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Michael1807
09-21-2009, 09:54 PM
FINAL DRAFT ORDER!!! Picks will be listed as they are made...lets get this done ASAP so we can play week 7!!! thanks :)

1. Cincinnati Bengals 0-6 (urblessed00)
2. New York Jets 0-6 (PASSthe40)
3. Indianapolis Colts 0-5 (CoachW527)
4. Chicago Bears 1-5 (ConchT)
5. Kansas City Chiefs 1-5 (NESSQU1K)
6. Carolina Panthers 1-4 (videinfra78)
7. New York Giants 2-4 (RADIE420)
8. Detroit Lions 2-4 (Michael1807)
9. Dallas Cowboys 2-3 (Johns Tha King)
10. San Francisco 49ers 2-3 (eh24themamba)
11. San Diego Chargers 2-3 (xMcKx Havoc)
12. Atlanta Falcons 2-3 (Satchmo Davis)
13. Cleveland Browns 3-3 (mmorgan184)
14. Baltimore Ravens 3-3 (millertime1132)
15. Buffalo Bills 3-3 (nawcor)
16. Jacksonville Jaguars 3-3 (officalhitman)
17. Houston Texans 3-3 (UTBroward)
18. Arizona Cardinals 3-2 (JmO31)
19. New Orleans Saints 3-2 (chad182)
20. Philadelphia Eagles 3-2 (Pangtastic)
21. Miami Dolphins 3-2 (General Slade)
22. Green Bay Packers 3-2 (BAJAgordon7)
23. Minnesota Vikings 4-2 (Mr Mayhem)
24. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-2 (xXxDoMINatOR316)
25. New England Patriots 4-2 (JackedUp316)
26. Seattle Seahawks 4-2 (Sidewinder57)
27. St. Louis Rams 4-2 (Insuffilate)
28. Denver Broncos 4-2 (Speed914)
29. Pittsburgh Steelers 5-1 (Herno 360)
30. Tennessee Titans 5-1 (AzureEffect)
31. Oakland Raiders 5-1 (EPICgabe52)
32. Washington Redskins 6-0 (floridagatorfan)


ok so here is the order with all the games played with updated records and PF/PA all tiebreakers are in here...so get ur picks ready RADIE wants this to go fast so we can play our games cause once again NO GAMES can be played till this is completed...please sticky this, thanks :)

Gabe G.
09-21-2009, 10:03 PM
do we just PM radie our picks in order of preference

Michael1807
09-21-2009, 10:05 PM
do we just PM radie our picks in order of preference

yea but u can wait a lil closer to ur pick if u want...picks will be posted on board as they are made/recieved

floridagatorfan
09-21-2009, 10:23 PM
Guess I'll be waiting a while.

Gabe G.
09-21-2009, 10:26 PM
Guess I'll be waiting a while.

same here man

mmorgan184
09-21-2009, 10:28 PM
Why don't we just go in the same order as last year's draft?

Michael1807
09-21-2009, 10:29 PM
Why don't we just go in the order of finish for the real NFL last year?

cause its this order...so the teams that need help i our franchise get it

dominator316
09-21-2009, 10:56 PM
man its kinda of weird to do it this way. so cuz im doin good i cant get any help when clearly i need it.. because when i go against a good player with a good team.. theres no way im winning with my shitty team.. my team needs help

floridagatorfan
09-21-2009, 11:14 PM
I think standings is the best way to do it. The worst madden players need the most help, not the worst madden teams. Not that I am trying to say the people at the top are terrible, but generally the top will have worse madden players than the bottom.

dominator316
09-21-2009, 11:33 PM
i just dont think thats right.. because im a good madden player its even harder for me to make my team good.for instance.. what would have happened if patriots owner sucked.. he would have got to pick up good free agents? idk just kinda weird.. i think it should be a lotery system.. like in real life. free agents dont join bad teams. they join teams that best fit there needs. so its usually pretty random where they land. i just think we should make it realistic and make it random.. so that would make a lottery better

Gabe G.
09-21-2009, 11:58 PM
i also agree with the standings system. if i wanted to i could argue that i need a top 5 pick cuz i dont have the best players in the world

cmh9552
09-22-2009, 08:28 AM
Try playing with the Rams then get back to me.

dominator316
09-22-2009, 08:34 AM
how bout u go0 look at my team.. fastest guy is my 93 safety on this team..

Michael1807
09-22-2009, 08:44 AM
the standings is the best way we decided cause its the players that need the help no the teams...plus if u think about it all 32 people will get a 70+ player out of FA so it really wont matter too much if ur guy is a 79 or a 74...i understand where Dom is coming from but the Bears guy needs more help than u cause u r doing pretty good with what u got...

mmorgan184
09-22-2009, 09:29 AM
the standings is the best way we decided cause its the players that need the help no the teams...plus if u think about it all 32 people will get a 70+ player out of FA so it really wont matter too much if ur guy is a 79 or a 74...i understand where Dom is coming from but the Bears guy needs more help than u cause u r doing pretty good with what u got...

You need to take schedule difficulty into account to then. Some teams have had to play some great teams in the first 6 weeks, whereas other teams had some mediocre opponents. For it to be fair I think we need to go in the order of last year's standings/draft in the real NFL.

Also overall doesn't mean anything. I have a 63 ovr WR that's better than most 80 ovr guys because of his speed and elusiveness.

Michael1807
09-22-2009, 10:51 AM
You need to take schedule difficulty into account to then. Some teams have had to play some great teams in the first 6 weeks, whereas other teams had some mediocre opponents. For it to be fair I think we need to go in the order of last year's standings/draft in the real NFL.

Also overall doesn't mean anything. I have a 63 ovr WR that's better than most 80 ovr guys because of his speed and elusiveness.

with the tiebreakers being points for and points against that pretty much is taking schedule difficulty into account cause if u have played good madden users your PF will be lower and PA will be higher so u get the better draft pick because of that...as for taking last years draft order that makes no sense to me cause I shouldnt get to pick 1st cause my team was bad last year when im already doing better than them in the VNFL we need to help out the users that are struggling in mine and radies opinion...

coachw527
09-22-2009, 11:16 AM
Two questions, and I am not complaining just wanna know:

1. When are the week 6 games that are in red going to be played?

2. When is this draft going to start and how long are we allowing teams to pick so this doesnt drag on like the one in the other league I am in the same team has been on the clock for six days?

Guess I had three questions with the second question being in two parts, lol.

Again not complaining just curious.

mmorgan184
09-22-2009, 11:18 AM
with the tiebreakers being points for and points against that pretty much is taking schedule difficulty into account cause if u have played good madden users your PF will be lower and PA will be higher so u get the better draft pick because of that...as for taking last years draft order that makes no sense to me cause I shouldnt get to pick 1st cause my team was bad last year when im already doing better than them in the VNFL we need to help out the users that are struggling in mine and radies opinion...

No, that's wrong. PF and PA at this point in the season is only indicative of the user's ability to call plays and make adjustments. Right now I am 3-2 with wins over the Bills, Broncos, and winless Bengals. I have a very good chance of finishing this year with less than 5 wins because the rest of my schedule is very hard. But because I had a lucky win and wins over two poor teams I am being punished because I got off to a good start? I just don't see the logic. As the season goes on and injuries start taking their toll they are going to have a larger effect on me, than say a team like the Giants or Patriots, who are very highly rated and have more depth.

mmorgan184
09-22-2009, 11:20 AM
Two questions, and I am not complaining just wanna know:

1. When are the week 6 games that are in red going to be played?

2. When is this draft going to start and how long are we allowing teams to pick so this doesnt drag on like the one in the other league I am in the same team has been on the clock for six days?

Guess I had three questions with the second question being in two parts, lol.

Again not complaining just curious.

People should just start picking now if we want to finish this in a timely fashion. Everyone should submit a list to Radie. The 2nd person to pick should submit a 2 person list, the 30th person to pick should submit a 30 person list, not very hard and the draft will basically be done before it even starts.

Michael1807
09-22-2009, 11:33 AM
No, that's wrong. PF and PA at this point in the season is only indicative of the user's ability to call plays and make adjustments. Right now I am 3-2 with wins over the Bills, Broncos, and winless Bengals. I have a very good chance of finishing this year with less than 5 wins because the rest of my schedule is very hard. But because I had a lucky win and wins over two poor teams I am being punished because I got off to a good start? I just don't see the logic. As the season goes on and injuries start taking their toll they are going to have a larger effect on me, than say a team like the Giants or Patriots, who are very highly rated and have more depth.

how r u being punished u have the 12th pick from what the 5th(which got traded down anyway) thats only 7 spots if we went by last year which really is not that big but in the case of the radiers would move up like 25 spots??? this way better plain and simple..

Michael1807
09-22-2009, 11:35 AM
Two questions, and I am not complaining just wanna know:

1. When are the week 6 games that are in red going to be played?

2. When is this draft going to start and how long are we allowing teams to pick so this doesnt drag on like the one in the other league I am in the same team has been on the clock for six days?

Guess I had three questions with the second question being in two parts, lol.

Again not complaining just curious.

we will advance in an hour or 2 and they will get simmed if unplayed...radie or i will be ontop of all users to get picks in asap but the browns owner had a good idea people should send a list to raide or myself with a player for each pick from most wanted to least and they get the highest player on there list...

mmorgan184
09-22-2009, 11:52 AM
how r u being punished u have the 12th pick from what the 5th(which got traded down anyway) thats only 7 spots if we went by last year which really is not that big but in the case of the radiers would move up like 25 spots??? this way better plain and simple..

I am being punished because the level of talent on my team isn't indicative of my record because of the level of opponents I have played thus far. The Panthers are 1-4 right now but all of their losses have been very close. Their record doesn't reflect how good he is as a player and how good his team is. It's only fair to go based off of last years NFL records and use the real draft order for this season because the talent level on the teams in Madden were based off of last season. It's only fair to use the current records once the season is over because right now it is just too small of a sample size.

Also why does it matter if the draft pick got traded in real life? That's pretty pointless to include in this discussion.

Michael1807
09-22-2009, 12:02 PM
I am being punished because the level of talent on my team isn't indicative of my record because of the level of opponents I have played thus far. The Panthers are 1-4 right now but all of their losses have been very close. Their record doesn't reflect how good he is as a player and how good his team is. It's only fair to go based off of last years NFL records and use the real draft order for this season because the talent level on the teams in Madden were based off of last season. It's only fair to use the current records once the season is over because right now it is just too small of a sample size.

Also why does it matter if the draft pick got traded in real life? That's pretty pointless to include in this discussion.

i see where u r coming from but i would still have to disagree(and note i would have the #1 pick ur way and i still dont think that is fair)

nawcor
09-22-2009, 12:36 PM
You could always just do it random, theres websites out there that let you enter selections and it randomly generates an order...

ex : http://www.random.org/sequences/

start at 1, with a max of 32.

Random Generate, numbers = team in ABC order in madden

Just an idea..

As for people getting punished for doing well and not, this was my argument for the release of players and being forced to do so and a LOT of you were all for it, but the same situation here and you switch sides?

I'm for the random generator to be done and no one can complain..

mmorgan184
09-22-2009, 12:55 PM
As for people getting punished for doing well and not, this was my argument for the release of players and being forced to do so and a LOT of you were all for it, but the same situation here and you switch sides?


I am against being forced to release players too, but it is simpler than a salary cap system.

floridagatorfan
09-22-2009, 01:05 PM
You could always just do it random, theres websites out there that let you enter selections and it randomly generates an order...

ex : http://www.random.org/sequences/

start at 1, with a max of 32.

Random Generate, numbers = team in ABC order in madden

Just an idea..

As for people getting punished for doing well and not, this was my argument for the release of players and being forced to do so and a LOT of you were all for it, but the same situation here and you switch sides?

I'm for the random generator to be done and no one can complain..

Problem with this is that the top teams have an equal chance to end up with the top picks. I think standings is the best way to do it as it is the most simple to do. Taking into account schedule just isn't realistic because it would be way too hard for one person to go through every teams games to see who had the tougher schedule.

nawcor
09-22-2009, 01:11 PM
I think its the easier way too is to just go off current rankings and let it be, its not really going to benefit anyone to pick good players they dont need on their team. Trades are over for the season and most of the players are pretty old and wont bring much in the next season...

If you REALLY wanna get into it, its not fair for the teams who have had their byes to those that haven't.. 2-3 teams get the edge on 3-3 teams, 3-3 teams get the edge or 3-2 teams, and so on...but thats just how it goes...

Lets just get it underway so we can get these games rolling...

coachw527
09-22-2009, 01:21 PM
Lets just get it underway so we can get these games rolling...

Im with you on that Nawcor, comming off a bye week just wanna play!!

bengalsfan2001
09-22-2009, 02:08 PM
Just to let everyone know, going on a business trip to NY in about an hour so I won't be able to get my game in and won't be able to take part in this draft. Im Coming back on SAT so I'll be able to get my game in then. As for the draft just give me the highest rated defense player when it's my pick.

Michael1807
09-22-2009, 02:46 PM
OK...The DRAFT has begun!!! Get ur list of picks into RADIE or MICHAEL1807 ASAP so we can get this done fast so Week 7 games can be played...Radie and I will be on for most of the night trying to get pretty much all this done today so get us ur picks and we will get it posted...Reminder NO GAMES CAN BE PLAYED TILL DRAFT IS COMPLETED!!! Thanks :)

Radie420
09-22-2009, 02:59 PM
Just to let everyone know, going on a business trip to NY in about an hour so I won't be able to get my game in and won't be able to take part in this draft. Im Coming back on SAT so I'll be able to get my game in then. As for the draft just give me the highest rated defense player when it's my pick.


Coming to my neck of the woods... huh?

Let me know where your hotel is, and I might be able to suggest some good bars and shit.

Michael1807
09-22-2009, 03:14 PM
REMOVED LOL Im a MORON...Bengals(urblessed00) Still On the Clock!!!

nawcor
09-22-2009, 03:20 PM
Is there going to be some type of time limit for those who dont check forums, etc often?

Don't really wanna sit around waiting for people to pick for 2-3 days

Michael1807
09-22-2009, 03:23 PM
Is there going to be some type of time limit for those who dont check forums, etc often?

Don't really wanna sit around waiting for people to pick for 2-3 days

yea not sure...i sent him a XBL message and PM here so i dunno how long to give him

What I would really like is as soon as people read this SEND ME A LIST OF PLAYERS FROM MOST to LEAST WANTED and when ur pick comes ill take the first person on ur list that is avail...note if u pick 22nd make sure there are 22 people on ur list!!! I think this would work the best and fastest!!!

*added* no time limit for tonight(gotta give all people time to see this thread) but starting tomorrow we will have a limit, not sure what it will be yet but if u miss ur window we will NOT pick for u...u just dont get a FA, so make a list and sent them to me ASAP thanks :)

bengalsfan2001
09-22-2009, 03:39 PM
Coming to my neck of the woods... huh?

Let me know where your hotel is, and I might be able to suggest some good bars and shit.

For sure bro, gonna go all out on this trip ;)

Speed914
09-22-2009, 04:09 PM
I think we should reverse the order.