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General Zod
08-13-2009, 03:12 AM
There are a few exploits, glitches, whatever you want to call them here and there with the game. A lot of them can only be exploited with Created Fighters so it's not that big of an issue in this league. However there's one big one that can be used by any fighter. It's detailed here: http://www.ufcgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1092

I found this in another forum. I should have figured this was possible after screwing around with the transition reset bug.

Quote:
This game is broken. There is a glitch you can exploit to win every time.

How to do it:

- Pick the guy with the best cardio/speed/submission offense balance in the weightclass (example, GSP).
- Get the opponent down, and get into side control.
- Attempt submission (it will be kimura)
- Don't mash buttons or try to get the sub off
- Let go of the sub
- Repeat until the opponent has no stamina left
- Actually go for it now.

This is banned from our tournaments.

Most every site or league that is aware of this exploit is banning it from competition. So is it going to be banned or allowed here? It's pretty game breaking. The quote says to pick a guy with high cardio and whatever else, but that actually isn't even necessary, it just makes this exploit more effective and work a little faster. It can be done from more positions than just side control and you can effectively just hold your opponent in place the entire round, score points on the scorecards for attempted submission attempts and they are helpless. The submission attempts reset the transition block counter, so you can't transition out of it. The only way to get out is if the person doing it just makes a mistake or chooses to let you out.

This whole tactic is made possible by another "exploit" which is resetting the transition block counter with submissions. Normally you can transition through any block in 5 tries. However if you transition 4, and your opponent then goes for a submission. It resets the counter. So they can stay in one spot, hit you, let you transition, hit you, and do this 4 times. Then they go for a submission but let go. This resets the counter and they just rinse repeat. This is most devastating when it's done from mount with a BJJ fighter. This "exploit" is less frowned upon, but it is borderline game breaking as well since it bypasses the 5-7 transition block break rule that the developers put in the game for the purpose of giving the guy on bottom a chance to escape.

The other one that could occur in this league is only with Rampage, and it can often just happen on accident. It's a technique where you can land one punch and immediately land around 5 more free punches that are unblockable. This isn't something you could really ban since it does just happen on accident all the time, however if a Rampage user knows the proper spacing they can do this over and over on the feet and it gives them a huge edge.

T&B
08-13-2009, 03:17 AM
It is bullcrap. I had somebody do that to me once. I was reading a FAQ which suggested immediately attempting a minor transition after they let the sub go. I don't see why that wouldn't work, since they aren't exactly trying to block transitions.

granted, I haven't actually tried it, but only one person has ever tried to do this to me...and I quit on his ass.

General Zod
08-13-2009, 03:19 AM
It is bullcrap. I had somebody do that to me once. I was reading a FAQ which suggested immediately attempting a minor transition after they let the sub go. I don't see why that wouldn't work, since they aren't exactly trying to block transitions.

granted, I haven't actually tried it, but only one person has ever tried to do this to me...and I quit on his ass.
When it's done properly the person goes submission attempt, waits a second for some stamina to drain, then lets go, they hold block, if you don't transition they go for a sub attempt, rinse repeat. There's nothing you can do to get out of that. One way to not get your stamina drained is to just not fight against the submission. But if you do this then you risk them attempting to follow through with the sub and they get a free submission. Or they can just continue business as usual and just hold you on the ground the entire time and win the round.

D0S3
08-13-2009, 03:44 AM
Yeah those exploits are pretty huge, but I think for the most part everyone here is respectful and not going to blatantly use exploits over and over to get a win. I have not had the sub exploit done to me but I have heard of it. The sub transition reset has been done to me a few times. I'm sure that is something that could easily be patched by THQ, just by making 5-7 transitions stick even when a sub attempt happens, no reset. I don't think this is gonna happen though. Maybe UFC 2010.

JerkFaceFave
08-13-2009, 07:54 AM
BANNED! anyone using the submission exploit will be be removed.

JerkFaceFave
08-13-2009, 12:43 PM
on a side note, I think that if you let go of a sub attempt you should lose position. As it tends to normally happen in real life. Or at least have a 50/50 chance of losing position. If anyone has any suggestions for improvements for next years game shoot me a message, as I am working on an open letter to the developers to improve the next installment of the game.

JerkFaceFave
08-16-2009, 12:36 PM
It has come to my attention that A league member may have been using the submission exploit in the PFC. Let me make it clear that this is prohibited. Not that I should need to say that as it is a pretty pathatic way to win. Names have been named, but I wont call this person out unless I hear another report on it. If you have or are using this EXPLOIT in the PFC, stop now, leave, or be banned. Your choice.

General Zod
08-17-2009, 04:49 AM
It has come to my attention that A league member may have been using the submission exploit in the PFC. Let me make it clear that this is prohibited. Not that I should need to say that as it is a pretty pathatic way to win. Names have been named, but I wont call this person out unless I hear another report on it. If you have or are using this EXPLOIT in the PFC, stop now, leave, or be banned. Your choice.

I got a PM from a PFC member saying that another PFC member may have been doing that during some matches. I'm not sure if it's the same person you are talking about but I've played them and they didn't try it against me, although I don't think they really had the chance.

JerkFaceFave
08-17-2009, 12:28 PM
Just remember to keep your play in line the spirit of the league, it’s about good competition and sportsmanship, not who can better manipulate the games construction. We all know that there are a few gray areas with the submissions. Lets try to keep these to a minimum and try to be as "sim" as we can. I think we have the right group of people here to make that happen. I don’t want to have to get to heavy handed with the rules; it sucks the fun out of it for me, and the league as a whole.