Michael Jackson Dies 1958-2009

[BME]

Michael Jackson Dies

Posted Jun 25th 2009 5:20PM by TMZ Staff (http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/)
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2009/06/0625_michael_jackson_ex2.jpgWe've just learned Michael Jackson has died. He was 50.

Michael suffered a cardiac arrest earlier this afternoon at his Holmby Hills home and paramedics were unable to revive him. We're told when paramedics arrived Jackson had no pulse and they never got a pulse back.

A source tells us Jackson was dead when paramedics arrived.

LaToya ran in the hospital sobbing, after Jackson was pronounced dead.

Michael is survived by three children: Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr., Paris Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince "Blanket" Michael Jackson II.

Story developing...

- TMZ Reporting

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Michael Jackson is dead [Updated] (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/06/pop-star-michael-jackson-was-rushed-to-a-hospital-this-afternoon-by-los-angeles-fire-department-paramedics--capt-steve-ruda.html)

2:06 PM | June 25, 2009
[Updated at 3:15 p.m.: Pop star Michael Jackson was pronounced dead by doctors this afternoon after arriving at a hospital in a deep coma, city and law enforcement sources told The Times.]
[Updated at 2:46 p.m.: Jackson is in a coma and family have are arriving at his bedside, a law enforcement source told The Times.
Jackson was rushed to a hospital this afternoon by Los Angeles Fire Department paramedics.
Capt. Steve Ruda said paramedics responded to a call at Jackson's home around 12:26 p.m. He was not breathing when they arrived. The parademics performed CPR and took him to UCLA Medical Center, Ruda told The Times.
[Updated at 2:12 p.m.: Paramedics were called to a home on the 100 block of Carolwood Drive off Sunset Boulevard. Jackson rented the Bel Air home (http://www.latimes.com/classified/realestate/printedition/la-hmw-hotpropjackson7-2009jan07,0,2867482.story) for $100,000 a month. It was described as a French chateau estate built in 2002 with seven bedrooms, 13 bathrooms, 12 fireplaces and a theater.
The home is about 2 1/2 miles, about a six-minute drive, from UCLA Medical Center. An earlier version of this post incorrectly described the time to travel between the home and hospital as two minutes.]
The news comes as Jackson, 50, was attempting a comeback after years of tabloid headlines, most notably his trial and acquittal on child molestation charges.
In May, The Times reported that Jackson had rented the Bel Air residence and was rehearsing for a series of 50 sold-out shows (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-jackson12-2009may12,0,2710159.story) in London's O2 Arena. Jackson had won the backing of two billionaires to get the so-called "King of Pop" back on stage.
His backers envision the shows at AEG's O2 as an audition for a career rebirth that could ultimately encompass a three-year world tour, a new album, movies, a Graceland-like museum, musical revues in Las Vegas and Macau, and even a "Thriller" casino. Such a rebound could wipe out Jackson's massive debt.
--Andrew Blankstein and Phil Willon

[HAZE]

Wow.

http://i43.tinypic.com/wsshzq.gif

[Ayzil]

WTF?!

[CNStars17]

wow, what a thriller

:D

didn't see that coming

[Terrorblaze]

UCLA medical center


go bruins

[Arex Bawrin]

karma's a bitch.

[vikngs4lifee]

Dayum. Died young.

[Tokyoo]

TMZ? Really? All the sites I actually trust are saying he's in a coma/not confirming death.

Now the news is saying he's dead. CNN is retarded.

[BME]

I posted an LA Times link.

[quiasian08]

well this really sucks! he is da king of POP. I almost think that it's like the paparazzi kills the big celebs so that they can have something to talk about for the next 2 weeks... RIP MJ... I'm gonna listen to the thriller album in his honor.

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

I can't believe that.

The Michael Jackson I grew up with was gone long ago...but still.

RIP.

[quiasian08]

UCLA medical center


go bruins

didn't save him though....

[MaddenWidow]

Holy crap.

[moz]

lol

[CR Knight]

damn.

[Hector831]

Damn

[facough36]

lol

lolx2

[Fred]

I grew up on the black MJ. Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad etc...I love me some Michael Jackson. It's a sad day.

[moz]

I grew up on the black MJ. Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad etc...I love me some Michael Jackson. It's a sad day.
Like I told my sister, the MJ we know and loved died many years ago. I don't feel like he's gone because everytime I listened to something bad ass from him, I would say...damn remember Mike?


Today is no different.

[quiasian08]

We lost a legend today......or did we? Though the body of Michael Jackson has finally come to rest, his soul, the legend, the greatness died over twenty years ago......R.I.P. Micheal Jackson (1958- 1985)........R.I.P. that creepy skeleton we called Michael Jackson (1985-2009).

[Fred]

Like I told my sister, the MJ we know and loved died many years ago. I don't feel like he's gone because everytime I listened to something bad ass from him, I would say...damn remember Mike?


Today is no different.
ya i listen to MJ regularly. everytime he comes on i tell me wife, it's a damn shame what happened to him.

[MaddenWidow]

I grew up on the black MJ. Off The Wall, Thriller, Bad etc...I love me some Michael Jackson. It's a sad day.

No kidding. He was nuts but he made some of the best music ever. I made sure to download all the old school Michael Jackson songs to my kids MP3 player after they got it. They're always in their room listening to Thriller.

[moz]

No kidding. He was nuts but he made some of the best music ever. I made sure to download all the old school Michael Jackson songs to my kids MP3 player after they got it. They're always in their room listening to Thriller.
At least they'll end up as fucked up as we did, that's a relief! lol j/k

[facough36]

ya i listen to MJ regularly. everytime he comes on i tell me wife, it's a damn shame what happened to him.
I've never met a Scottish Mexican...

[Joshman870]

Man, that's is super gay, but if God said today June 25, 2009 MJ and FF must go then...someday we will see them again



1st post and RIP MJ and FF

[MannyBeltre]

Crazy, freaked me out the last few years, but friends and I would always listen to "Wanna Be Starting Something" for fun before games.

[quiasian08]

Man, that's is super gay, but if God said today June 25, 2009 MJ and FF must go then...someday we will see them again



1st post and RIP MJ and FF

damnit why couldn't it have been bono!

[BME]

Picture on stretcher - Could distasteful to some - Spoiler Tag.

http://i39.tinypic.com/264mcud.jpg

[DCoy]

'sider did it:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3492/picture4mik.png

[facough36]

'sider did it:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3492/picture4mik.png

Geez, and I'm the asshole...

[ZoG]

We lost a legend today......or did we? Though the body of Michael Jackson has finally come to rest, his soul, the legend, the greatness died over twenty years ago......R.I.P. Micheal Jackson (1958- 1985)........R.I.P. that creepy skeleton we called Michael Jackson (1985-2009).

Hey, I like Smooth Criminal. :-(

[moz]

Hey, I like Smooth Criminal. :-(
True, but at that point he already lost it mentally. He was beige at that point I believe....

[HAZE]

'sider did it:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3492/picture4mik.png


http://api.ning.com/files/BBn1LzBpaeiWAh4xIw3I2GhEU2U2KGGboMG4qcn0AO8_/carlos_mencia.jpg

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:D

[mtk91]

Unreal.

I remember fred saying that people die in 3s or something back when Bernie Mac died another couple of dudes died too.. Well now it's MJ, Farrah whatever, and Ed McMahon

[DavePSU]

Michael Jackson didn't bleach his skin because he was crazy -- he did it because he didn't want to suffer the marbled look of vitiligo.

It was either turn white, or look like a pair of faded jeans all over the place... or a piece of marbled cheese...

[Tdoggy]

The mj popcorn gif on tv lmao

[Tdoggy]

You know I smoked in tribute right

['Sider]

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:D

Dude, Ive been trippin hard off of that. I knocked his ass out and the next thing I know, hes wearing a toetag

[moz]

http://i42.tinypic.com/28uu2l1.jpg

[Fred]

i loved the Moonwalker game on Genesis. I played the hell out of that game.

[moz]

http://i43.tinypic.com/2qb7r5c.jpg

[Fred]

first time he did the moonwalk.

['Sider]

The choreography in Smooth Criminal, both video and on stage is unbelievable. And I heard that Lou Ferrigno had been strength training him for this tour he was about to start but he kept showing up at rehearsal in a wheelchair

[Maddict]

michael jackson isnt going to be buried or cremated but recycled as shopping bags so he can remain white, plastic & dangerous for kids to play with.

[Fred]

:etomato:

[moz]

http://i42.tinypic.com/15hoc2w.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2n88sgz.jpg

['Sider]

The viral texts/emails are already circulating....Michael Jackson wont be buried. Since he is plastic, he will be melted and made into Legos so kids can finally play with him....



smh

['Sider]

http://i42.tinypic.com/15hoc2w.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2n88sgz.jpg

Thats killing anything these clowns are putting together today

[Baula McGee19]

RIP to a legend for sure. I was really excited to hear that he was going to tour again. Autopsy reports should be up pretty soon. Its crazy how fast they are doing it(w/in 24 hours).

['Sider]

I read toxicology results in 6-8 weeks, cause of death by Monday. Crazy

[Nephew E]

i loved the Moonwalker game on Genesis. I played the hell out of that game.

you remember the power-up where he changed into his white chopper suit and was fully equipped with the tommy gun. then the special power-up where he turned into the robot just fucking shit up. mike was amazing, long live the king

[SheriffBooth]

I read toxicology results in 6-8 weeks, cause of death by Monday. Crazy

I wonder what the Vegas odds are on cause of death being something off the wall - overdose on valerian root or something. Would seem appropriate for such a weird unit.

I also think it's strange that all the interviews with his "friends" turn out to be middle aged white guys, the one guy I saw this morning had a wife and kids. Where did these dudes come from?

[Nephew E]

I wonder what the Vegas odds are on cause of death being something off the wall - overdose on valerian root or something. Would seem appropriate for such a weird unit.

http://www.epicallyfunnypictures.com/FunnyPictures/ISeeWhatYouDidThere/what-you-did-there-i-see-it.thumbnail.jpg

[TheRazor]

michael jackson isnt going to be buried or cremated but recycled as shopping bags so he can remain white, plastic & dangerous for kids to play with.

OK, that one was kinda weak, here are a few I lol'd at:



• Reports that Michael Jackson has died of a heart attack in his home are untrue…
He actually died having a stroke in the children’s ward.


• Doctors are looking into claims that MJ’s death could have been caused
by an allergic reaction from eating 12 year old nuts.


• Micheal Jackson will always be with us… he is not biodegradable.


• Breaking News: Casper the friendly ghost was molested in the early hours of this morning!


• Madonna sent her condolences to the Jackson family.
Then asked how much they wanted for the kids.


• Michael Jackson hasn’t been this stiff since Macaulay Culkin spent the night at Neverland Ranch.

[MF Prime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRtOOUuGWs0

[Prodigy3]

RIP MJ loves listening, dancing and playing your music

one of a kind artistry

[Tdoggy]

I wouldn't doubt it was drugs or suicide

[Fred]

I wouldn't doubt it was drugs or suicide

I wouldn't be surprised if it was drugs or suicide



We get it.

[Tdoggy]

I hate doing shit on my iPod

['Sider]

Demoral is suspected, administered right before he stopped breathing

[BME]

Demoral is suspected, administered right before he stopped breathing

A close member of Michael Jackson's family has told us Jackson received a daily injection of a synthetic narcotic similar to morphine -- Demerol -- and yesterday he received a shot at 11:30 AM.

Family members are saying the dosage was "too much" and that's what caused his death.

Story developing.

...

[Bartle B]

Great, just about 28 hours since his death and we already have to hear about this shit: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6584011.ece

[Rylo]

Wow on ebay, todays New York Times with Micheal Jacksons death on the front cover, is going for...... $150.

And his thriller album, not even NEW/SEALED, is going for $400.

[Fred]

Wow on ebay, todays New York Times with Micheal Jacksons death on the front cover, is going for...... $150.

And his thriller album, not even NEW/SEALED, is going for $400.
damn, i still have all that shit. I'd sell it but i'm too big a fan. maybe if i'm ever hard up for cash.

[ShimSham]

With all the MJ stuff going on I have had Smooth Criminal stuck in my head allllllllllllllllllll day. Don't get me wrong, love the song, it's my favorite from him. But man I can't shake it.

[TheRazor]

With all the MJ stuff going on I have had Smooth Criminal stuck in my head allllllllllllllllllll day. Don't get me wrong, love the song, it's my favorite from him. But man I can't shake it.


shammy are you ok, are you ok shammy

[Baula McGee19]

Wasnt his Farewell Tour supposed to be his final curtain call stating, "this is it?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3axhIoyaYYo
:12

Is this the start of this so called "Farewell Tour?"


...

Yep and i ... ... ya.

Great, just about 28 hours since his death and we already have to hear about this shit: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6584011.ece

I cant wait to hear everyone of them.

[ShimSham]

shammy are you ok, are you ok shammy
What's worse is I was really bored at work, as usual so I just started singing out loud (I do this pretty often, again out of boredom, but it's not usually MJ) anyway, I thought I was alone.

Nope! Some girl tenant got a good laugh out of listening to me.

[TheRazor]

Ok, I have been hesitant to pay my respects
because I am mad at Michael Jackson

for ruining my perception of him.

Every time I hear anything post thriller...
I think of this dude with his thumb up some kids ass, it's disgusting
but give credit where credit is due, I guess:



Unless you came up in the seventies in the heart and soul of NY's inner city neighborhoods, you wouldn't of even heard of hip hop. There were three vehicles that brought rap music, and breakdancing to the mainstream in the early 80's, all three made a huge splash as far as introducing a new culture, and musical genre that is now a powerful multi-billion dollar industry:


• Rapper's Delight- Sugar Hill Gang (1979) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapper%27s_Delight)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diiL9bqvalo



• The movie: Flashdance (1983) the 2 minute breakdancing scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTZPLvbkYWk




• Michael Jackson's solo performance at Motown 25 (1983)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VASYhabHkM



My generation had the privilege of seeing a legend being born right in front of our very own eyes. I imagine it must have been quite the similar feeling to the kids in the 50's when Elvis hit the scene. It was something that completely reinvented the music industry and would kick down the door and give segue to a whole new culture, musical genre, dance, and the arts.

The relevancy of MJ to hip-hop was with his dancing, his gliding across the stage- "moonwalking", and that infamous one white glove, which was admittedly styled after the break dancing kids in NYC. That one performance effectively kicked down the door and brought the art of b-boying into the mainstream, which in turn catapulted rap music into where it is today.


If ya didn't know, now you do.

[DavePSU]

Anyone who really believes Michael sexually assaulted/molested a child is retarded.

[mtk91]

That moonwalk > my life

[TheRazor]

Anyone who really believes Michael sexually assaulted/molested a child is retarded.

Lets sum it up like this:

Forget about the fact that he payed out a family to drop the intial charges.
Lets forget about that he had a second charge of child molestation against him.

The interview he had with Martin Bashir "Living With Michael Jackson"
where he says and I quote, "many children", have slept in the same bed as him, and he tried to explain himself again in an interview with Ed Bradley from the television show 60 Minutes and it got even weirder.

Then I saw him, with my own eyes, dangle his baby off a fuckin' balcony.


Did he diddle any kids? ~shrugs~

I know his philosophy of sleeping arrangements is inappropriate,
and that stunt with the baby was reckless.

Two things are for sure, this guy wasn't the model child care provider,
yet lured thousands of kids to slumber parties at his mansion with the
petting zoo, and amusement park in the back yard.

I dunno, maybe what Michael Jackson's spokesman, Brian Oxman,
said, after his death was announced, in regards to his drug use could
easily be applied to his other affairs as well.

"where there's smoke, there's usually fire"


I know one thing, I wouldn't have trusted this guy alone with my kids, would you ?

Now, lets see who's retarded

[Rylo]

Breaking News!
Michael Jacksons cause of death has been ruled accidental. Jon and Kate asked him to babysit and he overdosed on Viagra.

LMFAO.

Wow.

[TheRazor]

^"not the mama", Dinosaurs.......... I miss that show

[DavePSU]

Lets sum it up like this:

Forget about the fact that he payed out a family to drop the intial charges.
Lets forget about that he had a second charge of child molestation against him.

The interview he had with Martin Bashir "Living With Michael Jackson"
where he says and I quote, "many children", have slept in the same bed as him, and he tried to explain himself again in an interview with Ed Bradley from the television show 60 Minutes and it got even weirder.

Then I saw him, with my own eyes, dangle his baby off a fuckin' balcony.


Did he diddle any kids? ~shrugs~

I know his philosophy of sleeping arrangements is inappropriate,
and that stunt with the baby was reckless.

Two things are for sure, this guy wasn't the model child care provider,
yet lured thousands of kids to slumber parties at his mansion with the
petting zoo, and amusement park in the back yard.

I dunno, maybe what Michael Jackson's spokesman, Brian Oxman,
said, after his death was announced, in regards to his drug use could
easily be applied to his other affairs as well.

"where there's smoke, there's usually fire"


I know one thing, I wouldn't have trusted this guy alone with my kids, would you ?

Now, lets see who's retarded

It's great how you also forget at the time that his manager SUGGESTED to him to pay off the original family back in the 90's rather than drag it out in court. That's the course of action he took. 4-5 years ago, he was found INNOCENT -- NOT GUILTY... Why? Lack of actual evidence.

What's funny is the fact that you basically say he had thousands of kids invited over to his house, slept in the same bed as probably several dozen different kids...yet only was accused of this act TWICE.... What an anomaly. One time he was found not guilty and the other, he avoided having it dragged out over months and months of court time and just gave the family money.

You'd think if the first incident led to a payoff of 15+ million that MORE parents would have came forward for the opportunity to hit a massive life-changing payday. They didn't... Do you know why? Because shit didn't happen.

Was Jackson ridiculously inept as a parent? Absolutely. Was he completely reckless? Sure.

That doesn't change the fact that with the odds put into place of how many kids probably did go in and out of that joint, only 2 ever seemed to be "touched." Give me a break. With how self-centered America is and how "court-happy" most Americans are in hopes of hitting a quick and easy pay day, it's absolutely astonishing that only 2 alleged incidents occurred. Chances are, and the smart people will figure this out, that shit never really happened.

Michael Jackson was so broken down mentally after the first alleged incident, that he didn't even have the mind capacity to commit the act again. He closed himself out from everything after that original accusation and THAT is when he turned bat-shit crazy with a ton of other stuff... The fact he did nothing but give to the world via donations (More charities than any other person EVER), giving kids great memories for free and inspiring millions resulted in a family trying to accuse him of Child Molestation completely destroyed his mind. He was never the same again.

The idea that he went through the court process the second time instead of just paying the family off should be proof enough that the guy realized he had to make it known that these accusations were all falsified and that he probably shouldn't have ever settled out of court in the 90's.

And no, I wouldn't trust my kid with Jackson after that 90's issue. Not because I'd fear for my kid's life or innocence, but because I wouldn't leave my kid with a mentally broken grown man.... Jackson before that 90's incident? Yes -- I'd let my kid check out Neverland.

[CNStars17]

lol

[Kwon]

lolx2

[TheRazor]

It's great how you also forget at the time that his manager SUGGESTED to him to pay off the original family back in the 90's rather than drag it out in court. That's the course of action he took. 4-5 years ago, he was found INNOCENT -- NOT GUILTY... Why? Lack of actual evidence.

What's funny is the fact that you basically say he had thousands of kids invited over to his house, slept in the same bed as probably several dozen different kids...yet only was accused of this act TWICE.... What an anomaly. One time he was found not guilty and the other, he avoided having it dragged out over months and months of court time and just gave the family money.

You'd think if the first incident led to a payoff of 15+ million that MORE parents would have came forward for the opportunity to hit a massive life-changing payday. They didn't... Do you know why? Because shit didn't happen.

Was Jackson ridiculously inept as a parent? Absolutely. Was he completely reckless? Sure.

That doesn't change the fact that with the odds put into place of how many kids probably did go in and out of that joint, only 2 ever seemed to be "touched." Give me a break. With how self-centered America is and how "court-happy" most Americans are in hopes of hitting a quick and easy pay day, it's absolutely astonishing that only 2 alleged incidents occurred. Chances are, and the smart people will figure this out, that shit never really happened.

Michael Jackson was so broken down mentally after the first alleged incident, that he didn't even have the mind capacity to commit the act again. He closed himself out from everything after that original accusation and THAT is when he turned bat-shit crazy with a ton of other stuff... The fact he did nothing but give to the world via donations (More charities than any other person EVER), giving kids great memories for free and inspiring millions resulted in a family trying to accuse him of Child Molestation completely destroyed his mind. He was never the same again.

The idea that he went through the court process the second time instead of just paying the family off should be proof enough that the guy realized he had to make it known that these accusations were all falsified and that he probably shouldn't have ever settled out of court in the 90's.

And no, I wouldn't trust my kid with Jackson after that 90's issue. Not because I'd fear for my kid's life or innocence, but because I wouldn't leave my kid with a mentally broken grown man.... Jackson before that 90's incident? Yes -- I'd let my kid check out Neverland.



I said never mind the charges, but since you insist, the fact he believes that it is ok to sleep in the same bed with other people's children

is enough for me dude, that is fuckin' creepy, imagine if that was one of your kid's neighborhood friend's father. That shit is suspect.

Sorry to crash down your sequined dreams.


Oh yeah, OJ didn't do it either. lol

[Baula McGee19]

It's great how you also forget at the time that his
Was Jackson ridiculously inept as a parent? Absolutely. Was he completely reckless? Sure.

what else has he done, other than the dangling of the baby episode, that made him ridiculously inept or reckless as a parent?

[Lil BigginZ]

It's great how you also forget at the time that his manager SUGGESTED to him to pay off the original family back in the 90's rather than drag it out in court. That's the course of action he took. 4-5 years ago, he was found INNOCENT -- NOT GUILTY... Why? Lack of actual evidence.

What's funny is the fact that you basically say he had thousands of kids invited over to his house, slept in the same bed as probably several dozen different kids...yet only was accused of this act TWICE.... What an anomaly. One time he was found not guilty and the other, he avoided having it dragged out over months and months of court time and just gave the family money.

You'd think if the first incident led to a payoff of 15+ million that MORE parents would have came forward for the opportunity to hit a massive life-changing payday. They didn't... Do you know why? Because shit didn't happen.

Was Jackson ridiculously inept as a parent? Absolutely. Was he completely reckless? Sure.

That doesn't change the fact that with the odds put into place of how many kids probably did go in and out of that joint, only 2 ever seemed to be "touched." Give me a break. With how self-centered America is and how "court-happy" most Americans are in hopes of hitting a quick and easy pay day, it's absolutely astonishing that only 2 alleged incidents occurred. Chances are, and the smart people will figure this out, that shit never really happened.

Michael Jackson was so broken down mentally after the first alleged incident, that he didn't even have the mind capacity to commit the act again. He closed himself out from everything after that original accusation and THAT is when he turned bat-shit crazy with a ton of other stuff... The fact he did nothing but give to the world via donations (More charities than any other person EVER), giving kids great memories for free and inspiring millions resulted in a family trying to accuse him of Child Molestation completely destroyed his mind. He was never the same again.

The idea that he went through the court process the second time instead of just paying the family off should be proof enough that the guy realized he had to make it known that these accusations were all falsified and that he probably shouldn't have ever settled out of court in the 90's.

And no, I wouldn't trust my kid with Jackson after that 90's issue. Not because I'd fear for my kid's life or innocence, but because I wouldn't leave my kid with a mentally broken grown man.... Jackson before that 90's incident? Yes -- I'd let my kid check out Neverland.


you act like 2 allegations isn't a lot lol how many does it take for you to think something weird is going? one is good enough for me.

[Fred]

I heard some interview yesterday, that was from a few years back, where this doctor did hypnosis on him. He said i did something unethical and asked him if he ever molested any kids and he flat out to me that he hadn't. He asked him then why did you pay off (whatever the kids name is family) and he said because he was just tired of it all. And was tired of dragging it out.

Either way, what Razor said I partially agree with. I think it's pretty inappropriate for a grown ass man to be sleeping with kids. But that's pretty much where it ends.

In the end I loved the man for his music. I grew up during the 80s, when all I knew was MJ. To this day I still listened to his music almost daily. I have his entire collection on my Zune and listen to it at work. When he passed I was shocked and saddened. I don't know why I think it's because he reminded me of when I was kid. That was some of the most fun and carefree times of my life. As far as molesting kids and acting weird, I really don't know what happened. You may not have to like him as a person but if you any kind of fan of music at all you have to respect what he did and how much he's influenced many artists today.

I think Moz said it best earlier. The MJ he and I grew up with died long ago.

[SaveOurSaints]

I was born in 1984. By the time I was old enough to even remember music, was prolly 1990. And really, from 1990 and on, he was one of the most crazy wierded out, messed up dudes of my generation.

From 1990 I saw him change fucking colors, his face get re-done every 2-3 years, him admitting to sleeping in the same bed with young boys.

So personally, He does very little for me, except someone to make jokes on.

[DavePSU]

I said never mind the charges, but since you insist, the fact he believes that it is ok to sleep in the same bed with other people's children

is enough for me dude, that is fuckin' creepy, imagine if that was one of your kid's neighborhood friend's father. That shit is suspect.

Sorry to crash down your sequined dreams.


Oh yeah, OJ didn't do it either. lol

And this is one of the primary reasons that a lot of people on here think you're an artard.

WHY would I "never mind" the charges when the ORIGINAL post you quoted of mine was based ENTIRELY on the those two episodes of his life?

You can't quote someone and start an argument/discussion about it and then entirely say... "Hey, nevermind the actual topic that you just talked about... let's look at everything else that has NOTHING to do with Michael being accused of molestation -- even though that was your entire post..."

Stupid.

EDIT:

PS: The fact Michael Jackson wanted to have slumber parties with kids isn't creepy. When you spend your entire life missing your own childhood and dealing with an abusive father, you're going to end up doing one of two things.

1. You'll become desensitizes of any real child-life emotions in life.
2. You'll find ways to re-live your childhood the way you wished it could have been lived.

Michael Jackson fell into that second category and just wanted to experience/have a childhood that he didn't have growing up because of the celebrity status and the way his father treated him. His mind, from a psychological point, was molded into this form. It wasn't like the creepy old guy up the street who just got out of jail for being a sexual predator because he likes touching kids. Those two guys aren't even similar. It's a frame of mind that put Jackson into that type of situation, but it was never anything sexual, it was innocent and a self-rehabilitating option for Michael to try and have some form off childhood -- something he missed out on and something you can't comprehend on what that would be like for a person.

[HAZE]

Exactly, I mean you don't have to be a friggin psychiatrist to figure out that the kid was forced to act much older than he was by growing up in the spotlight. Then add the fact that Pappa Joe was a wackjob and you have one completely emotionally wrecked person. I really feel bad for Michael, I always did. People make fun of him because of the way he was portrayed in the media but you don't realize that this poor guy gave his whole life FOR US. He sacrificed his whole childhood so we can be entertained, and judging from the fact that even people who think he's a child molester can agree that he was probably the best performer/dancer/entertainer that they've seen, well I guess he did a damn good job of it.

Why do you think he has a freakin' theme park called "Neverland"? Peter Pan? Who's Peter Pan? Oh he's the boy who didn't want to grow up. Sound familiar? His perception of right and wrong was not like ours. In his mind, when he's with kids, he's not a 40+ year old adult, he's just another kid sleeping with another kid the same age, having a slumber party.

I mean, I hate to compare the two, but look at how batshit crazy Britney went and she hasn't had half the rough life that Mike did. People think being a celebrity is all fun and games, but obviously that shit takes a toll on you. Think about this... This guy has been in the spotlight since he was 5 years old and how many times have you SEEN him do anything bad?

Once. When he hung his baby over a ledge, which in reality isn't that bad. I mean come on, do you really think he was gonna drop his own son? When I was little, I remember my dad joking like he was going to throw me over a ledge, but of course he would never drop me. Parents throw their kids up in the air all the time, do they drop them? No, because they are parents and they'd never let themselves do that. Yes, it might have been a little reckless but if I could look back on my whole life and ask myself, "What's the worst thing I've ever done?" and answer with hang my own baby over a ledge in front of a bunch of assholes screaming at me all day to show them my son, I guess I lived a pretty decent life.

The media really wrecked this poor guy's life and it's really sad. Like Dave said, if he was having kids over all the time, why did only 2 of them step up? And of course people say that they would never let their kids sleep with him, but before the trials, I bet they would.

[SaveOurSaints]

I missed out on playing with toy trains as a kid. But wait, since this is now socially acceptable, I will now invite some young boys over to my bedroom and watch them play.


- yeah that wouldn't be creepy or anything....

[TheRazor]

And this is one of the primary reasons that a lot of people on here think you're an artard.

WHY would I "never mind" the charges when the ORIGINAL post you quoted of mine was based ENTIRELY on the those two episodes of his life?

You can't quote someone and start an argument/discussion about it and then entirely say... "Hey, nevermind the actual topic that you just talked about... let's look at everything else that has NOTHING to do with Michael being accused of molestation -- even though that was your entire post..."

Stupid.

EDIT:

PS: The fact Michael Jackson wanted to have slumber parties with kids isn't creepy. When you spend your entire life missing your own childhood and dealing with an abusive father, you're going to end up doing one of two things.

1. You'll become desensitizes of any real child-life emotions in life.
2. You'll find ways to re-live your childhood the way you wished it could have been lived.

Michael Jackson fell into that second category and just wanted to experience/have a childhood that he didn't have growing up because of the celebrity status and the way his father treated him. His mind, from a psychological point, was molded into this form. It wasn't like the creepy old guy up the street who just got out of jail for being a sexual predator because he likes touching kids. Those two guys aren't even similar. It's a frame of mind that put Jackson into that type of situation, but it was never anything sexual, it was innocent and a self-rehabilitating option for Michael to try and have some form off childhood -- something he missed out on and something you can't comprehend on what that would be like for a person.


See this is why I should stay in my little Patriots thread, lol

Dude, I was actually paying my respect to him as an artist and
you attacked my post by saying that anyone who believed he
molested children is a retard, you brought this on, not me.

I presented to you my opinion based on facts, you argue your
opinion based on loose assumptions and stretched excuses.

(Ad hominem arguments are very telling, you should be careful of that)

Then I responded to you by saying "nevermind the charges" the fact
that MJ himself admits to "sleeping with many children" in his bed
and dangles his baby off a balcony is enough for me.

That was MY point I was trying to get across before you decided
to type in your laughable defense

1) If anyone ever accused me of being a pedo I would go to court
spending every last cent I had for as long as it took to clear my name

ESPECIALLY IF I WAS INNOCENT AND IN THE PUBLIC EYE

He had enough money to pay the way, and he did, he paid the
family of the abused kid millions of dollars to stop the litigation
and got off a heinous crime that had plenty of evidence.

The state of California from police to lawyers, social services,
child care advocates, and judges were so enraged that this guy
got away with the crime they changed the laws so that the next
time this ever happened a rich person would not get away with
the same crime by paying off the plaintiff.

or maybe this was a huge conspiracy against Michael Jackson?

At the second trial there were seven men who were requested
to take the oath, seven other alleged victims.

I dunno, from my experience celebrities typically pay off plaintiffs
in cases where the celeb was in the wrong, car accidents, assault,
and claims of that sort as to avoid their reputations being tarnished.

Rape/ and or child molestation charges are enough to tarnish your
image, an innocent person fights those charges.

The second case couldn't be bought out, that's the only reason MJ
went to trial (because of the new Michael Jackson laws that passed)

I dunno maybe I'm wrong, but all I do know is: fuck that


1) he admits to sleeping in the same bed with underage boys

2) he dangles his NEWBORN baby over a balcony


For anyone to try to defend those actions speaks volumes about
any ground they attempt to stand on as a normal human being
and even worse and more concerning,..... as a parent.

[DavePSU]

Why do you write all of your posts like a poem?

I made a general statement. Did I quote your post? No. But apparently you felt the need to respond to it.

You're one of the growing problems of society because you fit into that same group of ever expanding people who always believe the worst of people.

It's funny how you feel there was so much evidence to point out Jackson did it the first time, yet the trial never took place for that evidence to be laid out. So, how do you know?

Here. Let me lay it out for the uninformed (YOU).

1. In 1994 the STATE CLOSED its criminal investigation against Michael Jackson. Why? Because they had a LACK OF EVIDENCE.

2. Jordan Chandler REFUSED to testify against Michael Jackson. Wow -- I wonder why.

3. Jordan Chandler's father, Evan Chandler, DESPISED Michael Jackson having a friendship with his son from the get go.

4. The ONLY viable Evidence from 1993's incident was USED AGAINST JACKSON in 2005. Guess what happened? Jackson was ACQUITTED DUE TO A LACK OF SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

LOL

Now let's all use deductive reasoning here and put one and one together.

Ok, thanks. Sounds to me like you're presenting a lot of "facts" based on loose assumptions of your own mixed it with a bit of speculation.

[Cigaro]

I love how Michael Jackson went from the child molesting, skin bleaching freak he's been for quite a few years, to back to Jesus overnight.

[TheRazor]

In the end I loved the man for his music. I grew up during the 80s, when all I knew was MJ. To this day I still listened to his music almost daily. I have his entire collection on my Zune and listen to it at work. When he passed I was shocked and saddened.

http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp225/eggfart/0626_cory_feldman_1570329_pcn_exc-1.jpg

[facough36]

I need those glasses.

[BME]

Why was Fred quoted - with a picture of Cory Feldman.

[TheRazor]

Why do you write all of your posts like a poem?

I made a general statement. Did I quote your post? No. But apparently you felt the need to respond to it.

You're one of the growing problems of society because you fit into that same group of ever expanding people who always believe the worst of people.

It's funny how you feel there was so much evidence to point out Jackson did it the first time, yet the trial never took place for that evidence to be laid out. So, how do you know?

Here. Let me lay it out for the uninformed (YOU).

1. In 1994 the STATE CLOSED its criminal investigation against Michael Jackson. Why? Because they had a LACK OF EVIDENCE.

2. Jordan Chandler REFUSED to testify against Michael Jackson. Wow -- I wonder why.

3. Jordan Chandler's father, Evan Chandler, DESPISED Michael Jackson having a friendship with his son from the get go.

4. The ONLY viable Evidence from 1993's incident was USED AGAINST JACKSON in 2005. Guess what happened? Jackson was ACQUITTED DUE TO A LACK OF SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE.

LOL

Now let's all use deductive reasoning here and put one and one together.

Ok, thanks. Sounds to me like you're presenting a lot of "facts" based on loose assumptions of your own mixed it with a bit of speculation.


MORE THAN TWO KIDS CAME FORTH ON MOLESTATION ALLEGATIONS
How come you're skipping over that area, LOL





For anyone else who might not be hip to the facts, here
read them for yourselves, watch the interviews:

Child Molestation accusations against Michael Jackson (1993) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michae l_Jackson)

People vs. Michael Jackson (2005) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson)


like I said... that's enough for me

[moz]

See this is why I should stay in my little Patriots thread, lol


Not even that.....

[facough36]

How come celebrities get all the good drugs? Share that shit.

[moz]

How come celebrities get all the good drugs? Share that shit.
lol demoral


You know you're a junkie when you get a shot of this every morning.

[moz]

Ok, I have been hesitant to pay my respects
because I am mad at Michael Jackson

for ruining my perception of him.


Really? No mention of the media, who up until his death were making fun of everything he did?


Problem is this. When you become as big as MJ was, there is no way for you to stay sane or be normal. Add his shitty, non existent childhood in with a heartless bastard of a father and you have the recipe for someone who doesn't even know who they really are.

[facough36]

lol demoral


You know you're a junkie when you get a shot of this every morning.

lol you gotta figure that dude was in pain all the time

[DavePSU]

MORE THAN TWO KIDS CAME FORTH ON MOLESTATION ALLEGATIONS
How come you're skipping over that area, LOL





For anyone else who might not be hip to the facts, here
read them for yourselves, watch the interviews:

Child Molestation accusations against Michael Jackson (1993) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michae l_Jackson)

People vs. Michael Jackson (2005) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Jackson)


like I said... that's enough for me

Did you even read those? LOL

They say the exact same things I just stated to you... Do you know why? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE I LAID OUT MY FACTS FOR YOU FROM!

Thanks -- Game - Set - Match. Douchebag.

[Prodigy3]

Anyone who really believes Michael sexually assaulted/molested a child is retarded.


I don't know about that Dave
I mean if you 25+yrs old you getting off on something. Its only human as these priest and what not have shown. Maybe MJ did like women but if he did why was all his kids in vitro fert? All I know a man has some kinda sexual desire and unfortunately MJ's might have been kids.

I still pay respect to the trail blazer he is because alot of the extremely gifted artist usually have some deep emotional problems.

i.e Anna Nicole..after I saw her in Naked Gun she single handidly upped my love for Big Breastteses X10...now that is what I call Major influence ;)

"I gotta have'em"

[Baula McGee19]

http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/42876-2/Jackson_popcorn.gif

[DavePSU]

I don't know about that Dave
I mean if you 25+yrs old you getting off on something. Its only human as these priest and what not have shown. Maybe MJ did like women but if he did why was all his kids in vitro fert? All I know a man has some kinda sexual desire and unfortunately MJ's might have been kids.

I still pay respect to the trail blazer he is because alot of the extremely gifted artist usually have some deep emotional problems.

i.e Anna Nicole..after I saw her in Naked Gun she single handidly upped my love for Big Breastteses X10...now that is what I call Major influence ;)

Michael was 25+ with the mind of a 10 year old. Big difference in the world of psychology.

[HAZE]

For anyone else who might not be hip to the facts, here
read them for yourselves, watch the interviews:

Child Molestation accusations against Michael Jackson (1993) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_child_sexual_abuse_accusations_against_Michae l_Jackson)


By this statement alone, you can see that the media basically killed Michael Jackson. That's where his dependence on pain meds began.

On December 22, Jackson responded to the allegations and everything that had occurred for the first time via satellite from his ranch:

As you may already know, after my tour ended I remained out of the country [US] undergoing treatment for a dependency on pain medication...There have been many disgusting statements made recently concerning allegations of improper conduct on my part. These statements about me are totally false...I will say I am particularly upset by the handling of the mass matter by the incredible, terrible mass media. At every opportunity, the media has dissected and manipulated these allegations to reach their own conclusions. I ask all of you to wait and hear the truth before you label or condemn me. Don't treat me like a criminal, because I am innocent. I have been forced to submit to a dehumanizing and humiliating examination...It was the most humiliating ordeal of my life...But if this is what I have to endure to prove my innocence, my complete innocence, so be it.[13][14][28]
—Michael Jackson

[DavePSU]

By this statement alone, you can see that the media basically killed Michael Jackson. That's where his dependence on pain meds began.

My favorite part was the Evan Chandler phone call...

There was no reason why he [Jackson] had to stop calling me...I picked the nastiest son of a bitch I could find [Evan Chandler's lawyer, Barry Rothman], all he wants to do is get this out in the public as fast as he can, as big as he can and humiliate as many people as he can. He's nasty, he's mean, he's smart and he's hungry for publicity. Everything's going to a certain plan that isn't just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it. I've given him full authority to do that. Jackson is an evil guy, he is worse than that and I have the evidence to prove it. If I go through with this, I win big-time. There's no way I lose. I will get everything I want and they will be destroyed forever...Michael's career will be over.

LOL Like that doesn't scream... I'm in it for the money, fuck my family...give me the money...

Let's not forget that Evan Chandler was $68,000 in debt for late payments of CHILD SUPPORT.

LOL

I love how he doesn't even mention his kid or how he's trying to get justice for the child he supposedly cares so much about, LOL.... It's ridiculous.

[Baula McGee19]

Mr. Chandler sounds like a hypocrite to me who needs to take care of his own damn business rather than worrying about others.

[DavePSU]

Mr. Chandler sounds like a hypocrite to me

No kidding. It was pretty evident that he hated Jackson and was jealous of the fact Jackson was taking care of his family when he couldn't, lol. Let's also not forget that Chandler DRUGGED his son in order to get his son to say Jackson molested him, lol. By that time, the kid was probably so traumatized by it, he probably had himself believing that it had happened...

---

Fun fact -- The second case against Jackson... The mother approached the SAME lawyer as Chandler did (probably because of the money settlement) BEFORE even going to Police, lol.

[TheRazor]

The only reason the second allegations went to trial
was because of the laws that were created from the
first molestation charges.

MJ couldn't pay shut up money, the state took him to court.

More than two children have claimed the same thing has
happened to them, and they weren't after his money.

More than a few people close to Jackson have come forth
with explicit details of Michael's actions with children.

The media?
sure the media hurt him, the media made him as well
That's how it works.

two types of people settle out of court:

1) Those that are trying to save money, and face, in the long run.

2) Those that are afraid of being found guilty


MJ gave that first family 22 million dollars to shut up and drop the charges.
That is not saving money. Plus, it's was a drop in the bucket to him, he had plenty to spend on the best lawyers money could buy.

MJ, in doing this, actually tarnished his image worse. He could have gone through trial and cleared his name, why didn't he??????????


cause he was guilty that's why


Michael Jackson was a genius musician
and an emotionally damaged, eccentric, drug addicted pedophile.
good riddance

His kids are safer now

[DavePSU]

Michael Jackson didn't go to trial in 1993 because his health was starting to deteriorate. Why don't you try reading your own links you're providing?

It's funny how all of these kids were coming forward, not looking for money, yet Jackson was still found not guilty. Says all it needs to say... Those wanting to compare this to O.J Simpson are illogical. O.J. was found innocent because of a ridiculous glove not fitting. I'm sure Michael's gloves fit fine...both sexually and performance-wise.

[TheRazor]

Really? No mention of the media, who up until his death were making fun of everything he did?


Problem is this. When you become as big as MJ was, there is no way for you to stay sane or be normal. Add his shitty, non existent childhood in with a heartless bastard of a father and you have the recipe for someone who doesn't even know who they really are.

So, that excuses him from fuckin little boys, is that your rationale?
or are you saying it was all one big media conspiracy?

[Fred]

Is there proof that he did?

[DavePSU]

So, that excuses him from fuckin little boys, is that your rationale?
or are you saying it was all one big media conspiracy?

Hey, moron, you're the one arguing for something that was PROVEN to not happen... Do you know what that is called? A CONSPIRACY.

Taylor then called in more legal professionals on Jackson's behalf. Eventually Presley, Taylor, and Jackson's team all agreed that the singer should settle out of court; it was their opinion that the entertainer's health had deteriorated to such a degree that he could not endure a lengthy trial.

The media is going to print what SELLS papers. NEGATIVITY SELLS NEWSPAPERS. Are you this stupid or have you practiced at it a little bit?

Jackson's records CONTINUED to sell well in 1995 for a reason. People KNEW he didn't do it.

Apparently you lack any and all rationale...putz.

[TheRazor]

Is there proof that he did?


All I am going to say is this:

Just because one person is found guilty or innocent in the court of law
does not necessarily mean that the crime/ transgressions were or were not committed, hence my reference to OJ Simpson.

The legal system is a shadow of justice, distorted and sometimes misleading,
your foolish and blind if you believe otherwise, read Plato's Cave allegory.

I am done with this thread, I feel I have wasted enough time and energy.

[DavePSU]

Where did you get Wacko Jacko from? Oh -- a Lawyer through the media.

Great job.

'Suspect' isn't guilty.

Point proven. You can leave now.

[nix]

This isn't the PS3 you don't have to get your panties in a bind.

[DavePSU]

Way to edit the post -- lol.

Also -- great way to avoid Fred's question. When it comes down to proof -- there is none. Go figure.

You're a tool -- I wish they'd just ban you again. It's a shame Michael Jackson wasn't a tool like Bill Belicheat and recording everything that went on. Then maybe there would be video evidence.

[TheRazor]

Point proven. You can leave now.

http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27966&d=1218131968

[DavePSU]

http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27966&d=1218131968

http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/cheaties.jpg

[TheRazor]

I wish they'd just ban you again. It's a shame Michael Jackson wasn't a tool like Bill Belicheat


AH HA!!!!! That's what it comes down to! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

because I am a fan of The New England Patriots, and write about them
and you... you are a big fan of an alleged pedophile, because you sure
ain't writing about his music, buddy. What type of secrets are you hiding?

disturbing...

[DavePSU]

AH HA!!!!! That's what it comes down to! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

because I am a fan of The New England Patriots, and write about them
and you... you are a big fan of a dead pedophile, because you sure ain't
writing about his music, buddy. What type of secrets are you hiding?

disturbing...

Don't remember stating anywhere that I was a fan.

[SaveOurSaints]

Children that have been sexually abused tend to sexually abuse others as an adult. Michael Jackson on many occassions had "bedroom" relations with young boys. Michael Jackson was mentally unstable and took drugs. He had mega self esteem issues and re-did his entire face a half dozen times or so. Multiple cases/allegations were brought against him for inappropriate behavior to young boys.

- That is the facts. He was never "guilty" of any wrong doing. And people are innonocent unless proved otherwise. But to me atleast, there are enough pieces of the puzzle to see what the actual picture is. If I had to guess one way or another. Then I would say, down the line, at some point, something happened.

[Baula McGee19]

lol

[SaveOurSaints]

Where did you get Wacko Jacko from? Oh -- a Lawyer through the media.

Great job.

'Suspect' isn't guilty.

Point proven. You can leave now.

Don't mean to jump into that argument, but you do know that Jackson himself admitted to leaking lies and untrue stories to the media. Which helped coined the name "Wacko Jacko"


Why he did this? I have no clue.

[Baula McGee19]

blah
blah

[DavePSU]

Don't mean to jump into that argument, but you do know that Jackson himself admitted to leaking lies and untrue stories to the media. Which helped coined the name "Wacko Jacko"


Why he did this? I have no clue.

Wacko Jacko was a coined phrase by the opposing Lawyer from the 2005 Trial (well, that was when it was acquired officially anyways).

Also -- the leaked stories were hilarious, nothing serious.

[Baula McGee19]

http://bayimg.com/image/dabklaacj.jpg

[TheRazor]

Children that have been sexually abused tend to sexually abuse others as an adult. Michael Jackson on many occassions had "bedroom" relations with young boys. Michael Jackson was mentally unstable and took drugs. He had mega self esteem issues and re-did his entire face a half dozen times or so. Multiple cases/allegations were brought against him for inappropriate behavior to young boys.

- That is the facts. He was never "guilty" of any wrong doing. And people are innonocent unless proved otherwise. But to me atleast, there are enough pieces of the puzzle to see what the actual picture is. If I had to guess one way or another. Then I would say, down the line, at some point, something happened.

Finally, a voice of reason.

I agree with you 100% and that was my point to begin with.
I was actually trying to pay respect to his musical endeavors
with my initial post, and yeah I have mixed feelings.

I was a big fan as a kid, and as I got older and more pieces
became evident I completely lost all respect for the man.

So yeah, too bad about his missing childhood, and abusive
father, too bad about all the tragedies in his life, but that
does not give him a free pass for everything else that has
been proven and admitted to by none other than MJ.

case closed


(post edit: and it's really too bad that this Dave guy, who obviously
has something emotionally invested in MJ's whole molestation charges
had to resort to childish name calling. I am entitled to my own opinion)

[DavePSU]

So yeah, too bad about his missing childhood, and abusive
father, too bad about all the tragedies in his life, but that
does not give him a free pass for everything else that has
been proven and admitted to by none other than MJ.



What? LOL

[TheRazor]

What? LOL

Which word did you not understand, Dave?

[DavePSU]

Which word did you not understand, Dave?

You mean where Michael admitted that Bubbles, the monkey, didn't clean his bathroom for him? LOL

[TheRazor]

You mean where Michael admitted that Bubbles, the monkey, didn't clean his bathroom for him? LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY9_d0y6SJU

[DavePSU]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY9_d0y6SJU

I'm still waiting for you to show proof of illegal activity. I still have yet to see it from you. Michael doesn't admit anything illegal in that video.

Keep digging. You'll find shit eventually -- I'm sure.

[SaveOurSaints]

I think Fred said this earlier. The MJ they knew died a long time ago. As an individual from the 80's to the very early 90's he was the biggest thing in music. Then he went downhill. Battling trials or what not, he lost control of himself.

His "highs" are just about on par with his "lows".

This guy was successful and was the face of music
http://www.blogissues.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/thriller-michael-jackson.jpg


Then, this guy was millions of dollar in debt and the face of wacko jacko
http://www.snopes.com/photos/people/graphics/jackson3.jpg

[TheRazor]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY9_d0y6SJU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RghviWHRY9U

I dunno a lot of things, Dave
but what I do know is a liar when I see one

That guy is fucking lying
disgusting

[DavePSU]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY9_d0y6SJU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RghviWHRY9U

I dunno a lot of things, Dave
but what I do know is a liar when I see one

That guy is fucking lying
disgusting

Yet you support a team that did nothing but lie through a decade of sports and continue to support them?

Michael Jackson didn't lie about anything in regards to molesting kids.

[SaveOurSaints]

I'm still waiting for you to show proof of illegal activity. I still have yet to see it from you. Michael doesn't admit anything illegal in that video.

Keep digging. You'll find shit eventually -- I'm sure.

To play devil's advocate. And for the sake of this discussion, lets say he did do something illegal in his time on earth. Why would he admit that?

An admission that would give up 20+ years in federal prison.


Also, in the video I lol'd at when he said "I think I have had 2 surgeries done to my face....that I can remember"

- yeah because people generally might forget having a scalpel shoved 2 inches into their face for 5+ hours at a time.

[TheRazor]

To play devil's advocate. And for the sake of this discussion, lets say he did do something illegal in his time on earth. Why would he admit that?

An admission that would give up 20+ years in federal prison.


Also, in the video I lol'd at when he said "I think I have had 2 surgeries done to my face....that I can remember"

- yeah because people generally might forget having a scalpel shoved 2 inches into their face for 5+ hours at a time.

http://thumbnails.hulu.com/13/935/61265_512x288_generated__okdmLLDPRkihgnahn8zCFg.jp g

[DavePSU]

To play devil's advocate. And for the sake of this discussion, lets say he did do something illegal in his time on earth. Why would he admit that?

An admission that would give up 20+ years in federal prison.


Also, in the video I lol'd at when he said "I think I have had 2 surgeries done to my face....that I can remember"

- yeah because people generally might forget having a scalpel shoved 2 inches into their face for 5+ hours at a time.

Are you really going to get on him for surgeries? Seriously? The dude went through his entire life with his dad calling him "Big nose." He tried whatever he could to change that aspect of his life.

As for the Devil's Advocate. People have admitted to things far worse (See: Timothy McVeigh). It's not like it doesn't happen.

[TheRazor]

Yet you support a team that did nothing but lie through a decade of sports and continue to support them?


I find something fundamentally wrong with someone who would
compare taping defensive hand signals for scouting purposes with
allegations and criminal proceedings of child molestation.

Whats even worse is what I have just realized:
This same type of human is who I have been debating all afternoon.

shame on me.

[Fred]

I am done with this thread, I feel I have wasted enough time and energy.

:ninja:

[SaveOurSaints]

Are you really going to get on him for surgeries? Seriously? The dude went through his entire life with his dad calling him "Big nose." He tried whatever he could to change that aspect of his life.

As for the Devil's Advocate. People have admitted to things far worse (See: Timothy McVeigh). It's not like it doesn't happen.

I wasn't ragging on him for the surgeries. Just his answer I thought was amusing.

Soley because I would imagine most people would know, without a shadow of a doubt, how many facial reconstructive surgieries they have had in there life.


But, another question for you. Do you think its creepy that a grown man would harbor pre-pubesent boys in his bedroom at night?

Or does he get a free pass on creepyness because he was a child star during his youth?

[DavePSU]

I wasn't ragging on him for the surgeries. Just his answer I thought was amusing.

Soley because I would imagine most people would know, without a shadow of a doubt, how many facial reconstructive surgieries they have had in there life.


But, another question for you. Do you think its creepy that a grown man would harbor pre-pubesent boys in his bedroom at night?

Or does he get a free pass on creepyness because he was a child star during his youth?

It's creepy for a grown man to do what Jackson did. But the scenario with Jackson isn't exactly A-typical. The guy had the mindframe of a child. In his head, he was just another kid having other kids sleep over at his house. It was his frame of reference. Thus the entire Peter Pan references with Neverland, etc... the kid that never grew up.

[Bartle B]

Jordan Chandler admits to lying about molestation at the hands of Michael Jackson: http://awkwardstar.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/jordan-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-jackson/

Note: Sorry if this has been discussed already, I just found out about it.

[DavePSU]

Jordan Chandler admits to lying about molestation at the hands of Michael Jackson: http://awkwardstar.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/jordan-chandler-admits-he-lied-about-michael-jackson/

Note: Sorry if this has been discussed already, I just found out about it.

This story has no source, etc.

[dmull]

the more i read and watch on michael jackson, the more i just feel sorry for him.

completely agree with pretty much everything dave has said.

[dmull]

Children that have been sexually abused tend to sexually abuse others as an adult. Michael Jackson on many occassions had "bedroom" relations with young boys. Michael Jackson was mentally unstable and took drugs. He had mega self esteem issues and re-did his entire face a half dozen times or so. Multiple cases/allegations were brought against him for inappropriate behavior to young boys.

except jackson was never sexually abused by his father. only physically and emotionally.

[Kwon]

lol

[BookerT316]

R.I.P. King of Pop

[Fred]

where you been man?

[BookerT316]

What's good Fred. Well during the end of the NFL season and the NBA playoffs just didn't have anything to talk about, working long hours, sliped and messed up my knee again so all I did when I got off of work was lay in the bed watching movies and I didn't get that feeling to post.

[CR Knight]

http://i40.tinypic.com/b5kw85.gif

heads up: MJ's Thriller video is up on XBL for free

[TheRazor]

I am done with this thread, I feel I have wasted enough time and energy.

:ninja:


Dude, hilariousness, had me laughing.



DavePSU:

I just re-read our banter, and although I think you were fishing for this debate, it is quite obvious you feel pretty strong about your position.

Me, it's just a feeling I get every time I listen to anything beyond the "Thriller" album, I think about the allegations and weirdness, then couple that with his interviews on the subject and the baby dangling incident and I come away with these feeling of disgust. I cannot help it, it's like an association thing and it just happens. Believe me, there is no one out there who would want all this molestation crap to be non existent more than me, as a kid I thought Michael Jackson was the absolute shit, a stupid white boy who wanted jheri curls, high waters, and zipper jackets, just like him. lol

I just cannot get past everything else that has happened since, that's all.

What is more concerning to me is the fact that you had to link my opinions on this matter to the fact that I live in New England and follow the Patriots, that is just retarded, and I think you know it. More likely than not that was just your way of trying to get my goat, a childish way to lash back, but as fate would have it... there is more to that connection:

Michael Jackson and Patriots: Victory begets Victories (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/victory-begets-victories/)

How Michael Jackson Saved the Patriots (http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/2009/06/how_michael_jac.html)

Michael Jackson played key role in Robert Kraft's Victory Tour (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view.bg?articleid=1181484&srvc=sports&position=recent)

Thanks to the Jackson 5 for having an unsuccessful tour, ultimately that's what allowed Robert Kraft to become the new owner and the eventual beginnings of the current New England Patriot dynasty.


http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp225/eggfart/c.jpg

RIP MJ, The New England Patriots will honor you by winning the 2009 SuperBowl

[SaveOurSaints]

RIP MJ, The New England Patriots will honor you by winning the 2009 SuperBowl

2009 superbowl was already played.

[Lil BigginZ]

2009 superbowl was already played.

no it hasn't

[TheRazor]

2009 superbowl was already played.

hear that? that's the sound of lost credibility

[Kwon]

rip michael jefferson


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E80gqyz4Z4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC4pWq3653k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNdMmCRVT3k

one of the best south park episode ever...

[RaiderNdaBlood]

When people die everything always turns into ranibows and fucking sherberts. Gangster A gets murdered in front of his house and all we here about is how he was a good person deep down inside and how he helped his mom bring in the groceries that one time. Nevermind the fact that said Gangster A was still a low life thug who may have already taken lives himself.

I hate getting into this shit because the MJ apologist will always point to the "is their proof" bs but at the same time these people would never DREAM of letting their kids spend one night with MJ... he wasn't guilty right? Just a grown up kid right?

lol.

[dmull]

apparently he didn't include his dad in his will. awesome.

[Kwon]

They never miss you till you are gone.

[DavePSU]

They never miss you till you are gone.

His name is Bradford, not Braford.

The announcing booth is missing a gem with you stuck on a message board.

['Sider]

lol

[Kwon]

lol..i gotta start editing my shit more often. mfers are pouncing on me for the smallest of errors.

[Fred]

lol pouncing.

[Baula McGee19]

apparently he didn't include his dad in his will. awesome.

Did you hear his dad when CNN interviewed him..? Very indifferent to what all just happen about his sone. Hell, he even plugged his record label/blue ray crap that him and some old man his age are doing.

wtf... seriously

He didnt even address Mike as his son. Instead he would say entertainer. He didnt even know that Janet was at the BET awards. He thought he was the only one representing the family. Something fishing going on.


And why in the hell AL SHARPTAN involved!!!????

Looking at Al, Joe and who ever up there talking about the family situation is just plain bad PR in my opinion. Al should not be speaking ... let alone Joe.








oh BTW DavePSU is on fire! He has been gettin all in Kwon's ass. I think they have a crush on each other.


lol

['Sider]

I can explain it all, Joe Jackson is a retard.


Carry on...

[Baula McGee19]

http://www.californiarumor.com/files/images/import/joe%20jackson.jpg

['Sider]

lmfao, wow, I dont wanna say it, I dont wanna say it...............

[SaveOurSaints]

I don't think MJ is really even dead. I expect a multi-platnium coloborative track with Tupac within the year.

[Baula McGee19]

I don't think MJ is really even dead. I expect a multi-platnium coloborative track with Makaveli within the year.

fix'd

[Fred]

http://www.californiarumor.com/files/images/import/joe%20jackson.jpg
str8 playa

look at those eyebrows.

[SheriffBooth]

and the pencil thin mustache and neckerchief

a neckerchief, really?

http://www.geocities.com/threescompanynumber1fan/23.JPG

[Fred]

lol Mr. Furley

[MannyBeltre]

When people die everything always turns into ranibows and fucking sherberts. Gangster A gets murdered in front of his house and all we here about is how he was a good person deep down inside and how he helped his mom bring in the groceries that one time. Nevermind the fact that said Gangster A was still a low life thug who may have already taken lives himself.

I hate getting into this shit because the MJ apologist will always point to the "is their proof" bs but at the same time these people would never DREAM of letting their kids spend one night with MJ... he wasn't guilty right? Just a grown up kid right?

lol.

I think that is an irrelevant argument. Anyone who lets their kids stay at a strangers house overnight is an idiot.

I'm not an MJ fan or an MJ hater, but through all of the stuff I have watched and read I don't believe he would harm any kid. Is it possible he has thought of them sexually, absolutely. But I don't think he would want to harm a child with the childhood and depression he went through in his adolescence.

As a fan of the Lakers you should understand this more than anyone I think. That girl who accused Kobe of rape was just trying to capitalize off of his fame, which she did. Is it not plausible that two families tried to do the exact same thing to Jackson?

[Baula McGee19]

Is it possible he has thought of them sexually, absolutely.



For instance....
http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Hilarious%20Michael%20Jackson.jpg
Looking at this pic you can spin it as something dirty.

But in real life all he's doing is feeding the needy with bread, just like Jesus.

['Sider]

lol wow

[Kwon]

lol x1 at mj not being a child molester


http://www.google.com/#hl=en&ei=qnJKSqC3C5HeMYjKnbMK&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=child+molester&spell=1&fp=OzgK0dwM7rU

lol x2

http://www.google.com/#q=child%20molester&hl=en&sa=X&output=search&tbs=rcnt:1&tbo=1&fp=GbjWN24_6Ik

lol x3

lol x4 at michaels name being frequent in every search

[Baula McGee19]

lol wow

yea I know... Its has the size, but I thought it would be slightly whiter.

[Kwon]

For instance....
http://www.all4humor.com/images/files/Hilarious%20Michael%20Jackson.jpg
Looking at this pic you can spin it as something dirty.

But in real life all he's doing is feeding the needy with bread, just like Jesus.

yea I know... Its has the size, but I thought it would be slightly whiter.

im more amazed by his nutsack. It looks like a miniature tire.

[Baula McGee19]

what... ? Youre looking at his nutsack....??.


boy what in the hell is wrong with you? Thats Michael Jackson he will rape you.

[Kwon]

what... ? Youre looking at his nutsack....??.


boy what in the hell is wrong with you? Thats Michael Jackson he will rape you.

He cant touch this. Its to much to handle.

[Baula McGee19]

...

['Sider]

This thread went south quick, you too need to get a room

[RaiderNdaBlood]

I think that is an irrelevant argument. Anyone who lets their kids stay at a strangers house overnight is an idiot.

I'm not an MJ fan or an MJ hater, but through all of the stuff I have watched and read I don't believe he would harm any kid. Is it possible he has thought of them sexually, absolutely. But I don't think he would want to harm a child with the childhood and depression he went through in his adolescence.

As a fan of the Lakers you should understand this more than anyone I think. That girl who accused Kobe of rape was just trying to capitalize off of his fame, which she did. Is it not plausible that two families tried to do the exact same thing to Jackson?


Ok let's say your friend of 15 years told you he enjoyed having children (boys mainly since little girls were not allowed to sleep in MJ's room according to various testimonies) sleep in his bed. Would you then be ok with your kid spending the night (What if he also built a fantasy land in his back yard would this not concern you then)? And for the love of god stop with this whole "he didint have a childhood bullshit" fuck that do you know how many people in this world did not have a childhood? Shit almost all my family in Mexico had to work from 6 years and on thus totally eliminating thier childhood yet none of them now have an infatuation with little boys.

As a Laker fan I care very little for Kobe's personal life it is what it is. The only thing I expect from Kobe is on the basketball court and as long as he does not pay any of my bills it will remain this way. Maybe it's because I have two boys of my own that MJ totally disgusts me while Kobe's does not seem as bad due to the supposed rape being with a women of age and the fact that she was a bonafide whore and the fact that this bitch even rapped about the experience... google is your friend.

['Sider]

Ok let's say your friend of 15 years told you he enjoyed having children (boys mainly since little girls were not allowed to sleep in MJ's room according to various testimonies) sleep in his bed. Would you then be ok with your kid spending the night (What if he also built a fantasy land in his back yard would this not concern you then)? And for the love of god stop with this whole "he didint have a childhood bullshit" fuck that do you know how many people in this world did not have a childhood? Shit almost all my family in Mexico had to work from 6 years and on thus totally eliminating thier childhood yet none of them now have an infatuation with little boys.

As a Laker fan I care very little for Kobe's personal life it is what it is. The only thing I expect from Kobe is on the basketball court and as long as he does not pay any of my bills it will remain this way. Maybe it's because I have two boys of my own that MJ totally disgusts me while Kobe's does not seem as bad due to the supposed rape being with a women of age and the fact that she was a bonafide whore and the fact that this bitch even rapped about the experience... google is your friend.


Sorry, that made me LOL for real

[MannyBeltre]

Ok let's say your friend of 15 years told you he enjoyed having children (boys mainly since little girls were not allowed to sleep in MJ's room according to various testimonies) sleep in his bed. Would you then be ok with your kid spending the night (What if he also built a fantasy land in his back yard would this not concern you then)? And for the love of god stop with this whole "he didint have a childhood bullshit" fuck that do you know how many people in this world did not have a childhood? Shit almost all my family in Mexico had to work from 6 years and on thus totally eliminating thier childhood yet none of them now have an infatuation with little boys.

As a Laker fan I care very little for Kobe's personal life it is what it is. The only thing I expect from Kobe is on the basketball court and as long as he does not pay any of my bills it will remain this way. Maybe it's because I have two boys of my own that MJ totally disgusts me while Kobe's does not seem as bad due to the supposed rape being with a women of age and the fact that she was a bonafide whore and the fact that this bitch even rapped about the experience... google is your friend.

THe question your asking though does not tie in with Jackson, people were sending their children there without speaking with him, doing that with anyone is stupidity. But to answer your question, no I would not let my children sleep in another man's bed if he professed to enjoy having kids in his bed.

But as I was saying before, I do not believe Jackson did anything with those children. This is a guy who when first offered sex in his life put his hands over his eyes and got scared (what he said in an interview I watched), the only reason I bring up the "didn't have a childhood" is because of that he never grew up. I think in his mind it was not a man and a child sleeping in a bed, it was two children. Is he wrong, yes, but how often during any sleepovers with friends in the past did anyone share a queen sized bed with a friend or one of them slept on the floor.

The dude had something wrong mentally, but I don't think that ever lead him towards molesting a child. Like I said I'm neither a fan of his or a hater, its just my conclusion after researching with all the news the past few days.

But the last part of your reply and how illegitimate the source was for the Kobe situation is no different from the two Jackson lawsuits. With the first it has been shown that the father of the accuser was after money. The second, I find it as no coincidence that right after the interview of "Living with Michael Jackson" is aired and the whole controversy of him with the boy in the interview previously sharing a room that someone throws a lawsuit his way for molestation.

Like I said before, the girl in the Kobe case appeared to be after financial gain, is it not plausible that the two accusers were the same?

[RaiderNdaBlood]

We have seem to come off the tracks a bit since my original beef was how the media is throwing a national vigel for a child predator but I digress. You said it yourself you would not trust a grown ass man sleeping in bed with your child regardless if you did not know him or knew him for 15 years. I agree with that since it seems like the logical answer but in the same breath your still think this guy is innocent. I'm sure if any of us found out one of our friends did anything remotely close to what MJ has done or said we would immediately cut ties with them. These are all logical statements that a sane person would make but as a nation our dumbasses overlook the facts because he could sing and dance... once again sad.

[moz]

As weird as he is, I don't think he did that. The kids had everything and they wanted to take advantage of him.


Like you said, what kind of parents would let their children stay with MJ? Think about that, and you'll find the answer may shock you. :rolleyes:

[moz]

lol Mr. Furley
I assume Sheriff has the Mr. Furley collection for big cases. I know I do......

[RaiderNdaBlood]

It's a continous circle of death...

I say: hes a child predator

MJ fans: no proof, messed up childhood, kid at heart.

I say: Would you let your child spend the night, shit fuck spending the night would you leave your child in the room with him alone for 3 minutes?

MJ fans:... ummmm well of course not because [insert bullshit reason other than he has been accused of raping two little boys)

I say: See fucker!

MJ fans: It's different.

.

Was he a great musician, yes of course. Did he rape little boys, most likely. My mind focuses more on the latter others on the before either way he's dead.

[moz]

It's a continous circle of death...

I say: hes a child predator

MJ fans: no proof, messed up childhood, kid at heart.

I say: Would you let your child spend the night, shit fuck spending the night would you leave your child in the room with him alone for 3 minutes?

MJ fans:... ummmm well of course not because [insert bullshit reason other than he has been accused of raping two little boys)

I say: See fucker!

MJ fans: It's different.

.

Was he a great musician, yes of course. Did he rape little boys, most likely. My mind focuses more on the latter others on the before either way he's dead.
So then why isn't Kobe guilty in your eyes, or is he too?


The point is, nobody knows...not you, me or anyone else here. You're opinion is cool, but that doesn't make it the truth. I agree it's stupid for society to mourn a guy they were making fun of a week before for years.


He wasn't a musician btw, he was a singer/performer. I don't believe he ever played instruments as well as he entertained.

[RaiderNdaBlood]

So then why isn't Kobe guilty in your eyes, or is he too?


The point is, nobody knows...not you, me or anyone else here. You're opinion is cool, but that doesn't make it the truth. I agree it's stupid for society to mourn a guy they were making fun of a week before for years.


He wasn't a musician btw, he was a singer/performer. I don't believe he ever played instruments as well as he entertained.

Kobe might be, all signs point to no but he might. If/when Kobe builds whoreland in his backyard, stops dating women all together besides the ones he's raping and then goes on national TV admitting he likes to platonically sleep with women in his bed but that it's ok with his wife because they dont do anything then yes ill say fuck him too.

Ps. gracias for the musician correction, ghuey.

PPS... i'd be ok with my girl spending 3 minutes in a room alone with Kobe and to be honest he might be the one getting raped before time expires.

[moz]

Kobe might be, all signs point to no but he might. If/when Kobe builds whoreland in his backyard, stops dating women all together besides the ones he's raping and then goes on national TV admitting he likes to platonically sleep with women in his bed but that it's ok with his wife because they dont do anything then yes ill say fuck him too.

Ps. gracias for the musician correction, ghuey.
I don't think dude can even get his dick hard, so no...I don't believe he raped some ugly little kids that were already stealing from him (he was paying for everything). Didn't you see the family, especially the mother?? She looked like she was from Fontana...and you know how that goes! ;)

[RaiderNdaBlood]

I don't think dude can even get his dick hard, so no...I don't believe he raped some ugly little kids that were already stealing from him (he was paying for everything). Didn't you see the family, especially the mother?? She looked like she was from Fontana...and you know how that goes! ;)

Funtucky bitches are top notch especially when you find one with all their teeth. EDIT: 3 minutes Moz you let your child hang with MJ por tres minutos? Come on he can't even get his dick hard right?

[MannyBeltre]

We have seem to come off the tracks a bit since my original beef was how the media is throwing a national vigel for a child predator but I digress. You said it yourself you would not trust a grown ass man sleeping in bed with your child regardless if you did not know him or knew him for 15 years. I agree with that since it seems like the logical answer but in the same breath your still think this guy is innocent. I'm sure if any of us found out one of our friends did anything remotely close to what MJ has done or said we would immediately cut ties with them. These are all logical statements that a sane person would make but as a nation our dumbasses overlook the facts because he could sing and dance... once again sad.

Like I said I just think he was messed up in the head, it may be a played out argument, but I think he thought he was a child. As a former child star while he was growing up all people ever wanted to do was to keep him as that same cute little seven year old, I think that got to his head and did permanent damage.

Put this type of story with anyone, regardless if he can sing or dance and I would come to the same conclusion.

But again I'm not a fan of his or a hater, but with any celebrity death they are annoying. I can understand why your annoyed with everyone now playing him out as a saint when he had mental problems. Even Anna Nicole Smith, one of the most irrelevant celebrities of all time got love after dying, and all she did was suck an 80 year old wrinkly cack.

As a father of two obviously you have a unique way of looking at the situation as opposed to me, but this is just what I have concluded through the research I have done lately.

[raczilla]

I don't know what it says about people in general (if anything), but it feels like people either want to believe that he did or didn't do it. When you look at this situation, there are a lot of debatable points on both sides of the issue so I look at it and have a hard time relating to anyone who would line up on either side of that discussion.

Not saying there's anything wrong with that, just think it's interesting to observe.

[Weezy82]

he neve did raspe npbpdy plus ehs innpcent and hes not guilty and his music is teh greatneswss go micheal fuck the razor

[moz]

Funtucky bitches are top notch especially when you find one with all their teeth. EDIT: 3 minutes Moz you let your child hang with MJ por tres minutos? Come on he can't even get his dick hard right?
What does my opinion on what I do with my kids have to do with anything? It's a fact that if I knew that the person that wanted my kid to stay over wasn't a child molester, I STILL wouldn't let them go.

That's besides the point (the child molesting possibilities) Furthermore, that does nothing to convince me that he's guilty. You would get shot down in a court room just like the real DA did lol

[moz]

he neve did raspe npbpdy plus ehs innpcent and hes not guilty and his music is teh greatneswss go micheal fuck the razor
I'm going to say at least 17 drinks?

[Weezy82]

lol accurate im not sure tho to be sure. but i did drink a lot. mother fu cckes wanted to do irish carb bombs then i just wanted to get fucked upo. fuck it htough, im gona be in assganistan for a lil while. so y not. Michael jacksons moonwalkwer was the shit on sega geneiss and that was where my michael jackson favoritis s sta\rted

[dmull]

good read: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/5664968/My-trip-to-Neverland-and-the-call-from-Michael-Jackson-Ill-never-forget-by-Paul-Theroux.html

"It makes people do strange things. A lot of our famous luminaries become intoxicated because of it – they can't handle it. And your adrenaline is at the zenith of the universe after a concert – you can't sleep. It's maybe two in the morning and you're wide awake. After coming off stage, you're floating."

"How do you handle that?"

"I watch cartoons. I love cartoons. I play video games. Sometimes I read."

"You mean you read books?"

"Yeah. I love to read short stories and everything."

"Any in particular?"

"Somerset Maugham," he said quickly, and then, pausing at each name: "Whitman. Hemingway. Twain."

mind = blown

[Kwon]

lol accurate im not sure tho to be sure. but i did drink a lot. mother fu cckes wanted to do irish carb bombs then i just wanted to get fucked upo. fuck it htough, im gona be in assganistan for a lil while. so y not. Michael jacksons moonwalkwer was the shit on sega geneiss and that was where my michael jackson favoritis s sta\rted

Ever kiss a dude? Be honest.

[TheRazor]

OK here he is lying about his plastic surgery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY9_d0y6SJU


Here is evidence of more of his lying:

Michael Jackson Not The Biological Father of His Children (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,529600,00.html?test=faces)


Facts:

Molestation Allegations and Criminal Charges

1) He was brought up on child molestation charges in 93
and payed the family 22 mill to drop the charges and avoid a trial.

2a) He was brought up on child molestation charges in 05 and as many as nine other children were suspected of being molested by Jackson, 3 testified that nothing inappropriate happened, 2 testified that molestation did occur, 2 others changed their minds last minute and did not testify either way, and 2 other boys were not allowed to testify at all.

2b) As part of the evidence to try to show attraction to boys, the prosecution introduced two books featuring nude prepubescent boys. The books were seized from Jackson in 1993. The defense pointed out that the books were legal to possess, and Jackson was therefore never charged. While both featured nudity, neither book contains any depictions of sexual acts. The credibility of the family that formally filed charges waned throughout the trial and Jackson was acquitted on all charges.

3) The Adion Hotel, 2002 Berlin, Germany

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UddxSWWiRA




says volumes

[HAZE]

Watch out, this guy is gonna rape you.

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/10/Guy-swingin-his-baby-by-the-arms-595187.html

[Tokyoo]

Dude how did that kids' arms not come out of their sockets

[Kwon]

why the fuck did michael turn white?

[Cigaro]

lol..i gotta start editing my shit more often. mfers are pouncing on me for the smallest of errors.

The F is capitalized in his last name.

[moz]

why the fuck did michael turn white?
Because his dad called him big nose n***** for most of his life.

[tm1ca15UF]

Watch out, this guy is gonna rape you.

http://www.break.com/usercontent/2008/10/Guy-swingin-his-baby-by-the-arms-595187.html

they should be in cirque du soleil.

[DavePSU]

Because his dad called him big nose n***** for most of his life.

LOL What? That's why he had plastic surgery on his face.

He did what he did to his skin because he was diagnosed with Vitiligo. It's not like he wanted to do that.

[moz]

LOL What? That's why he had plastic surgery on his face.

He did what he did to his skin because he was diagnosed with Vitiligo. It's not like he wanted to do that.
LOL at you being the official biographer.


yeah I'm sure his Dad abusing him about his nose had nothing to do with his fucked up self image...lol

[Fred]

Towards the end there it looked like his nose was completely gone. Poor bastard, I didn't think there was anything wrong with the way he looked early on. I can see him doing that to his skin if he was going to end up looking like a marble, but the plastic surgery stuff was out of hand.

['Sider]

Skin pigmentation has nothing to do with cutting 5/8's of your nose off. His father was abusive to all of them and Michael got the brunt of it all because he knew he was the most talented. He had to childhood outside of being in the studio and touring. Thats it. I think I would want to do some kiddish shit as an adult if I never got to ride a roller coaster, go fishing, or even try and learn skateboarding

Bottom line, that whole family was disfunctional and Joe Jackson is a son of a bitch for trying to capitalize on his sons death. He's made more statements in the week he's been dead than he has during Michaels whole adulthood. Im glad Michael left him out of his will, he was a sorry fuck

[Fred]

On a side note, MJ would have probably killed himself long ago if he grew up in my household. My Dad calls me daily just to bust balls. lol

[DavePSU]

LOL at you being the official biographer.


yeah I'm sure his Dad abusing him about his nose had nothing to do with his fucked up self image...lol

Not too high on the comprehension angle, eh? Having surgery on your face is usually caused by a "fucked up self image."

He removed the pigment from his skin after being diagnosed with vitiligo. It had nothing to do with abuse.

[moz]

On a side note, MJ would have probably killed himself long ago if he grew up in my household. My Dad calls me daily just to bust balls. lol
I was gonna say that....lol

['Sider]

Towards the end there it looked like his nose was completely gone. Poor bastard, I didn't think there was anything wrong with the way he looked early on. I can see him doing that to his skin if he was going to end up looking like a marble, but the plastic surgery stuff was out of hand.

Someone released a statement regarding Michaels physical condition before the autopsy. They said other than the bruising from the paramedics trying to revive him, he was in pretty good shape, but his face had alot of scarring, something that was covered up with makeup. Dude had more than just two plastic surgeries

[Fred]

Someone released a statement regarding Michaels physical condition before the autopsy. They said other than the bruising from the paramedics trying to revive him, he was in pretty good shape, but his face had alot of scarring, something that was covered up with makeup. Dude had more than just two plastic surgeries
he should have been in GREAT shape. he was working out with the Hulk for christ sakes lol. I'd be jacked if I was working out with Ferigno daily.

[DavePSU]

Someone released a statement regarding Michaels physical condition before the autopsy. They said other than the bruising from the paramedics trying to revive him, he was in pretty good shape, but his face had alot of scarring, something that was covered up with makeup. Dude had more than just two plastic surgeries

Probably. Looks like he had 5-8, lol.

[moz]

Not too high on the comprehension angle, eh? Having surgery on your face is usually caused by a "fucked up self image."

He removed the pigment from his skin after being diagnosed with vitiligo. It had nothing to do with abuse.
lol

[moz]

Anyone else creeped out by Dave's "inside" knowledge. Tell me you had the glove? Did you ever visit Neverland, or was that a dream of yours that you wish to fulfill later after they make it the next Graceland?


lol, you're too much Dave. I love how you try to attack me as if you're speaking to Kwon or someone else you can handle....hahaha

['Sider]

Not too high on the comprehension angle, eh? Having surgery on your face is usually caused by a "fucked up self image."

He removed the pigment from his skin after being diagnosed with vitiligo. It had nothing to do with abuse.

Sorry Dave, gotta call you out on this one. Being called a worthless n***** all your childhood probably played a big role in him having those procedures done to his skin. Skin disorder or not, in todays society, a kid (which is what Michael really was mentally, IMO), its much easier to just have the "black" removed to fit in, something he had been trying to do for years and something he was worried about up until his death, his image

[moz]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/Moz420/jackson4.gif

[DavePSU]

Anyone else creeped out by Dave's "inside" knowledge. Tell me you had the glove? Did you ever visit Neverland, or was that a dream of yours that you wish to fulfill later after they make it the next Graceland?


lol, you're too much Dave. I love how you try to attack me as if you're speaking to Kwon or someone else you can handle....hahaha

Inside knowledge? Lol. It's pretty widely known.

If they clean it up and bit and get the rides going again, I may have to stop by. Roller Coasters scare me, so Neverland would be more on my level of amusement park excitement.

[DavePSU]

Sorry Dave, gotta call you out on this one. Being called a worthless n***** all your childhood probably played a big role in him having those procedures done to his skin. Skin disorder or not, in todays society, a kid (which is what Michael really was mentally, IMO), its much easier to just have the "black" removed to fit in, something he had been trying to do for years and something he was worried about up until his death, his image

Yeah, I'm sure he waited all that time with the money he had to conveniently do it when he was diagnosed with a skin disease that causes your skin to turn white, lol. He wouldn't have just went out and did it like he did with his facial surgery, that would be too much.

"Jackson's skin was a medium-brown color for the entire duration of his youth, but starting in the early 1980s, his skin gradually grew paler. This change gained widespread media coverage, including rumors that Jackson was bleaching his skin.[10] In the mid-1980s, Jackson was diagnosed with vitiligo and lupus; the latter was in remission in Jackson's case, and both illnesses made him sensitive to sunlight. The treatments he used for his condition further lightened his skin tone, and, with the application of pancake makeup to even out blotches, he could appear very pale."

[DavePSU]

We all know if Jackson looked like this...

http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/bwthomasap.jpg

He would have sold a TON more of his albums easily.

['Sider]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/lollercoaster.gif

['Sider]

We all know if Jackson looked like this...

http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/bwthomasap.jpg

He would have sold a TON more of his albums easily.


If Seal can sell albums and fuck Heidi Klume, then Michael can sell records looking like that

[moz]

Inside knowledge? Lol. It's pretty widely known.


I was talking about everything else in the thread and your so matter of fact attitude. I'm starting to think you are really Macaulay Carson Culkin lol

[Fred]

"Jackson's skin was a medium-brown color for the entire duration of his youth, but starting in the early 1980s, his skin gradually grew paler. This change gained widespread media coverage, including rumors that Jackson was bleaching his skin.[10] In the mid-1980s, Jackson was diagnosed with vitiligo and lupus; the latter was in remission in Jackson's case, and both illnesses made him sensitive to sunlight. The treatments he used for his condition further lightened his skin tone, and, with the application of pancake makeup to even out blotches, he could appear very pale."

Like Zartan

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/9233/zartan10rn.gif

[DavePSU]

I was talking about everything else in the thread and your so matter of fact attitude. I'm starting to think you are really Macaulay Carson Culkin lol

I wish I had that type of money. I definitely wouldn't be living in Dallas.

And that attitude is just how my typing comes across, lol.

[DavePSU]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/lollercoaster.gif

LOL I've never seen this one before.

[moz]

http://i41.tinypic.com/34y6yqa.jpg

['Sider]

I wonder if thats how he felt......................

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

wow.

[moz]

http://i39.tinypic.com/dlt4qd.gif

['Sider]

I seriously wonder how they did that shit, call me stupid I guess

[Fred]

no shit, my laces would have broke and i'd fall flat on my face

[MaSTA SoLIDUS]

I seriously wonder how they did that shit, call me stupid I guess


MJ patented technology. Seriously. Can't remember what, but it's in his shoes. It locks up and releases when they slide their feet after the lean.

[Baula McGee19]

http://i39.tinypic.com/dlt4qd.gif

I seriously wonder how they did that shit, call me stupid I guess

Its US Patent 5255452 - owned and created by MJ himself

Method and means for creating anti-gravity illusion (http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT5255452)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fc/Smooth_criminal_patent.png/429px-Smooth_criminal_patent.png

Dont feel stupid... I just found out how too. I always tried and just thought MJ had incredible strength to pull it off.

[Baula McGee19]

btw moz

good clips! keep em coming

[moz]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/frenziedme/andersonnewtonpb9.gif

lol

[Baula McGee19]

http://files.kruzen.com/072003/michaeljackson.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/cloudedandconfused2004/MJcoff_X.gif

[DavePSU]

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8748/obamak.png

[Tdoggy]

lolz

[RaiderNdaBlood]

lol x15

[Tokyoo]

Sider.. you didn't by chance create this guy on FNR4, did you?

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4299144

[Kwon]

Because his dad called him big nose n***** for most of his life.
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html
LOL What? That's why he had plastic surgery on his face.

He did what he did to his skin because he was diagnosed with Vitiligo. It's not like he wanted to do that.
http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html
LOL at you being the official biographer.


yeah I'm sure his Dad abusing him about his nose had nothing to do with his fucked up self image...lol

http://www.anomalies-unlimited.com/Jackson.html

[Kwon]

We all know if Jackson looked like this...

http://www.bagofnothing.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/bwthomasap.jpg

He would have sold a TON more of his albums easily.

lol i see mfers like that all the time. In elementary school there was some girl with reddish orange skin that we used to call redz. Shes a lesbo now but im sure its not because she was called redz.

['Sider]

Sider.. you didn't by chance create this guy on FNR4, did you?

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4299144

I take no responsibilities for suicides, but I did think about creating people from PP with photos from FB the night I fought Michael Jackson with Prince and the day I wanted to punch Mays in the face.


Man Im glad I didnt

[TheRazor]

This is MJ with the second kid he was alleged to have diddled

http://memphisexpress.com/guilty_pop_files/image002.jpg

Who does he remind you of a younger version of?



http://i414.photobucket.com/albums/pp225/eggfart/mozJ.jpg

['Sider]

lol, uh oh


http://www.forumammo.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10062/popcornic3ba6.gif

[moz]

:rolleyes:

I was never into him that much....he was just jealous because he wasn't that kid lol

Also, what a fag in that therazor can photoshop pictures of me when he doesn't even have the uterus to post his ugly face on here.

Pussy.