurice Morris, and WR Koren Robinson. Robinson might actually stay if his knee gets right. “He's been the key blocker on three of our four longest plays from scrimmage this year, and the receiver in our longest (90 yarder),” says Seahawks beat blogger Chris Sullivan. LB LeRoy Hill will likely be franchise-tagged at $8 million for one year. LT Walter Jones and WR Deion Branch count $17m combined by themselves. Pay cuts, fellas.

27. St. Louis -- $8m under – They could be releasing the last 3 players from their Super Bowl winning team in 1999 – WR Torry Holt, DE Leonard Little, and OT Orlando Pace. It would free up $14m and give them a chance to sign a couple free agents. WR Drew Bennett (coming off a broken foot) might not be back, though cutting him causes a $2.5m cap hit. Rams HC Steve Spagnuolo is rumored to be interested in free-agent DT Albert Haynesworth and DE Terrell Suggs. Who isn’t?

28. Oakland -- $4m under – Ouch, CB DeAngelo Hall counts $5m in dead money after being cut. To make it worse he suddenly played like a Pro Bowler again in Washington. WR Javon Walker has a $5m roster bonus due next month. He’ll actually collect it because of an injury guarantee – and his cap hit is $14m if they cut him. Stupid contracts, Al. OT Robert Gallery will have to rework his deal to shave off his $9.2m cap charge.

29. Indianapolis -- $2m over – Peyton Manning counts a massive $21m by himself, the 2nd biggest cap charge in NFL history behind Steve McNair’s $23m in 2006. The Titans ended up locking McNair out of team headquarters that summer. Indy won’t do anything quite that drastic, but they do need to discuss money with Peyton. They can free up $6m by cutting Marvin Harrison. Pro Bowl center Jeff Saturday, CB Kelvin Hayden and RB Dominic Rhodes are free agents. They could franchise-tag Saturday at $8.6m on the 2009 cap. Not too bad. Lots of work to do here, though.

30. Washington -- $3m over – Nothing new for owner Daniel Snyder, he’s from the Jerry Jones Cash-Over-Cap School. Boy, they’ve given out some stupid contracts over the years. Heck, WR Brandon Lloyd still counts $5.5m in dead money from 2007, plus they gave away 3rd & 4th rounders for him that year. We hear the Skins have their eye on 1 stud free agent – Panthers OT Jordan Gross, who could replace the declining Jon Jansen on the right.

31. New Orleans -- $5m over – They just got the credit card bill from their 2005-2008 shopping spree. Deuce McAllister, Reggie Bush, Drew Brees, DE Will Smith, DE Charles Grant, CB Mike McKenzie, huge bonuses thrown around the room. It worked on offense, not so well on defense. Brees counts $14m on the cap but that’s 33% less than Peyton Manning’s rate. Smith counts $9.4m in 2009 so he needs to step it up under new DC Gregg Williams. They can cut RB Aaron Stecker, WR Devery Henderson, WR David Patten, DT Hollis Thomas, and CB Jason David to free up $11m in cap space.

32. New York Jets -- $7m over – Whew, last year they doled out over $100 million in guaranteed dollars. Those bonuses are pro-rated out over the next 4-5 years so they’re going to be in and out of cap jail for a while. Laveranues Coles counts $7m and they need him to accept a pay cut, which he won’t. Leon Washington deserves a big extension. Ks Jay Feely and Mike Nugent are both free agents – Nugent was hurt and Feely might have stolen the gig.

BME

01-24-2009, 07:40 PM

Great find.

BME

01-24-2009, 07:44 PM

From what I gather this is pretty much correct.

I believe we have the Ravens, Packers and Giants open. (Facough) had to drop out.

We're still missing some teams depth charts. With the true cap numbers and after the SB we'll be able to get the ball rolling.

Cigaro

01-25-2009, 09:22 AM

I'll post the Bengals depth chart since no one else has claimed them.

SaveOurSaints

01-25-2009, 09:36 AM

Tdoggy, that list is suspect. They are including Devery Hendersen's contract into their calculations. Hense by saying we can "cut him".

But Devery signed a 1 year deal last year, and is a UFA this season.

SaveOurSaints

01-25-2009, 09:44 AM

Oh, and since we will be using realy cap numbers. We have to incorporate real "cap figures" for players too. Not just the base salary. That is a must. You will have to research your teams on respectable internent sources to find those.

BME

01-25-2009, 09:57 AM

Share an example

Cigaro

01-25-2009, 10:38 AM

I know we had a cut limit last year, but after looking through the Bengals' depth chart and realizing that anyone who didn't start is likely a rookie or second year UDFA, I want to completely overhaul this team.

Oh, and I switched the Bengals to a 3-4 since all of their lineman are either huge and can't rush the passer, or small and can't rush the passer.

Tdoggy

01-25-2009, 11:19 AM

I think they were a 3-4 anyway.

BME, I want to take another team. I'll take the Packers.

SaveOurSaints

01-25-2009, 11:29 AM

Share an example

http://blog.nola.com/jeffduncan/2009/01/saints_2009_salary_cap_breakdo.html

A look at the salary cap and roster status of each player on the Saints' 2009 roster. This information appeared in today's editions of The Times-Picayune but was inadvertantly omitted in the nola.com coverage. We'll have an updated, more readable version online later today but we wanted to get the information to you as promised.

PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT

OFFENSE

WIDE RECEIVER
Player Exp. '09 base salary '09 cap figure Signed through
Adrian Arrington R $385K $396K 2010
Marques Colston 3 $2.3M $3.6M 2011
Skyler Green 3 $535K $535K 2009
Robert Meachem 2 $485K $1.4M 2011
David Patten 12 $2.2M $3.8M 2009

QUARTERBACK
Player Exp. '09 base '09 cap Signed through
Drew Brees 8 $9.8M $14.0M 2011
Mark Brunell 16 $1.1M $1.8M 2009

OFFENSIVE LINE
Player (Pos.) Exp. '09 base '09 cap Signed through
Jammal Brown (T) 4 $2.46M $3.85M 2011
Jermon Bushrod (T) 2 $460K $563K 2009
Jonathan Goodwin (C) 7 $2.0M $3.2M 2010
Jamar Nesbit (G) 10 $1.9M $2.9M 2010
Carl Nicks (G) 1 $385K $424K 2010

TIGHT END
Player Exp. '09 base '09 cap Signed through
Billy Miller 9 $920K $1.0M 2009
Buck Ortega 1 $385K $385K 2009
Jeremy Shockey 7 $3.0M $3.5M 2011

RUNNING BACK
Player Exp. '09 base '09 cap Signed through
Mike Bell 3 $535K $535K 2009
Reggie Bush 3 $2.6M $12.1M 2011
Lynell Hamilton R $385K $385K 2009
Deuce McAllister 8 $3.2M $7.3M 2012
Pierre Thomas 2 $460K $461K 2009

FULLBACK
Player Exp. '09 base '09 cap Signed through
Mike Karney 5 $950K $1.29M 2010
Olaniyi Sobomehin R $385K $385K 2009

DEFENSE

DEFENSIVE END
Player Exp. '09 base '09 cap Signed through
Jeff Charleston 2 $460K $460K 2009
Charles Grant 7 $1.9M $5.4M 2013
Bobby McCray 5 $1.0M $2.9M 2012
Rob Ninkovich 3 $535K $535K 2009
Will Smith 5 $1.1M $9.4M 2014

DEFENSIVE TACKLE
Player Exp. '09 base '09 cap Signed through
Remi Ayodole 2 $460K $460K 2009
Kendrick Clancy 9 $1.8M $2.0M 2009
Sedrick Ellis 1 $795K $2.8M 2013
DeMario Pressley R $385K $431K 2010
Hollis Thomas 13 $1.4M $1.4M 2010
Brian Young 9 $1.5M $3.7M 2010

LINEBACKER
Player Exp. '09 base '09 cap Signed through
Jo-Lonn Dunbar 1 $385K $386K 2010
Scott Fujita 7 $2.0M $4.0M 2009
Scott Shanle 6 $2.1M $3.2M 2010
Mark Simoneau 9 $1.2M $1.8M 2010

CORNERBACK
Player Exp. '09 base '09 cap Signed through
Jason David 5 $2.4M $2.8M 2010
Randall Gay 5 $1.5M $2.8M 2011
Mike McKenzie 10 $4.5M $6.0M 2009
Tracy Porter 1 $455K $817K 2011
Usama Young 2 $460K $623K 2009

SAFETY
Player Exp. '09 base '09 cap Signed through
Roman Harper 3 $530K $870K 2009
Kevin Kaesviharn 8 $1.5M $2.4M 2010

SPECIALISTS
Player (Pos.) Exp. '09 base '09 cap Signed through
Kevin Houser (LS) 9 $745K $795K 2009
Glenn Pakulak (P) 1 $385K $385k 2009

SaveOurSaints

01-25-2009, 11:33 AM

So as an example, if I were to cut Reggie Bush.

His Base Salary is 2.6 million. But with bonus's and other workings in his deal. His total Cap Figure would be: 12.1 million

So, you can't just look at base salary. When its the total "cap figure" that is the total package.

So if I were to trade Bush, I wouldn't just save 2.6 million. I would save 12.1 million. When he is traded, there is no way the Saints would be responisible for the remaining 9.5 million.

Cigaro

01-25-2009, 11:33 AM

I think they were a 3-4 anyway.

BME, I want to take another team. I'll take the Packers.

No, they're 4-3.

BME

01-25-2009, 11:56 AM

SaveOurSaints

01-25-2009, 12:20 PM

Sos,

I see your point.

But, we do this 1 year at a time. That's why it's easier to manage for most people. Sure, we can dive deep into things, and really string out the numbers. But, I fear people will get lost, or maybe screw up their cap. Or even be afraid of doing certain things in fear totally screwing up everything.

We can adjust the cuts to more per team, for those who need it. But, to be honest ... You wouldn't be cutting Bush, or people wouldn't be trading those kind've players away. Of course, I'm shooting for the most realistic off season as I can get with about 28 other guys.

I understand. But we do need to adjust how many players we can cut. Last year, if we cut a player. We still had to pay 50% of the cut.

So for the Saints. Being at 5 million over the limit. It would be very difficult to even get back to ground zero if we were only using base salaries. I would have to cut easily 5-8 players. Let alone trying to keep my own FA's (Jahri Evans, Lance Moore, and Jonathan Vilma).

But your right, I wouldn't cut Bush. But to clear 5 million in base salary would be pretty difficult.

And there is another loophole. Last year, if you traded a player, the other team took the full salary, and there were no cap hits involved. This would mean a flurry of trades for miniscul 7th round picks, just to clear as much money as possible.

For instance, instead of cutting Mike Mckensie (coming off back to back IR seasons) I would simply trade him for a 7th rounder to an interested team. This way I wouldn't have to pay half of the 4.4 million in base salary he will earn.

But I think we are at the point where pretty much we have the cap numbers. Now we have to get into the specifics about the new rules and regulations for trades/cuts/and discounted UFA salaries for the original owner.

And, are we going to "Freeze" the nfl directly after the superbowl? Meaning whatever the real nfl team does, it would no longer affect what we are doing? Because imo, we should "freeze" it before some teams make some restructures/moves on their own, and other teams get left out.

BME

01-25-2009, 07:44 PM

Yes, there will be a freeze one.

Ok -- I see your point now. We need to do alittle tweaking on the trade/cuts/and UFA for original team.

Care to come up with a formula?

SaveOurSaints

01-26-2009, 04:47 AM

Yes, there will be a freeze one.

Ok -- I see your point now. We need to do alittle tweaking on the trade/cuts/and UFA for original team.

Care to come up with a formula?

Here is my 2 scents, the more opinions the better. We did a great job discusses thing long before we start this. So everything will get tinkered out.

But I propose:

Cuts: Each team gets 1 free cut. After that. There will be a 25% cap hit involved for each cut after that.

Trades: Lets set up a committee of 5 people. Specifically 5 of the most active owners during this mock-offseason to vote on any suspect trades. So if we suspect "loophole" trade, we vote on it right away for instant approval. One thing that might be a good idea, and possibly eliminate any loopholes trades is this: "No trades will be allowed for straight up trade that involves players for a 7th round draft pick"

- Meaning you can't just trade a player (or abundle of players) to a team for a 7th round draft pick alone. It would have to be atleast a 6th round draft pick. IMO, this may give enough incentive to prevent unlawfully increasing your cap space by making 7th round trades. (just an idea)

UFA's: The orginal team owner for that respective players gets a 25% home discount during the free agency period. For instance, if I wish to retain player "A", and the winning bid is 10 million. All I would have to bid is 7.75 million to have the winning bid.

RFA's: Do it exactly like in real life. http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2009/01/15/2009-restricted-free-agent-tender-amounts/

"Low tender - right of first refusal & original draft pick - $1.01 million

Middle tender - right of first refusal & 2nd round pick - $1.545 million

(Compensation is a 2nd round pick if original club chooses not to match any offer sheet)

High tender - right of first refusal & 1st round pick - $2.198 million

Highest tender - right of first refusal & 1st and 3rd round picks - $2.792 million"

------ So in essense, I think last year it wasn't up to the team owner to select the tender amount for their RFA. But I think this year. It should be at our own decision as to what tender we select for a player. Again, this helps retain our own players, and its completely justified because thats how it is done in real life.

SaveOurSaints

01-26-2009, 07:43 AM

BME, I can take on another team fairly easily. My off-season plan for the saints is pretty simple (sign my own guys if possible) and after that I only have 4 draft picks.

It doesn't matter which team I recieve, But if its another nfc south team, I will run that team into the ground on purpose.

BME

01-26-2009, 10:27 AM

I can be onboard with all of this.

Although, I'd make it a team of 3 for trades.

We did do the RFA last year like you mentioned. I remember, Manny took Barber from me. I got his 1st round pick. It was a beautiful thing.

As for the UFA ... I do like the idea. But, I have two issues. My first is - You really want Player A. But, you then have to bid on Player B incase the owner of Players A team wants to resign. Or, you get stuck with 2 players because Player A's team doesn't want him. Or, you get screwed out of both players, and your left with nothing.

Second, Owners would have a limited time to say if they want to resign the player or not. Because, we'd have to move onto our next section of FA.

Colts44

01-26-2009, 11:18 AM

If you're going to have a committee on trades, why not have a committee on the UFA thing as well. Where an owner can propose to re-sign this player and then the team gives an offer for what they think is a fair offer based off of many factors.

Fort

01-26-2009, 01:43 PM

Cigaro

01-26-2009, 02:05 PM

I think committees are moving too far into the "not as much fun" zone, IMO.

Something has to be done in terms of "easily" clearing some cap space, especially if you are going to start teams in the red. Whether it's an allotment of full-salary cuts, or restructures, or 75% cuts, something.

Not a helpful post, I'm aware, but I figured I'd reiterate it.

For once I agree with Fort. I know we want realistic trades and signings, but let's not forget this is supposed to be done only for fun.

I'm OK with suffering a bit of realism in order to keep me interested and involved rather than frustrated or bored.

BME

01-26-2009, 02:33 PM

I agree.

That's why I'm saying I want this to be easy and fun. When it comes down to it... The back bone of this is the draft. I say we stick with the cap dollars tdoggy posted. Then we can mve onto cuts, and look into the hometown discount.

Ppl please chime in with thoughts. Let's make sure that the fun of this is our number 1 priorty.

Colts44

01-26-2009, 02:36 PM

Fort, is right now. I just was saying if you have it for trades why not FA. Anyway I do think we should have restructuring at ~25% saved and a max of $ much saved. B/C honestly I would restructure Manning and his gigantic cap number. I would save 5.25 million. So maybe cap the savings from restructuring at like 3 or so? That would be a player with a cap number at 12 million.

EDIT: Also maybe we could resign a player a certain percent over their original contract.

SaveOurSaints

01-26-2009, 08:25 PM

MannyBeltre

01-27-2009, 12:41 AM

I am not in favor of a committee, and I am cool with the numbers that tdoggy posted.

How bout for hometown discount it is like 5-8 percent cheaper than what another team is offering. Nothing dramatic and realistic.

SaveOurSaints

01-27-2009, 07:25 AM

I am planning to do a whole lot of cuts. Really no other option. We had 18 players that went to injured reserve last year, which meant we had to sign 18 other players. so that forces me to cut up to 10 players.

SaveOurSaints

01-27-2009, 07:28 AM

Are we allowing 1 free cut?

BME

01-27-2009, 09:14 AM

Ok,

Here is the final say ... do people agree?

1. Every team can cut up to 8 players. Instead of 50% back to your cap. You can get 75% back.

2. I'm in favor of getting a discount for your UFA. But, I believe this should only be 1 or 2 players max. Because, I can see it now, and like I've mentioned. Two teams are going to have a bidding war on a player. Then, once Team A wins. The original owner swoops in and takes him away with their home town discount. That right there sucks the fun out of it. That I don't agree with. So, we'll need to somehow come to a dollar amount for 1 maybe 2 UFA per team and sign them before the FA Period.

How does this sound? Thoughts?

georgiafan

01-27-2009, 09:41 AM

SaveOurSaints

01-27-2009, 10:17 AM

Colts44

01-27-2009, 03:48 PM

Good with me too.

Btw, Raheem Brock is on the block.

JBourne90

01-27-2009, 04:35 PM

Those are cool with me. And were going to use the numbers tdoggy posted for cap room values?

Cigaro

01-27-2009, 05:01 PM

BME

01-27-2009, 05:19 PM

Those are cool with me. And were going to use the numbers tdoggy posted for cap room values?

Yes.

I'll update rules and cap numbers shortly.

BME

01-27-2009, 06:37 PM

I've adjusted the rules.

8 Cuts - 75% of contract will be given back to the team of BASE Salary.

Updated Cap Figured listed.

BME

01-27-2009, 06:58 PM

Teams Without A Depth Chart!

1. Arizona Cardinals - pnovak
2. Baltimore Ravens - N/A
3. Cleavland Browns - LV Radio
4. Green Bay - N/A
5. Houston Texans - Maddict
6. Minnesota Vikings - MTK
7. New York Giants - N/A (Facough Resigned)
8. New York Jets - E
9. Oakland Raiders - Terror
10. San Diego Chargers - DNUEM
11. St Louis Rams - C Dawg

Hopefully everyone will have theirs up and updated ASAP.

Cuts can be made now -- Please make it clear who is being cut.

Thank You.

Colts44

01-27-2009, 08:34 PM

BME said it was ok for me to take the Giants, so I'll post the depth chart here in a second. It might not be completely all right for a bit.

SaveOurSaints

01-28-2009, 08:18 AM

Just FYI, some teams do have depth charts, but no are all correct. Some have UFA's listed on their roster *coughbriandawkingscough*

HustlinOwl

01-28-2009, 08:36 AM

What are we doing with players that are currently on the practice squad? Like Danny Amendola who the Eagles picked up before the end of the season?

Fort

01-28-2009, 08:51 AM

Technically, at least I believe so, they are UFAs at the end of the season. The team has to re-sign them to the active roster. Usually it happens pretty quickly if they are going to do it.

BME

01-28-2009, 10:16 AM

SOS,

You've made your cuts I take it.

Please list who was cut on your depth chart and the savings.

Thanks

SaveOurSaints

01-28-2009, 10:33 AM

SOS,

You've made your cuts I take it.

Please list who was cut on your depth chart and the savings.

Thanks

Nope not yet.

I should have my cuts listed by days end.

SaveOurSaints

01-28-2009, 10:34 AM

* Im officially requesting a dollar amount to keep UFA LB Jonathan Vilma

SaveOurSaints

01-28-2009, 01:46 PM

What are we doing with players that are currently on the practice squad? Like Danny Amendola who the Eagles picked up before the end of the season?

techinically only the top 51 paid guys count towards your cap.

but im still waiting on a dollar amount for Jonathan Vilma. My off-season is based on him. Tide up right now.

Colts44

01-28-2009, 02:54 PM

Dirty-Dozen

01-28-2009, 04:20 PM

when is the 8 cuts deadline, are we restructuring players contract, and what cap numbers are we using?

BME

01-28-2009, 04:49 PM

Dizzle,

Check the rules thread. Updated cap info and when everything must be done.

We aren't reconstructuring. 8 cuts with getting back 75 percent should be enough.

Tdoggy

01-28-2009, 05:21 PM

See this sucks though. I want to keep Alex Smith, but he's not getting all that money. I was gonna restructure him just like they will in real life.

SaveOurSaints

01-28-2009, 05:24 PM

So, we'll need to somehow come to a dollar amount for 1 maybe 2 UFA per team and sign them before the FA Period.

Can everyone come up with a dollar amount for Jonathan Vilma?

SaveOurSaints

01-28-2009, 05:26 PM

See this sucks though. I want to keep Alex Smith, but he's not getting all that money. I was gonna restructure him just like they will in real life.

Cut him, then resign him in FA, I see no problem in that.

Colts44

01-28-2009, 05:38 PM

Cut him, then resign him in FA, I see no problem in that.

Last year we couldn't do that until after their position was up in FA.

BME

01-28-2009, 06:13 PM

Sos might have to do the fa route. So we don't complicte things

Colts44

01-28-2009, 06:15 PM

Do we need cap room to sign draft picks? If so how much?

BME

01-28-2009, 06:21 PM

Do we need cap room to sign draft picks? If so how much?

Negative.

I'd like to, but I don't want to bring that into this years verison.

BME

01-28-2009, 06:24 PM

Corey Webster is listed both as a Giants FA and on the team's payroll. This said he signed an extension:http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2008/12/14/2008-12-14_corey_webster_cashes_in.html

So leave him on the DC, right?

Correct

See this sucks though. I want to keep Alex Smith, but he's not getting all that money. I was gonna restructure him just like they will in real life.

You'll probably better of cutting him, and saving money from him. Then resigning. It's going to be like your restructuring - based on money saved.

SaveOurSaints

01-28-2009, 07:54 PM

Sos might have to do the fa route. So we don't complicte things

Alright, I will try and come up with something creative to do.

Even after cuts I was just 8 million under the cap, and also having to sign 16 players to get me to 53.

Hard to sign 16 players with 8 million. Being a GM is tough.

BTW, people check out my draft chart and the players on the trade block. Hit me up.

SaveOurSaints

01-28-2009, 08:32 PM

BOOM!!!!

This is clever. This is beyond clever. I did my homework on Vilma to find anything I can do to keep him.

This is what I dug up:

In the 2008 Off-Season the Jets traded Jonathan Vilma to the Saints. The details are.
- 2008 4th rounder to the Jets
- 2009 conditional pick. If Vilma plays 85% of the snaps it is a 3rd rounder. However if Vilma is signed before FA, it becomes a 2009 2nd rounder.

But, this is where it gets tricky. Lets look at the Jeremy Shockey Trade.
- Giants receive 2009 2nd and 5th rounder.

*However, the Saints and Giants had a contingency plan if the Saints decided to sign Vilma before Free Agency. If that happens
- Giants recieve 2009 5th rounder
- Giants recieve 2010 1st rounder

"As for the picks coming from New Orleans, the Saints control the situation. Essentially, if they re-sign Jonathan Vilma before the start of free agency, the Jets get this year’s second- and fifth-round picks, and the Giants receive next year’s first-round pick to close out the Jeremy Shockey trade.
Don’t bet on that happening.

Nobody expects New Orleans will make a business move that winds up costing them an impact pick. So the Giants are including the extra second- and fifth-round picks on their draft board. "

- http://giants.lohudblogs.com/2009/01/22/counting-up-the-draft-picks/

*** Meaning, if I franchise Vilma, the 2nd round pick that the Giants have will go to the Jets. Giving me back the 2009 3rd round conditional pick. And as a bonus, in this mock draft, nothing we do carries over to next year. So its real and justified, and its what im going to do.

So by franchising Vilma, The Jets (not the Giants) will have my 2nd rounder, and I get back my own 3rd rounder.

Colts44

01-28-2009, 08:33 PM

Giants franchised Brandon Jacobs for 6.75 million.

Also could we maybe have the transition tag as well?

Colts44

01-28-2009, 08:34 PM

SOS, you don't want to do that. It would cost you 8.25 million to franchise him.

:ninja:

Plus, you would ruin my plans. Damn You!!!

SaveOurSaints

01-28-2009, 08:38 PM

SOS, you don't want to do that. It would cost you 8.25 million to franchise him.

:ninja:

Plus, you would ruin my plans. Damn You!!!

Lol I have no idea what im going to do. Im in dire straights right now lol, I have a friggin mess on my hands. But that scenero is a possibility I have by the Start of FA to make the decision.

Colts44

01-28-2009, 08:43 PM

Since there is no trade thread I'll post it here.

The Giants trade their 2009 3rd and 7th round picks to the New Orleans Saints for DE Will Smith.

BME

01-28-2009, 09:31 PM

Approved.

I'll open up a trade thread.

Hopefully people get active soon.

MannyBeltre

01-29-2009, 07:10 AM

I will make my cuts later today.

BME

01-29-2009, 08:03 AM

To clear up any confusion on the cuts.

All you need to do is minus 25% off of their base salary this year. That will give you 75% back.

Example, if you use the computer calculator ..

I have player A who is making $650,000. I put that number into the calculator. Then I minus off 25$ that gives me $162,500. Then I take 650,000 - 162,000 = $487,500. That's the money you've saved.

*EDIT* You can make up to 8 cuts. Doesn't mean you have to.

BonesMahoney

01-29-2009, 08:59 AM

SaveOurSaints

01-29-2009, 09:23 AM

I got my RFAs/EFRAs offered and made a couple cuts.

Just to make sure.... I cut Maurice Stovall and Jameel Cook, my savings came out to 937,500. Do I round up to 1 Million or do I just add that much to my cap?

To the nearest 250,000

some times you make out, but in this case you lose 37,000 as that rounds to 900,000.

SaveOurSaints

01-29-2009, 10:33 AM

To the nearest 250,000

some times you make out, but in this case you lose 37,000 as that rounds to 900,000.

Wait what was I thinking. If you round to the nearest 250,000 then it would it either go to 750,000 or 1 million. Since you said it was 937,000 thousand, it rounds to 1 million

Sorry for the confusion.

BonesMahoney

01-29-2009, 10:36 AM

Wait what was I thinking. If you round to the nearest 250,000 then it would it either go to 750,000 or 1 million. Since you said it was 937,000 thousand, it rounds to 1 million

Sorry for the confusion.

That's what I thought too. I just didn't want to make it seem like I was making a fuss over 100k, lol. Thanks.

Hombre

01-29-2009, 11:01 AM

I tendered my people...made one cut, cut Josh Reed...

MannyBeltre

01-29-2009, 01:15 PM

Seahawks Cuts:

Mike Wahle: Saves $2,325,000
Deion Branch: Saves $3,705,000
Brian Russell: Saves $1,575,000

Total Savings: $7,605,000

All for now, might add one more later.

georgiafan

01-29-2009, 01:21 PM

I'll have my cuts up later tonight

dolphn

01-29-2009, 01:51 PM

Dolphins:
-Cut WR Ernest Wilford and LB Charlie Anderson. Save 2.4M
-Place 2nd round tender on RB Patrick Cobbs

Cigaro

01-29-2009, 03:14 PM

The Bengals will franchise Whosyourmomma, and cut Chris Henry, along with a lot of other bums.

The Panthers will franchise Jordan Gross, cut Jake Delhomme.

I'll edit this more in depth a little later.

HustlinOwl

01-29-2009, 03:20 PM

Franchise Gross will cost you 8.75M of your 9M

PacmanFan21

01-29-2009, 03:21 PM

made 2 cuts: Lendale White and Alge Crumpler

Cigaro

01-29-2009, 03:38 PM

Franchise Gross will cost you 8.75M of your 9M

There's a reason Jake Delhomme is getting cut...and he's not the only one.

Landon Johnson is going to be cut, and Ken Lucas is on the block.

BonesMahoney

01-29-2009, 03:41 PM

Are we suppose to post all our RFAs, ERFAs, cuts, etc.. in here or just update our depth charts? I have my depth chart updated but if I have to post them in here I will..

BME

01-29-2009, 03:59 PM

Bones, the depth chart is fine.

Cigaro

01-29-2009, 04:08 PM

Is there one site that we're all using for salary info?

SaveOurSaints

01-29-2009, 06:03 PM

I have 14 players I need to sign to get to 53 total players on the roster

I have 6 draft picks. So that is 6 players

So I have 8 players to sign for 5 million bucks.

Colts44

01-29-2009, 06:15 PM

You shouldn't have a problem getting quantity, quality on the otherhand will be difficult.

HustlinOwl

01-29-2009, 06:37 PM

Is there one site that we're all using for salary info?
http://www.pastapadre.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2280

Cigaro

01-29-2009, 06:43 PM

http://www.pastapadre.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2280

Damn, how the fuck did I miss that? I knew I got Carolina's numbers from somewhere, but couldn't remember.

I'll do the Bengals numbers now.

georgiafan

01-29-2009, 07:01 PM

so where's the updated team payroll? I can't seem to find it
edit - nevermind

Fort

01-29-2009, 07:10 PM

Washington's preliminary cuts:
1. Jason Taylor ($6.00M Saved) Puts me at +$3.00M
2. Todd Collins (1.50M Saved) +4.50M

That's it for now, though there are definitely more to come. Likely some of the moves Washington will actually do (oft-injured veterans).

Also, I finally made these changes to my DC. They were explained earlier.
- Leigh Torrence is a RFA for the Saints, not Washington
- Shaun Suisham is a RFA, not UFA
- Erasmus James was cut in December (now a UFA)
- As was Shaun Alexander (now a UFA)
- Rian Wallace was released with a settlement in August (now a UFA)

ALSO:
Tendered RFAs Anthony Montgomery, Kedric Golston, and Reed Doughty for $1.0M each

Cigaro

01-29-2009, 07:30 PM

Cincinnati cuts;
Chris Henry- $465,000 saved
Ben Utecht- $1,687,500 saved
Antwan Odom- $2,550,000 saved
Dan Santucci- $345,000 saved
Nate Livings- $288,750 saved
Nate Lawrie- $465,000 saved
Chris Perry- $756,188 saved
Justin Britt- $288,750 saved

That leaves the Bengals with 14 open roster spots.

BME

01-29-2009, 10:46 PM

Thank you for everyone being so active.

Hopefully everyone else gets this way soon.

BME

01-29-2009, 11:05 PM

Fort,

Your depth chart is very beautiful.

I might steal your set-up.

Hombre

01-30-2009, 12:10 AM

Buffalo Bills Off Season Moves Thus Far

Tendered
- Gibran Hamdan, QB- 6th round, $1.0 million
- Fred Jackson, RB- 2nd round, $2.2 million
- Keith Ellison, LB- 6th round, $1.0 million
- Dustin Fox, CB- 3rd round, $1.0 million

Cuts
- Josh Reed, WR- saving $2.1 million
- John Wendling, SS- saving $4.5 million

Players eligible for Un-Restricted Free Agency:
- J.P. Losman, QB
- Justin Jenkins, WR
- Melvin Fowler, C
- Duke Preston, C
- Kirk Chambers, RT
- Jabari Greer, CB
- George Wilson, FS

6 Draft picks

SaveOurSaints

01-30-2009, 05:37 AM

Fort,

Your depth chart is very beautiful.

I might steal your set-up.

Thats why I thanked his, its very nice. Its important to have a nice looking depth chart. Its the one thing you will be staring at for the next month.

SaveOurSaints

01-30-2009, 07:58 AM

So is there a max of 15th draft picks we can obtain?

BTW, if you looking for a reciever. I only tendered Lance Moore for a 2nd rounder:

WR Lance Moore: Middle tender - right of first refusal & 2nd round pick - $1.545 million

He is 25 years old, 79 receptions, 937 yards, and 10 touchdowns.

BME

01-30-2009, 08:33 AM

Sos,

I don't think I'll put a max on picks. I never have.

Fort

01-30-2009, 10:52 AM

MannyBeltre

01-30-2009, 11:32 AM

I might be interested in trading Julian Peterson or Patrick Kerney should the right deal come along. Key word is might.

Hombre

01-30-2009, 11:39 AM

The Buffalo Bills have added DE Charles Grant and TE Billy Miller...both major needs for this team.

Frees up the draft for BAP....

dolphn

01-30-2009, 12:07 PM

Miami QB John Beck (518.9K) is on the block.

The 2007 2nd round pick hasn't had much time to show what he can do. I personally think he has potential to be a very good quarterback or a very good career back up at worst, but he's not in Miami's real life plans, and not in mine. Chad Henne is Miami's future at quarterback.

Looking for a 4th round pick.

JBourne90

01-30-2009, 01:56 PM

Sorry it took long for me to get these started. It's been an excruciatingly busy week here.

The Bears Offseason so far:

ERFA Tendered:
LB - Nick Roach (250,000)
CB - Marcus Hamilton (250,000)
Cuts:
WR - Marty Booker (750,000 Saved)
OT - John Tait (3,600,000 Saved)

Cigaro

01-30-2009, 02:31 PM

The Bengals used a 2nd round tender on linebacker Brandon Johnson.

Terrorblaze

01-30-2009, 02:52 PM

i thought we were waiting till at least after the SB

Dirty-Dozen

01-30-2009, 02:59 PM

I should have my depth chart cuts and tender all updated tomorrow.

Cigaro

01-30-2009, 03:08 PM

i thought we were waiting till at least after the SB

We are, somewhat. We're getting all of the cuts, franchising, and tendering out of the way now.

Fort

01-30-2009, 04:17 PM

How are we handling the current practice squad players? Technically they are UFA at the end of the season (I think, anyway) and the teams should be starting to resign them (some already have).

BME

01-30-2009, 04:37 PM

i thought we were waiting till at least after the SB

We are.

But, I'd like to get all of the cuts and franchising done asap. Then we'll move into FA and the draft after the SB

How are we handling the current practice squad players? Technically they are UFA at the end of the season (I think, anyway) and the teams should be starting to resign them (some already have).

Great question ... I'd say everyone is a FA.

Right?

SaveOurSaints

01-30-2009, 04:50 PM

Nephew E...you have to respond to me before FA

speaking of which.

When exactly is FA? I need the exact date hour and minute.

Im serious.

BME

01-30-2009, 04:52 PM

My Cowboys Transactions for far, for those who care.

Franchise Player: NA
RFA Tendered:
Miles Austin -1.5M 2nd Round Tender
RFA Non-Tendered:
Sam Hurd (WR)
Tony Curtis (TE)
Stephen Bowen (DE)
Cuts:
Williams, Roy Lee S - Saved $3.8M
Ellis, Greg LB - Saved $3.1M

BME

01-30-2009, 04:54 PM

Nephew E...you have to respond to me before FA

speaking of which.

When exactly is FA? I need the exact date hour and minute.

Im serious.

We can shoot for starting on Wednesday. By then, the exact draft picks will be known, and we can move forward.

Sos, question for you ... and for anyone for that matter -

How should FA be ran? Same like last time, we'll put up QBs for 24 hours? or what's the best way. I'm curious what people think will work.

Colts44

01-30-2009, 05:04 PM

Colts moves:
Cuts:
Marvin Harrison +6.75 million
Clifton Dawson +.375 million
Raheem Brock + 2.40 million
Nick Graham +.350 million
ERFA signed: Buster Davis -.250 million

Giants:
Cuts:Reuben Droughns Save: .935 million
Sammy Knight Save: .935 million
Sam Madison Save: 1.33 million
Trades:
Traded NYG's 2009 3rd and 7th round picks to Saints for DE Will Smith

Colts44

01-30-2009, 05:06 PM

Also I'm find with the old way of FA. Although having all positions at once would be easier with the cap, but would also be way more confusing and bidding could get more out of hand.

BonesMahoney

01-30-2009, 05:14 PM

The way we did it last year is cool with me. It was organized.

Cigaro

01-30-2009, 05:29 PM

I would like to have all players at once, maybe with separate threads for the positions. The reason is say you needed a running back and linebacker, and you aren't the Buccaneers, you might spend too much money on a running back because you underestimated the linebacker's price, or equally overestimated the linebacker's price and go too cheap for a lesser player because of it.

HustlinOwl

01-30-2009, 06:52 PM

Same as last year

Terrorblaze

01-30-2009, 08:34 PM

RB Justin Fargas
DE Kalimba Edwards

on trade block. Willing to take a picks or player

Colts44

01-31-2009, 03:47 PM

Giants: Signed ERFA Danny Ware
Plaxico Burress is on the trade block

Colts: Cut Jim Sorgi

Dirty-Dozen

01-31-2009, 05:48 PM

Falcons: Signed ERFA Jason Snelling
Cuts: Michael Vick, Keith Brooking, Todd Weiner

Jamaal Anderson on the block

SaveOurSaints

01-31-2009, 07:58 PM

Ok, we need to get these other teams squared away. I got the packers as an extra team. But im going to see if I can coherce ShimSham into taking them, then if he does, I would jump ship to another team. I have the GB depth chart up.

BME, there is about 3-4 teams still without an owner correct?

Colts44

01-31-2009, 08:03 PM

It seems like there are quite a few inactive teams too.

SaveOurSaints

01-31-2009, 08:10 PM

It seems like there are quite a few inactive teams too.

Yup, In all honesty I see only about 16-17 active owner right now. Should we make a sales pitch in the water cooler?

Cigaro

01-31-2009, 08:12 PM

Yup, In all honesty I see only about 16-17 active owner right now. Should we make a sales pitch in the water cooler?

Yes.

Colts44

01-31-2009, 08:13 PM

Yup, In all honesty I see only about 16-17 active owner right now. Should we make a sales pitch in the water cooler?

We may want too. The Vikes don't even have a depth chart. CN would probably take over them.

SaveOurSaints

01-31-2009, 11:00 PM

I think ShimSham will take over the packers
CN Stars will get the Vikings

We need someone to replace the Broncos owner, I haven't seen that person in ages. Any broncos fans here?

And I haven't seen Dneum in awhile too.

Colts44

01-31-2009, 11:35 PM

This seems to be the teams that need activity:

1.Arizona Cardinals (pnovak is current owner)
2. Baltimore Ravens (no owner)
3. Cleavland Browns (LV Radio) I'd imagine we just need to remind him
4. New York Jets - (E) Same as LV?
5. Oakland Raiders (Terror) Same as LV and E?
6. San Diego Chargers (DNUEM) Haven't seen him
7. Denver- haven't seen their owner in awhile

Anymore?

BME

01-31-2009, 11:49 PM

Ok,

I've PMed everyone ... and only DNUEM got back to me.

LV hasn't replied, yet had posted since then.

E told me he'd set up a depth chart a couple days ago. (I Believe he has limited access)

Terror, he's made post in this thread, but no DC.

The rest are MIA.

Thanks SOS for asking around.

Dirty-Dozen

02-01-2009, 07:26 AM

The Falcons used a 2nd round tender on OL Tyson Clabo

Nephew E

02-01-2009, 08:43 AM

ok, im slow but what exactly happens when you 'tender' someone

Maddict

02-01-2009, 09:28 AM

ok, im slow but what exactly happens when you 'tender' someone

if somebody offers him a contract you can match it and keep the player or get the other teams 1st/2nd rounder etc (depending on the tender) if you choose not to match it

Fort

02-01-2009, 10:26 AM

Redskins cut Marcus Washington

MannyBeltre

02-01-2009, 10:57 AM

Are we using transition tags?

Cigaro

02-01-2009, 11:15 AM

The Bengals have cut Levi Jones, reclaiming Nate Livings to stay within the eight cut limit. The Bengals have tabbed, as the roster stands, Anthony Collins as the starting left tackle going into 2009. Livings will have a chance at competing for the starting job at the left guard spot.

LVradio

02-01-2009, 11:25 AM

Browns have cut Ken Dorsey and signed ERFA Syndric Steptoe to a one-year deal.

BME

02-01-2009, 11:48 AM

I've sent one final PM to the Broncos Owner and The Cardinals Owner.

BME

02-01-2009, 11:48 AM

Are we using transition tags?

I wasn't planning on it.

Needed?

BME

02-01-2009, 11:57 AM

Missing Depth Charts - Must be done by Tuesday.

1. Jets (Nephew - Active in the forums, but no DC)
2. Ravens (No Owner - May Do BPA Drafting)
3. Raiders (Terror - Active in the forums, but no DC)
4. Vikings (CN Star?)
5. Cardinals (pnovak - MIA? PM Sent)

Maddict

02-01-2009, 12:08 PM

just to clarify: you save 75% of a cut players salery not 50% right? in the rules thread its says 75 in pt. 3 but at the bottom of the post it says 50

Fort

02-01-2009, 12:22 PM

Posted in the trade thread, but the Redskins have traded Colt Brennan to the Colts for their 6th round pick.

BME

02-01-2009, 12:26 PM

75% is correct.

This will help with teams with low cap, and helps them resign their own FA if need be. It was the best way we could do it.

BME

02-01-2009, 12:37 PM

The draft picks will be posted today, FYI.

MannyBeltre

02-01-2009, 12:54 PM

I wasn't planning on it.

Needed?

Personally I would like to use the transition tag because it gives me some safety on retaining a player without possibly having to shell out franchise money for him.

BME

02-01-2009, 01:06 PM

The Cardinals are also open.

Pnovak will not be able to be apart of the mock.

Maddict

02-01-2009, 01:43 PM

Posted in the trade thread, but the Redskins have traded Colt Brennan to the Colts for their 6th round pick.

great move by the colts. brennan reminds me of a young peyton manning :)

Fort

02-01-2009, 01:48 PM

I hate you.

BME

02-01-2009, 06:21 PM

I'm debating about cutting Terrell Owens.

It's no secret the Cowboys might.

If anyone is interested ... maybe a draft pick can have him and don't need to battle in FA.

BME

02-01-2009, 07:27 PM

The Selection Thread is up.

I believe all the picks are correct. If they aren't, please let me know in here.

Thank you.

--

Also, As for my post about trading Owens. I can understand if those who don't feel trading him would be realistic.

Colts44

02-01-2009, 07:31 PM

I think trading Owens is realistic. Just as trading Chad Johnson would be.

leftwich

02-01-2009, 07:59 PM

The Jaguars 8th overall pick is on the block. I am looking for more picks/WR/CB. PM me if you're interested.

MannyBeltre

02-01-2009, 10:51 PM

So is there a transition tag or not?

BME

02-01-2009, 10:52 PM

So is there a transition tag or not?

All that it means, is that you'd have the right to match any of your UFA offers, correct?

Cigaro

02-02-2009, 04:01 AM

I think trading Owens is realistic. Just as trading Chad Johnson would be.

Which reminds me...Chad Johnson isn't necessarily on the block, but I'm not hell bent on keeping him in Cincinnati either.

Also, the Panthers are toying with the idea of switching the franchise tag to Peppers and pursuing Gross in free agency.