MLB 09 The Show Online Impressions

by pastapadre
Posted March 4th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

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SCEA has always struggled in the area of online play with their MLB franchise. Whether it was the “traffic delays”, lag plagued outings, or questionable design decisions there has always been something severely wrong. Early reports heading into release were not encouraging. Now that the game is out I’ve had additional time to evaluate the online play. Continue on to read through my observations and watch some video examples.

The biggest thing to worry about going in was the lag. Last year connections were incredibly inconsistent. On some occasions you were able to get smooth games yet in others they were flat out unplayable.

Once again I’ve had mixed results. The first game I tried paired me up against someone and said we were fluctuating between a “great” and “good” connection. It was so terribly laggy that he quit before the first out was even recorded.

In other instances I’ve gone up against opponents where we had “great” connections and the games have run relatively smooth. But that doesn’t make them perfect or acceptable even considering other issues that come along with it.

Often times you don’t see the bat swing, or it may delay seeing the bat swing, or it may appear to have been swung twice. This doesn’t just make the replays look odd but it also really affects making adjustments at the plate. I never get a sense of how to adjust my timing. I can look at the feedback (if my opponent lets me by not pitching right away after) but it isn’t the same as recognizing what you have done wrong on the fly based on feel.

Add to that how the pitches coming in seem to have frame loss. They never come in completely fluidly. Usually it seems like the ball jumps at the last split second. All in all it becomes extremely difficult to judge the type of pitch and where it is headed. This is especially the case with low pitches. Low strikes look almost exactly the same as balls in the dirt. That means more strikeouts, less legit hits, and the end result is relying on the lucky home run.

Check swings are, for all intents and purposes, non-existent online also. I tend to commit to borderline pitches offline and rely on the check swing to hold back. But you’re incredibly lucky if you actually are able to pull it off in an online game. Instead what I’m forced to do is decide that I’m probably not going to swing based on the situation and my opponent’s tendencies even before the pitch is delivered.

Pitching has the clear advantage online. Not only do the hitters have to deal with those problems, but there is little to no delay in the pitch meter. So you can be practically as accurate as you are offline when you’re online.  I do wish though that you could have a behind the pitcher view and hope they get that in next year.

Because of all of this it is really difficult to consistently perform well at the plate online. It becomes more a game of luck than anything. Who can hit the most home runs? Almost all the runs that myself or opponents have scored have come via the HR. There just isn’t much opportunity to string together a series of hits.

I’ve never minded the guess pitch feature in single player. I rarely use it but I think it is actually a neat option to have that does a decent job of replicating how a batter might be focusing on a pitch type. Online though this is extremely frustrating to go up against. There is nothing I can think of that compares to getting ready to pitch and having no affect over it because my opponent guessed it. Plus people just guess fastball every time so you become hesitant to throw them. I basically only throw fastballs out of the zone hoping they’ll be anxious enough to swing at it. Seriously. SCEA. Turn off guess pitch for ranked games.

Steals seem to be a problem again this year. Last year people took advantage of a flaw in the game that allowed them to swipe every bag they wanted (even home) pretty much uncontested. I have not been able to throw out a single runner in 09 yet. Even when they didn’t have a good lead and I threw a fastball it hasn’t been close. 2nd and 3rd are basically automatic if they get going. This was apparently something that was going to be fixed. Maybe it’ll be in the upcoming patch? I hope so.

I’m either missing something or I don’t believe you can do mound visits because when I’ve attempted to do them the option has been grayed out. If that is the case it’s another disappointing omission. We should have all of the offline options and features available for these games.

I’m not sure I’m really comfortable with being able to see my opponent looking at the pitch history. To me it influences what I’m going to do knowing that we both just saw it. I know utilizing that is part of the strategy, but it makes you second guess or at least consider doing so just because your opponent pulled up a visual display.

The graphics have clearly been downgraded to try and help online performance. Not a big deal since you’re not really focusing on it during the games anyway. Most everyone skips through the cut-scenes and replays.

It is a great thing that the Replay Vault is available for online games too. Because of that after the game is over you can go back and watch any play from the game, take screenshots from the replays, or save the highlights of your choosing.

The online leagues have received some improvements though I believe they still don’t track player stats. This isn’t something that can actually be looked at now since they still have the time wait and star rating restrictions on being the commissioner of a league. Hopefully they remove those completely in the coming days.

I really don’t like the rating system that they force on you. Does anyone actually take it seriously? People just down-rate anyone who beat them out of spite. It makes the whole thing pointless.

Just like last year the SportsConnect website offers some great info. You can watch any of the current online games via an updated box score. Last year though you also got a to see the current situations with a ‘gametracker’ type application. For some reason that hasn’t returned. You’re also able to check up on your player profile to see your record and stats, find your hosted leagues, and view the leaderboards.

You’re also apparently able to listen to the commentary of games in progress. I have yet to find a way to do this. It may be limited to only people on your buddy list. This is a pretty neat addition though and represents some progress towards a spectator mode.

Online play continues to be what holds back this series from greatness. Could it get better? Possibly. But there is little reason to believe it will be improved to where it should be. They’ve had years of trouble with online play and as I pointed out a while back didn’t seem to have much confidence in the potential performance heading into this year.

So it looks like it will be another disappointing season of having some really nice online features but having the desire to play eaten away at because of the poor and inconsistent performance. The time has come for SCEA to put the proper resources into fixing online which is really the only glaring weakness the series has. For as great as MLB 09 The Show is it may very well end up offering the worst online experience of any sports title released this year.

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  • mike
    March 5, 2009 at 5:10 am
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    i love baseball and i have seen so many gd reviews for this game. Am i the only 1 how dosent think the game isnt that grt. I have had every mlb "the show" game since 2003 and i can not hit the ball on veteran mode and everygame im in is like 2-1 or 3-2…..does any1 else agree with me? pasta im intrested 2 c what u say

    • pastapadre
      March 5, 2009 at 5:23 am
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      Well I can't say you're right or wrong. What I feel is that The Show was such a good game last year that it is hard to notice big improvements, outside of maybe the lighting. They could've tossed in some gimmicks, which might give the impression of change, but if its not for the better then I'm glad they haven't done that.

      • T. daley
        March 6, 2009 at 2:53 am
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        Pasta: First off I live in Hawaii which is as far as you can get for us N. American Players. MLB 07 and 08 were 99.9% of the time unplayable for me even if i were playing a local game. The pitch meter was so laggy that you could NEVER EVER hit the line on the pitch meter. The batting animation was so laggy that the ball would be in the catchers glove and suddenly you had hit the ball which really throws you off on defense.

        This year I have played 6 games online. 3 on the East coast Lobby and 3 in the west coast lobby. I am happy to report that ALL SIX GAMES were Very Good, not perfect like Offline play but very close.

        The pitch meter was smooth as silk and the batting animations were near perfect. If I were to rate my online experience to date I would rate MLB 07 and 08 a wopping Zero, while giving MLB 09 a solid 8.5 – 9.0.

        I would be careful pasta in your assessment of this games online abilities. Remember if you had at least 1 game online where the experience was good or great then the game is capable. Other factors external to the game could be at fault for poor online experiences. For me 08 and 07 were purely unplayable games online. That was a certainty. This year all my games have been great so there is no doubt that they have made monumental strides in the right direction.

    • Mister_Woods
      March 5, 2009 at 6:08 am
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      man…I've played every "THE SHOW" since it was just called "MLB"….this is a solid series and always has been…

      the ONLY thing they need to fix are the player models, and a new announcer team…outside of that, this game is perfect. easily the best baseball game i've ever seen and played.

  • mike
    March 5, 2009 at 5:11 am
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    my b icant spell…lol and i agree online play lags a ton

  • Eric
    March 5, 2009 at 5:12 am
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    Yeah, it does seem inconsistent. I played my first game, with apparently "great" connection, and it was still laggy. I hate it when it looks like they are swinging twice. I can tell they downgraded the graphics, they turned the aa down a notch from what I can tell.

  • Anthony_S1
    March 5, 2009 at 5:43 am
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    As far as the guess pitch goes, there's a few lobby rooms that are "guess pitch off".

  • C_HOWARD
    March 5, 2009 at 6:13 am
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    Pasta, to listen to the commentary, head into one of the lobbies and click on a guy's friend list. If they're in a game, there will be no challenge option and one of the options will be sportscaster live or something.
    I also agree. I had a game where the connection was almost flawless but these "little things" drove me absolutely nice. Almost had the complete package this year!!!! Good job SCEA regardless. What a game.

  • C_HOWARD
    March 5, 2009 at 6:13 am
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    Pasta, to listen to the commentary, head into one of the lobbies and click on a guy's name. If they're in a game, there will be no challenge option and one of the options will be sportscaster live or something.
    I also agree. I had a game where the connection was almost flawless but these "little things" drove me absolutely nice. Almost had the complete package this year!!!! Good job SCEA regardless. What a game.

  • Tukang Nggame
    March 5, 2009 at 6:17 am
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    Hope I can enjoy this game too.

  • Alex Rodriguez
    March 5, 2009 at 6:47 am
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    lol Pasta hates online.

  • kbin007
    March 5, 2009 at 7:07 am
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    I don't see why they have such a hard time with lag on their servers. They sould call Activision up and find out how they do it, because there is no lag in Call of Duty 4, at least from what I can tell when I watch my son plaing it. In a game like baseball, where timing is everything, there should be no lag, period.

    • Meeks
      March 5, 2009 at 11:21 am
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      Its a good point lol, but this is all you hear from others. If the online is this laggy, there must be something difficult about it.

  • kpowers
    March 5, 2009 at 11:31 am
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    good thing i don't care about online play. i did notice that spectator mode is available during the season. i sim'd an entire season into the playoffs and i was able to watch (even had the option to play) in a playoff game even though my team finished dead last. i don't think they had this last year, besides why would you want to watch other people play online?

  • Billy
    March 5, 2009 at 2:11 pm
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    Hey Pasta, please accept my PSN friend request. It's Bdiddy51791 from Xbox.

  • nyr2k2
    March 5, 2009 at 2:33 pm
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    Fortunately I'm not interested in online play. It's a damn shame though that this component sucks, since it's otherwise an excellent game.

  • jlukes
    March 5, 2009 at 2:34 pm
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    I wish SCEA would implement some sort of "batters eye" system like we saw in MVP 2005 from EA.

    In real life, hitters can ready the grips and the rotating seems to tell what type of pitch is coming in. The Batters Eye system flashed the ball a certain color depending on what type of pitch it was, and the better the batter that was at the plate, the longer you saw the color for. It made perfect sense, since you can read the grips or seem rotations in video games. Without this system, it is a bit too difficult to hit anything other than a fastball unless you take a lucky guess at what type of pitch is coming in.

  • ZFarls
    March 5, 2009 at 2:42 pm
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    I am gonna pick this up for PSP anyone got any impressions on it? I loved 06 and simmed mostly but I am going on a trip so I think im gonna pick this up. Dont have the ps3 yet, thats not until I get home from Vegas lol/jk

  • Thomas
    March 5, 2009 at 3:34 pm
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    hey all…i'm not sure if you all are aware of espn's screens they have of the show. Each team has a stadium shot plus teams shots. go to espn. and click video games. it's pretty cool if you want an idea of what all the stadiums and uniforms look like. have a good day!

  • Tony B
    March 5, 2009 at 3:40 pm
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    Pasta, I know that this is not a MLB the show comment but I couldn't resist. You now have to add T.O. with the free agent jersey on now lol.

  • meechie
    March 5, 2009 at 3:42 pm
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    Pasta do you know when there is going to be the first add-on for the show?? if so, what would it be??

    • pastapadre
      March 5, 2009 at 8:04 pm
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      If by that you mean downloadable content they don't have a history of providing any.

  • pastapadre
    March 5, 2009 at 4:10 pm
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    I wanted to find a way to have him with a generic jersey and a sad face. No luck so far.

  • nyr2k2
    March 5, 2009 at 4:40 pm
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    Did you play The Show 08 on PSP? It's pretty much the same game. A pretty incredible recreation of PS2 version. Far and away the best baseball game ever on a mobile system. It's easy to pick up and play, yet pretty deep for a mobile version. I'd certainly recommend it.

    • Steve
      March 5, 2009 at 4:53 pm
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      I already own The Show 08 for PSP, so is it worth it to get 09? Does 09 add anything new that 08 didn't have (i.e. a more in-depth fanchise mode)?

  • Mister_Toolbag.
    March 5, 2009 at 5:06 pm
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    your such a tool bag, you went on every site and were such a 2k fan, then you just jump ship, hahahaha. You always talked so bad about The Show too, in more threads than I can remember. Wow buddy, you have 0, NONE, nada in terms of credibility in my book. Mister_toolbag. the ONLY thing that needs to replaced is you. HOMIE.

    • Mister_Woods
      March 5, 2009 at 5:25 pm
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      wow…one day, I too will allow somebody over the internet's decisions and statements get me riled up and angry…

      I am yet to have reached this level of greatness…but it pleases me that ive pissed you off like this. you're welcome!

      • Chowdare
        March 5, 2009 at 6:08 pm
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        "I am yet to have reached this level of greatness"……..Obviously you have yet to reach for a thesaurus either man. I agree with Mister_Toolbag…….you are the WORST. Beat it.

        • Mister_Woods
          March 5, 2009 at 6:23 pm
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          aahhh yes…someone else who's better parts of them were shot all over their mothers face and titties coming to get some…

          "I am yet to have reached this level of greatness"

          this is what is known as correct english….and for the record, a "thesaurus" is a list of synonyms, meaning words that have the same meaning..

          should i have said "lolz! u noez you sux!" some of that 4 chan bullshit for you?

        • Mister_Woods
          March 5, 2009 at 6:24 pm
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          aahhh yes…someone else who's better parts of them were shot all over their mothers face here to try me..

          "I am yet to have reached this level of greatness"

          this is what is known as correct english….and for the record, a "thesaurus" is a list of synonyms, meaning words that have the same meaning..

          should i have said "lolz! u noez you sux!" some of that 4 chan bullshit for you?

          • andrew
            March 5, 2009 at 8:51 pm

            dude I remember u said like a week a go mlb the show is bull shit and now your saying uve played every one and it is a solid series. You are an rtard

        • Mister_Woods
          March 5, 2009 at 6:24 pm
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          aahhh yes…someone else who's better parts of them were shot all over their mothers face talking ish..

          "I am yet to have reached this level of greatness"

          this is what is known as correct english….and for the record, a "thesaurus" is a list of synonyms, meaning words that have the same meaning..

          should i have said "lolz! u noez you sux!" some of that 4 chan bullshit for you?

  • Mister_Woods
    March 5, 2009 at 5:24 pm
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    wow…one day, I too will allow somebody over the internet's decisions and statements get me riled up and angry…

    I am yet to have reached this level of greatness…

  • Gary
    March 5, 2009 at 6:40 pm
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    Wow dude, your really a retard. I just started looking at this thread and it looks like you respond hourly to this…….what do you do all day, sit her and watch this forum? Loser.

  • nyr2k2
    March 5, 2009 at 7:32 pm
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    You have the 40 man rosters, but other than that, it's more of the same. Granted I've only spent about 2 hours with it, so I'd check out maybe GameFAQs or somewhere to see what other people think. From what I've seen though, it's essentially the same game.

  • zeke
    March 5, 2009 at 7:44 pm
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    can you play with any team on the schedule besides your team in franchise mode single player

  • JimBone
    March 5, 2009 at 8:17 pm
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    This game looks crazy good. Wow. And I hate Baseball but wow. I wish Madden could be a quality product like this.

    YOU SUCK EA!!!

  • Matt
    March 5, 2009 at 8:53 pm
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    The online in this game is excellent. Ive had very little lag, and from what Ive had its nowhere near as bad as the videos you show. I dont understand why everybody says this game has bad online, when Its online is better than EAs IMO.

  • ThBeNdS
    March 5, 2009 at 9:58 pm
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    Man I was all pumped by the graphic posted on this article… Texas Rangers. Then the video is the Mets and A's. What's up with that?

  • Jim Derris
    March 6, 2009 at 1:46 am
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    If there was ever a game where online play this good is just a bonus to the entire package, MLB The Show is it. 10/10

  • adrian
    March 6, 2009 at 2:44 am
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    when during road to the show do you practice in the batting cage or batting practice

  • mike
    March 6, 2009 at 3:32 am
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    hey pasta another think u know those mlb the show leagues? have u ever done one and do u know anything abt them i was goin 2 commish 1 but it said i must wait 2 weeks to be qualified?

    • mike
      March 6, 2009 at 4:55 am
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      or any1 for that matter

    • aaron
      March 6, 2009 at 6:09 am
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      pastas mentioned before that hes never been able to do one because of the wait and having a low star rating lol

  • K_JASON
    March 6, 2009 at 5:12 am
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    This really is the "greatest show on earth" like everyone said. I got a ps3 and this is my only game ive put in it so far

  • Sidewinder
    March 6, 2009 at 5:19 pm
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    Pasta, can you ask Sony about doing historic old time stadiums? I would pay extra for those, Are there old time players this year? They need to be able to be unlocked more easily for people who dont have the time to do the full game to unlock those. I would rather just pay extra for them or get a free code.

    • nyr2k2
      March 6, 2009 at 6:44 pm
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      The historic players are unlocked by default.

  • Mike B
    March 30, 2009 at 4:02 pm
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    Online playing will never be that great for the reason that you get these people that pitch every pitch out of the strike zone. I know what your going to say, dont swing! but who really wants to sit there and take every pitch?? I mean you guys are using all star pitchers for the most part, try to strike the batter out with out pitching a ball 10 feet out of the zone or bouncing one in the dirt everythime

  • PG420
    July 15, 2009 at 12:14 am
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    It even lags for me OFFline….WTF

  • Mister_Woods
    March 5, 2009 at 10:54 pm
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    I said MLB THE SHOW was bullshit? click my name and go through my messages and find that…

    and for the record, I've played every baseball game since atari 7800, even the ones on PC like Hardball and High Heat, I was playing "THE SHOW" back when it was just MLB, the ones with Chipper Jones, Shawn green, Andruw Jones, Barry Bonds (the last game he appeared in if I'm not mistaken), Eric Chavez were on the covers..

    and my gripes with the series have all been the same since I joined this site: The Player models need upgrading, their heads are too big and arms too little, new interface, and new announcers…outside of that this is, and always has been, a VERY good baseball series.

    so try again little buddy.

  • Mister_Woods
    March 5, 2009 at 10:55 pm
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    I said MLB THE SHOW was bullshit? click my name and go through my messages and find that…

    and for the record, I've played every baseball game since atari 7800, even the ones on PC like Hardball and High Heat, I was playing "THE SHOW" back when it was just MLB, the ones with Chipper Jones, Shawn green, Andruw Jones, Barry Bonds (the last game he appeared in if I'm not mistaken), Eric Chavez were on the covers..

    and my gripes with the series have all been the same since I joined this site: The Player models need upgrading, their heads are too big and arms too little, new interface, and new announcers…outside of that this is, and always has been, a VERY good baseball series.

    2k simply did things that are unimaginable, not only for a baseball game but for a video game franchise in general. Nobody expected a game to be THAT bad.

  • Mister_Woods
    March 5, 2009 at 10:57 pm
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    I said MLB THE SHOW was bullshit? click my name and go through my messages and find that… in fact, I even said that if 2k9 gets their gameplay down, they'd have the better game. and they didn't do that.

    and for the record, I've played every baseball game since atari 7800, even the ones on PC like Hardball and High Heat, I was playing "THE SHOW" back when it was just MLB, the ones with Chipper Jones, Shawn green, Andruw Jones, Barry Bonds (the last game he appeared in if I'm not mistaken), Eric Chavez were on the covers..

    and my gripes with the series have all been the same since I joined this site: The Player models need upgrading, their heads are too big and arms too little, new interface, and new announcers…outside of that this is, and always has been, a VERY good baseball series.

    2k simply did things that are unimaginable, not only for a baseball game but for a video game franchise in general. Nobody expected a game to be THAT bad.

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