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DCoy
02-07-2009, 07:57 AM
Bad week for baseball. Clemens, Bonds, and now A-Rod all had incriminating evidence pop-up

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/02/07/alex-rodriguez-steroids/index.html

In 2003, when he won the American League home run title and the AL Most Valuable Player award as a shortstop for the Texas Rangers, Alex Rodriguez tested positive for two anabolic steroids, four sources have independently told Sports Illustrated.

Rodriguez's name appears on a list of 104 players who tested positive for performance-enhancing drugs in Major League Baseball's '03 survey testing, SI's sources say. As part of a joint agreement with the MLB Players Association, the testing was conducted to determine if it was necessary to impose mandatory random drug testing across the major leagues in 2004.

When approached by an SI reporter on Thursday at a gym in Miami, Rodriguez declined to discuss his 2003 test results. "You'll have to talk to the union," said Rodriguez, the Yankees' third baseman since his trade to New York in February 2004. When asked if there was an explanation for his positive test, he said, "I'm not saying anything."

Phone messages left by SI for players' union executive director Donald Fehr were not returned.

Though MLB's drug policy has expressly prohibited the use of steroids without a valid prescription since 1991, there were no penalties for a positive test in 2003. The results of that year's survey testing of 1,198 players were meant to be anonymous under the agreement between the commissioner's office and the players association. Rodriguez's testing information was found, however, after federal agents, armed with search warrants, seized the '03 test results from Comprehensive Drug Testing, Inc., of Long Beach, Calif., one of two labs used by MLB in connection with that year's survey testing. The seizure took place in April 2004 as part of the government's investigation into 10 major league players linked to the BALCO scandal -- though Rodriguez himself has never been connected to BALCO.

The list of the 104 players whose urine samples tested positive is under seal in California. However, two sources familiar with the evidence that the government has gathered in its investigation of steroid use in baseball and two other sources with knowledge of the testing results have told Sports Illustrated that Rodriguez is one of the 104 players identified as having tested positive, in his case for testosterone and an anabolic steroid known by the brand name Primobolan. All four sources spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the evidence.

Primobolan, which is also known by the chemical name methenolone, is an injected or orally administered drug that is more expensive than most steroids. (A 12-week cycle can cost $500.) It improves strength and maintains lean muscle with minimal bulk development, according to steroid experts, and has relatively few side effects. Kirk Radomski, the former New York Mets clubhouse employee who in 2007 pleaded guilty to illegal distribution of steroids to numerous major league players, described in his recent book, Bases Loaded: The Inside Story of the Steroid Era in Baseball by the Central Figure in the Mitchell Report, how players increasingly turned to drugs such as Primobolan in 2003, in part to avoid detection in testing. Primobolan is detectable for a shorter period of time than the steroid previously favored by players, Deca-Durabolin. According to a search of FDA records, Primobolan is not an approved prescription drug in the United States, nor was it in 2003. (Testosterone can be taken legally with an appropriate medical prescription.)

Rodriguez finished the 2003 season by winning his third straight league home run title (with 47) and the first of his three MVP awards.

Because more than 5% of big leaguers had tested positive in 2003, baseball instituted a mandatory random-testing program, with penalties, in '04. According to the 2007 Mitchell Report on steroid use in baseball, in September 2004, Gene Orza, the chief operating officer of the players' union, violated an agreement with MLB by tipping off a player (not named in the report) about an upcoming, supposedly unannounced drug test. Three major league players who spoke to SI said that Rodriguez was also tipped by Orza in early September 2004 that he would be tested later that month. Rodriguez declined to respond on Thursday when asked about the warning Orza provided him.

When Orza was asked on Friday in the union's New York City office about the tipping allegations, he told a reporter, "I'm not interested in discussing this information with you."

Anticipating that the 33-year-old Rodriguez, who has 553 career home runs, could become the game's alltime home run king, the Yankees signed him in November 2007 to a 10-year, incentive-laden deal that could be worth as much as $305 million. Rodriguez is reportedly guaranteed $275 million and could receive a $6 million bonus each time he ties one of the four players at the top of the list: Willie Mays (660), Babe Ruth (714), Hank Aaron (755) and Barry Bonds (762), and an additional $6 million for passing Bonds. In order to receive the incentive money, the contract reportedly requires Rodriguez to make extra promotional appearances and sign memorabilia for the Yankees as part of a marketing plan surrounding his pursuit of Bonds's record. Two sources familiar with Rodriguez's contract told SI that there is no language about steroids in the contract that would put Rodriguez at risk of losing money.

Arguments before an 11-judge panel in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in Pasadena are ongoing between government prosecutors and the players' association over the government's seizure of the test results from the Long Beach lab. The agents who collected the material had a search warrant only for the results for the 10 BALCO-linked players. Attorneys from the union argue that the government is entitled only to the results for those players, not the entire list. If the court sides with the union, federal authorities may be barred from using the positive survey test results of non-BALCO players such as Rodriguez in their ongoing investigations.

PacmanFan21
02-07-2009, 07:59 AM
my god burn the record books start over or somthing

Fred
02-07-2009, 08:09 AM
i hate these bitch ass "sources" who are too chicken shit to be known. if you want to bring out dirt one someone at least be man enough to show your face.

moz
02-07-2009, 08:44 AM
lol


I'm so glad I gave up baseball years ago....this shit will never stop.

DomePatrol
02-07-2009, 09:26 AM
And so it begins.

Arex Bawrin
02-07-2009, 12:06 PM
I pray ken griffey jr's name will never come up in this, but the league's image is pretty much garbage right now.

PacmanFan21
02-07-2009, 01:06 PM
i wish these people would shut the hell up

MannyBeltre
02-07-2009, 02:18 PM
A-Rod was always one of those players who I didn't think did steroids, but it would not surprise me at all if he did. The news was a surprise somewhat, but that guy is as determined as anyone in the history of baseball to become the greatest of all time. In 2003 he is on a struggling team and beginning to see his star fade playing on a terrible Texas team, he put up the numbers that gave him the MVP and and made it possible for him to be traded to Boston or New York.

If this thing builds, and I think it will, it's amazing to think that he wont get into the Hall-of-Fame the first go around at least. That is the consensus with Bonds and Clemens (if they make it in), and pretty much trashes any possibility of a feel good story about him breaking the HR record.

It will be interesting to see how this news affects his play, including all the other negative publicity dumped on him this year.

JBourne90
02-07-2009, 02:53 PM
This is one of those things that you can suspect but don't want to believe because of what he can do for baseball. If a clean player had broken Aaron's Record (I still call it Aaron's despite Bonds breaking it) in this day and age, it could have significantly helped baseball's image in the eyes of many.

It appears this was the only time though, as the public would have been notified of any positive tests since then.

MaSTA SoLIDUS
02-07-2009, 06:54 PM
lol roids


Fcuk baseball. Selig is the most inept commish in all of Sports, and he deserves to suffer.

It sucks to think my entire life of watching sports that I missed out on the eras of true greatness in baseball. Everything I've seen was tainted.

That being said, if everyone was cheating, who got the unfair advantage?

dmull
02-07-2009, 10:57 PM
I'm just waiting on Pujols now.

Also, Griffey didn't juice. Period.

James89
02-08-2009, 03:54 PM
lol


I'm so glad I gave up baseball years ago....this shit will never stop.

If A-Rod did take roids this will make me want to give it up too.

Bates
02-09-2009, 10:12 AM
I pray ken griffey jr's name will never come up in this, but the league's image is pretty much garbage right now.

It won't. I actually think Junior was one of those guys that respected the game and did it the clean way.

I'm absolutely unfazed by the reports of A-Rod doing roids, not surprising at all. However, I'd be pissed if I were him. These were supposed to be completely confidential. The Union better unleash holy hell on whomever leaked the tests.

My take on all of the steroid mess is this: don't lie. If these retards (i.e. Bonds, Clemens, etc.) wouldn't have lied or just shut their mouths, they wouldn't be facing the crap they are now. Guys like Giambi came clean up front and they're fine.

Fred
02-09-2009, 10:26 AM
i still laugh at Rafy Palmeiro pointing his finger and getting angry. And he was lying. lol

http://www.profbob.com/images/Rafael%20Palmeiro%20best.jpg

Fred
02-09-2009, 11:36 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3894847

a-rod admits using it for 3 years in Texas.

MaSTA SoLIDUS
02-09-2009, 11:40 AM
oh well

moz
02-09-2009, 12:58 PM
I must say props for the big balls, he could have pulled a Clemens and deny that shit to his grave.

Fred
02-09-2009, 01:01 PM
this country seems to be a very forgiving society if you just man up and come clean. i think it was his best option. Although, I still stand by the most hilarious things of the steroid scandal to come out were:

-Canseco actually telling the truth. Everyone he said did roids, was a user lol.
-Mark McGwire dodging the issue completely and saying he wasnt there to talk about the past.
-Sammy Sosa pretending he couldn't speak English and thus avoided any interrogation from congress
-Clemens being the asshole scumbag I thought he was.
-And of course Palmeiro being angry at Congress, only he was lying lol.

moz
02-09-2009, 01:02 PM
this country seems to be a very forgiving society if you just man up and come clean. i think it was his best option. Although, I still stand by the most hilarious things of the steroid scandal to come out were:

-Canseco actually telling the truth. Everyone he said did roids, was a user lol.
-Mark McGwire dodging the issue completely and saying he wasnt there to talk about the past.
-Sammy Sosa pretending he couldn't speak English and thus avoided any interrogation from congress
-Clemens being the asshole scumbag I thought he was.
-And of course Palmeiro being angry at Congress, only he was lying lol.
QFT

He should get in the Hall just for that alone lol

SheriffBooth
02-09-2009, 01:06 PM
I'm just waiting on Pujols now.

Also, Griffey didn't juice. Period.

Griffey was too busy rehabbing his genetically deficient upper leg muscles to have enough time to shoot steroids.

As for ARod, couldn't happen to a nicer asshole.

I agree with Curt Schilling - let's just put all the 104 players that MLB knows juiced out there. A little catharsis is needed for baseball to get back to square one.

MaSTA SoLIDUS
02-09-2009, 01:13 PM
I do really think Canseco belongs now. His mark on the game is bigger than a lot of the performers that made it.

The steroid era should have it's own wing.

James89
02-09-2009, 03:56 PM
God damn is anyone clean?

Fred
02-09-2009, 04:12 PM
Frank Thomas and Curt Schilling are the few stars that I would say are clean.

Baula McGee19
02-09-2009, 09:31 PM
yea, those two and KGJr. are the only pure stars of baseball.



I respect the fact that A-Roid didnt beat around the bush.

MannyBeltre
02-09-2009, 10:57 PM
A-Rod learned from what Clemens and Palmerio did wrong, it was a smart move from him.

I think he's more sorry about being caught rather than actually doing them. The moment that he is done with the interview he is out of the country and Scott Boras puts out a statement saying A-Rod only did them for "one season" when A-Rod said he did them for three.

But he admitted, and that's a whole lot better than the others.

I too also would like to see the other 103 names released.

Ironhorse75
02-09-2009, 11:32 PM
So did the people who had this drug test, did they volunteer under the circumstances that it was going to be confidential?

SheriffBooth
02-10-2009, 09:35 AM
Frank Thomas and Curt Schilling are the few stars that I would say are clean.

I'd say Chipper Jones, too.

I can't decide on Manny Ramirez. He's always been such a lumpy goof - he just doesn't look like he's on PE drugs.

MaSTA SoLIDUS
02-10-2009, 09:47 AM
The Big Hurt did them, I'm sure. How else can you explain his falling off, then his ridiculous resurgence in 03, then his slumping again?

There's two names that are really bulletproof and if they did it MLB should just pack it in:

Cal Ripken and Ken Griffey Jr.

Everyone--I mean everyone--is possible.

Fred
02-10-2009, 10:00 AM
The Big Hurt did them, I'm sure. How else can you explain his falling off, then his ridiculous resurgence in 03, then his slumping again?

There's two names that are really bulletproof and if they did it MLB should just pack it in:

Cal Ripken and Ken Griffey Jr.

Everyone--I mean everyone--is possible.
LOL man Thomas didn't do steroids. He's been one of the most vocal people along with Schilling about testing. I don't even like Thomas or the Sox, but I find it hard to believe that guy did roids. He's been huge ever since he's been in the league and his numbers were always consistent.

Not sure why you think he had a "resugence" in 2003, when his numbers in 2002 were very comparable. He was a tad better in 2003 but not by much. Then after that the following two seasons he was injured and didn't play in much. Then went to Oak and Toronto and had productive seasons. Thing about thomas is after his "prime" he stop putting up monsters numbers. You didn't see him get outrageous numbers after he hit his prime like Bonds' figure 8 shape head. And his HR numbers have never been crazy. The most he ever hit in one year was 43.

MaSTA SoLIDUS
02-10-2009, 10:25 AM
Size doesn't matter

(that's what she said)

A-Rod didn't get huge either--looks about the same. I think he did em. I think Hafner did. I think no less than 60% did.

Fred
02-10-2009, 10:27 AM
So whats your basis for thinking thomas took them? Because you think he had a resurgence that he didn't really have in 2003? lol

MaSTA SoLIDUS
02-10-2009, 11:01 AM
Because he was great, slumped, and inexplicably got better.

I didn't follow him huge, but I did notice how good he got during that same period A-Rod claims to have taken.

Fred
02-10-2009, 11:02 AM
I didn't follow him huge.

All I needed to read lol.

btw, his numbers from 2001-2003, the same period A-Rod took them, were some of his worst years lol. 2003 was solid, but he hit like 40 points below his career avg. He started to decline after the 99 season and never really got better. 91-99 were his best years.

Bates
02-10-2009, 11:07 AM
lol @ Thomas taking steroids. Did he take the ones that make you suck? I don't even remember him being any good after like 1997. He got all the Big Hurt endorsements and then started sucking like a black hole.

Fred
02-10-2009, 11:09 AM
lol @ Thomas taking steroids. Did he take the ones that make you suck? I don't even remember him being any good after like 1997. He got all the Big Hurt endorsements and then started sucking like a black hole.
don't forget about that "resurgence" in 2003 when he hit .267

moz
02-10-2009, 11:28 AM
lol


It's guys like Frank Thomas and Bo Jackson that push the others to even want to contemplate taking a substance to make them better.

MaSTA SoLIDUS
02-10-2009, 11:54 AM
Bo don't know steroids.

SheriffBooth
02-10-2009, 11:57 AM
Bo's muscles were so strong they crushed his bones.

vikngs4lifee
02-10-2009, 04:36 PM
I respect the fact that A-Roid didnt beat around the bush.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1ABIYViVLo

MannyBeltre
02-10-2009, 09:28 PM
Thomas had his resurgence in Oakland (another Billy Beane find), he was sitting on the bench when the White Sox won the Series. I remember cause the next year Kenny Williams was just like, "He better stay out of our business..." when they had their little spat.

Thomas is legit, so is Griffey. Those two were just amazing to watch back in the day.

MannyBeltre
02-17-2009, 07:06 PM
lol, Johnny Damon's answers when being asked about A-Rod. Guy sounds lost.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3914291

DCoy
02-17-2009, 07:18 PM
my main concern is that horrendous hairstyle

add that to him speaking at a 3rd grade level, and i don't think i'll be giving him any consideration for my fantasy team

Ironhorse75
02-17-2009, 09:53 PM
lol, Johnny Damon's answers when being asked about A-Rod. Guy sounds lost.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3914291

I saw it on tv, I laughed out loud when they asked "whats something worse"

and he replied

"murdering someone"

kyhadley
02-17-2009, 11:15 PM
lol that was painful to watch

Fred
02-18-2009, 04:46 AM
lol @ Damon saying "murdering someone" is worse.

BTW, I couldn't stop laughing at A-Rod referring to him and his cousin taking steroids as "amateur hour" lol.

moz
02-18-2009, 05:30 AM
lol

MaSTA SoLIDUS
02-18-2009, 08:04 AM
lol Damon

Didn't A-Rod commit no less than TWO crimes? Importing an illegal substance, and having/using said illegal substance.

lol 'Boli' and the way he pronounced it.

MaSTA SoLIDUS
02-18-2009, 08:58 AM
http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/images/11/2009/02/504x_arodlies.jpg

lol

vikngs4lifee
02-19-2009, 04:49 PM
Definite LOL moment when Damon said murdering someone was worse than what A-Rod did. And also just the fact that Damon said he didn't commit a crime when he did.

PacmanFan21
02-19-2009, 05:26 PM
what if this "cousin" isn't real?

MaSTA SoLIDUS
02-20-2009, 11:09 AM
He is real, and primobolan was illegal in DR during that time

So they committed international crime if he was telling the truth, in addition to two federal crimes.

He should have another press conference. They've been working for him. lol

Bates
02-20-2009, 11:37 AM
what if this "cousin" isn't real?

They've already confirmed the existence of the cousin, Yuci Sucart.