
Heading into the release of MLB 2K9 there was a certain sense of optimism. Outside of one clearly identified problem everything pointed towards an improved offering, one that while maybe not great would be enough to satisfy baseball gaming fans on the 360. Unfortunately it didn’t take long to realize that not only did that not turn out to be the case, but it is far worse than anyone would’ve anticipated.
As I detailed in my initial impressions I have never witnessed so many flaws and glitches within such a short amount of time as I did with MLB 2K9. They weren’t anomalies either. The more I played the more I saw various repeating problems that totally ruined the experience.
Just to make things clear, MLB 2K9 is more of an arcade game than a sim game. That isn’t necessarily a bad thing except that the game is advertised as a pure simulation and being all about the realism of the sport. It tries to straddle the line between arcade and sim but ultimately the clear focus is to appeal to the casuals. It’s why the CPU doesn’t take any strikes, why they don’t throw many balls, why contact is made on nearly every swing, why home runs are so easy to hit, and why there are distracting giant visual indicators on-screen.
Last year I wouldn’t have called the controls gimmicky. I didn’t like them but there at least was some point to them. Now they have been transformed into gimmicks. I actually enjoy the swing stick some now that it has been simplified. Instead of being an unnecessary “process” it is about reaction and I appreciate that. It just doesn’t result in anything more than a simple button press does.
The pitching has been simplified which was a good idea to do. However again I don’t really see the point to it. It’s actually easier to be pinpoint accurate than ever before, though the huge ball cursor means you’re pitching more to an area than a spot. They probably should’ve kept the pitching the same as last year but just removed the meatball concept. The actual pitches have no sense of velocity as they are all very slow to the plate. This is especially noticeable with fastballs that have no sense of speed to them.
Graphically the game is very disappointing, it doesn’t match up well to any of the sports titles out there on the 360/PS3. The player faces are horrendous, elements such as the dust clouds are embarrassing, and the lighting is mediocre. This could be overlooked if there was quality gameplay.
The big problem that was spotted pre-release was the hyper-aggressiveness of the CPU at the plate. It is extremely rare to see the CPU take a strike. They might occasionally if it is right on the edge. Despite that I’d estimate over 90% of thrown strikes are swung at. This results in quicker games which would be a benefit if it didn’t also mean the games have no sense of authenticity or strategy.
Also 2K has for some reason removed exhibition mode as well as removed player editing options. No idea why these things were done but it is certainly understandable why people are frustrated about them having been taken out.
Now on to the glitches and atrocious AI. I haven’t played through a single game where I haven’t encountered at least one problem, and usually there are several. Below is a video showing examples from just two of the games I played. In the video you can see the CPU: 1) Blow a routine catch in the outfield 2) The 3B not react at all to a sharply hit ball 3) The OF makes some sort of unnecessary cut that results in misplaying the ball 4) The OF go normal speed then switch into slo-mo so that they don’t make the catch 5) Misplayed ball up the middle, confusion between the 2B and SS, and then another slo-mo situation which is beyond explanation.
The most frequent glitches being seen are the misplayed balls in the outfield, 1B not standing on the bag which allows for hits when they should’ve been outs, and the outfielders going into slow motion so they either can’t reach a ball in time to catch it or so they perform a more dramatic catch. Outfielders struggle to play balls off the wall. Also pickoffs are incredibly easy, actually to the point of being automatic at second base and pickles are completely broken.
I’ve also noticed that the CPU seems to replace their pitchers too early in games. This especially makes no sense considering the low pitch counts. I’ve seen them pull pitchers in the 5th inning who are throwing shutouts for pinch hitters. Not good CPU management.
The framerate is definitely not the consistent 60fps that 2K had assured us it would be. There is slow-down usually right after a ball is put into play or when there is a great deal of action going on. These same situations are magnified online. It usually hasn’t affected the outcome of the plays but it is annoying. The framerate is better than last year but claiming it is a consistent 60fps simply isn’t true.
In theory the new base running system sounds good. But base stealing is absolutely terrible as it’s almost impossible to steal. I like the leading off using the trigger and holding in until it vibrates for a steal. However I’ve yet to steal a base successfully. I either get picked off, caught in a broken pickle, or thrown out by a mile.
The thing that has always irked me the most is when companies make promises or advertise features that don’t work either at all or as advertised. That has happened here with MLB 2K9. Look on the back of the game box. “Inside Edge produces remarkably accurate player tendencies”. I’ve noticed no tendencies other than the one of every batter swinging at practically every strike. On the 2K website you can find the claim “experience a World Series celebration in true championship style” which is something the producers also talked up. The actual celebration, if you want to call it that, is laughable.
In general the flow of the games are good. The commentary is impressively fluid and the real-time presentation keeps things moving along. That is probably the biggest improvement and best achievement for 2K9. The new commentary gives a very fresh feel. It is the first year though and it takes time to build a good commentary library. So there is a lot of repetition and inaccuracies made.
The post-game highlights are also great. Not only is there the end recap which shows highlights but after that you can choose from the Clutch Performer, Top 3 Plays (reminiscent of SportsCenter) and Signature Highlights for each player. The presentation of the highlights is very slick.
Initially I was a big fan of the real-time game presentation. I felt it slowed the pace a little bit and that made the flow feel more like a real baseball game. However the more I’ve played the less I care for it. The awkward player movements are just too much to ignore. I’m also finding myself wanting to skip through things and having to mash the A button several times just to get to the next pitch which is frustrating. Add into that how the stat overlays are inaccurate and at times the information being displayed is pretty amusing to see.
You do get advantages for installing the game to the 360 hard drive. Make sure to check out my analysis here if you haven’t already.
I was very pleased with the online play performance and the addition of the Home Run Derby. Unfortunately the same problems you see offline with 2K9 are present online and the Derby is so incredibly easy that there is no reason it even currently exists. You can read the most extensive analysis of online play available for MLB 2K9 here.
I am disappointed that no where in any pre-release coverage was the severity of the startlingly prominent issues mentioned. 2K embargoed all reviews until after release and now it is obvious they were trying to cover up what they knew was coming.
The first sign of trouble was finding out that 2K had changed stadiums to accommodate more advertising. The ironic thing was later hearing that 2K’s stated goal this year was for “authenticity”. If they were willing sacrifice the integrity of the game to provide additional advertising space in stadiums then why would we believe they were going to treat other areas of the game with the proper respect?
I am still startled at just how sloppy the game turned out and how much 2K has continued to mislead consumers. It is interesting to now see various media sites really hitting them hard with the reviews and even going as far as to call for MLB to strip the license. It’s a shame that Microsoft isn’t working of their own MLB title considering how much prestige The Show is bringing to the PS3.
The Wrap-Up
For several years now sub-par MLB 2K releases have been explained off as having laid the foundation to build from for the future. I actually bought into that to an extent until now. This series will never reach the standards consumers expect and deserve unless it goes through a complete reboot in the mold of Triple Play to MVP. Unfortunately for us I don’t think that 2K has the desire, resources, or time to invest in doing that.
March 9, 2009 at 5:51 am
you know…..after reading this wrap up review, i recall all the things that held Madden from being a good, solid game. i wonder why you didn't do a wrap-up for Madden 09, pasta? seriously, all the points you mention about this game is similar to how i viewed Madden……….THE GAME IS STRAIGHT UNPLAYABLE AND BORING!!! I still have no idea as to why there are people that support it………perhaps its still is the hype or maybe people don't fully understand how the sport is played. anyway, exclusive rights really sucks!!!……and mediocrity is the end result.
March 9, 2009 at 8:38 am
pasta is a joke, the game is fun, more fun than the show. this write up is a joke. the game is played by more people than the show. and more people will ignore you and buy it. continue your one man war vs 2k, you clown.
March 9, 2009 at 9:44 am
You = failure
March 9, 2009 at 2:01 pm
lol ok lets listen to the few 2k fanboys still hanging on instead even after 2k releases terrible game after terrible game
March 9, 2009 at 11:15 am
there was very little wrong with 2k8 0r 2k7,so idiots saying strip 2k of their mlb license dont know anything. What needs stripped is visual concepts for screwing up a good franchise. i cant blame them they felt pressured to do something drastic because a lot of you idiots said last years sucked all because you could not figure out the controls. I hate when last years game gets tossed in the games that sucked category when it really was great playing baseball game,especially after the patch. This really upsets me actually. Visual concepts acts like the theve never seen a professional baseball game in their lives,but then again they had to figure out a way to accommodate wimps that could not handle last years controls. What did we get because of last years complainers Mlb 2k9.
March 9, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I dont know.I got 360 and I got the game 2k9 last week and have no problems with it…you can play exhibition in it…..The computer doesnt always swing at everything…and contact is not ALWAYS made….I got over 50k's on my user profile already…and I play on hard…The computer does throw balls..Ive walked quite a few times..
I dont know…stealing is realy hard….but not impossible….Maybe its just whatever system or the game i dont know…but My game has been fine for the most part
March 9, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Obviously, you dont have a solid baseball game to compare to. That's a shame. While 2k7 was a fun arcade game with wow graphic appeal, 2k8 went backwards with their graphics, framerate, and the meatball was the kiss of death. If you somehow found fun it it, good for you, but to even call it a decent baseball game, reflects on your lack of baseball sim experience. My guess is that you are a child and there is nothing wrong with that, but you should state that so adults know what point of reference you are coming from. Most children prefer arcade vs sim.
March 9, 2009 at 7:42 pm
2k7 was a great game, and it looks like I'll be playing it for at least one more year.Don't know why you're calling it an "arcade" game. I've gotten very accurate seasonal statistics from my nine seasons.
BTW… I BUNTED an inside-the-park HR in the 2k9 demo! The ball went about 5 yards down the 3rd base line… stopped… and all the fielders just stood there as my player trotted around the bases. Lame.
But I agree with Adam here. I really wish VC worked with the foundations that Kush build. 2k7 was NOT a bad game. In fact, it was damn good.
March 9, 2009 at 2:05 pm
2K Sports is a JOKE!!!! I have officially traded in MLB 2K9 at Gamestop and the credit is going towards a PS3 to buy the show.
March 9, 2009 at 2:20 pm
It is bad. I'm a 360 owner… and yeah I'ma try to stick this out until Tiger Woods comes out….. but gosh this game if flawed………..
March 9, 2009 at 2:27 pm
LOL MLB 2K9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDvZChYR6I0
March 10, 2009 at 5:45 am
ROFL … the game is full of this kind of garbage.
March 9, 2009 at 3:28 pm
fUCK BASEBALL!!
March 9, 2009 at 3:33 pm
atleast you can play with every team( all 30) on the schedule in mlb 2k9 franchise the show just limits you to what , 1 team on franchise mode thats first generation shit!!! its 2009 and you can't control more than 1or 2 teams in a season or franchise mode. fuck the show!!! and the ps3
March 9, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Hahah yeah, AT LEAST. That might be about the only thing that 2k has going for it.
March 9, 2009 at 4:55 pm
whats the other game….. i know you're not talking about NBA 2K9 because that game is the best basketball game ever made…..
March 9, 2009 at 5:25 pm
"Also 2K has for some reason removed exhibition mode as well as removed player editing options."
What? what??? WHAT???!!! Are they on crack over there? Remove exhibition? What? That's insanity. Is that a misprint? And I thought EA did some dumb things with Madden (and God knows they have), but removing Exhibition is inexcusably bad.
NFL 2K5 seems like it was made eons go when considering how awful 2K games have become.
O how the mighty 2K has fallen.
March 9, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Exibition wasnt taken out its just called Play Ball LOL
March 9, 2009 at 8:10 pm
MLB Front Office Manager
March 9, 2009 at 8:17 pm
71Team Xbox
Want a better baseball video game experience? Unfortunately it’s on the PS3 with MLB The Show. Xbox 360 gamers are stuck with this rough-hewn and frustrating game that could have otherwise been a gem. Instead, that no-hitter in the bottom of the ninth got broken up by a grand slam.
What more of a wrap up do you need when TEAM XBOX is declaring the BEST BASEBALL GAME is on their rivals console. ROTFLMAO…………Way to go Visual Concepts. You just drove the final nail into the proverbial coffin. 2ksports is DEAD!!!!!!
March 9, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Its sad to see that 2k profits from all of this. In every other facet of business, a company who contiually manufactures garbage will surely go out of business. Its too bad that video game consumers don't understand that.
360 owners year after year continue to line 2k's pockets thus enabling them to survive another day to release yet another piece of crap video game. I'm sorry guys but you cant run a company based upon your successess from 5 years ago (NFL2k5). Its either put up or shut up time. Unfortunately 2k is resting on its laurels and clinging to the one title that they actually do well and thats NBA 2k.
March 9, 2009 at 8:31 pm
LOL yeah except if you want to play a game, it's still 2k9. And it just gets worse from there.
March 9, 2009 at 9:13 pm
"The most frequent glitches being seen are the misplayed balls in the outfield, 1B not standing on the bag which allows for hits when they should’ve been outs, and the outfielders going into slow motion so they either can’t reach a ball in time to catch it or so they perform a more dramatic catch."
Sadly, there are people on the 2K forums that feel these are not glitches, but are part of the "realism" of the game….wow.
March 9, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Although I haven’t played the show, I know its a hell of a lot better than 2k9. It feels like the developers either didn’t care that the game is crap or they didn’t have time to finish it. How is it that a game is taking a step backwards? Wtf! I mean come on, Manny looks like trash. He has a big ass cactus nose. This is the last 2k baseball game I’m buying. Oh yeah, I wish I had a ps3
March 9, 2009 at 11:05 pm
You can play any game on the schedule actually idiot. and like sidewinder said regardless your playing 30 different schedules of a shitty game LMAO!
March 9, 2009 at 11:53 pm
I don't necessarily disagree with this review/wrap, but why don't you share the same type of animosity towards EA when reviewing that steaming pile of crap they call Madden NFL? It's the exact same thing. Don't even try to tell me that today's Madden is as good as NFL 2k5 because it still isn't and everyone knows it. If you are going to let it rip on one developer, let's try to be unbiased here and call a spade a spade. The next time you review Madden, show some fairness. The fact that it's 5 years past an old gen game, and they still have no presentation, you can throw passes 5 yards past the line of scrimmage, and your kickers look like they weigh 300 pounds is an absolute disgrace.
March 10, 2009 at 3:00 am
the only problem with madden is in franchise barly anybody has progretion in franchise. also theres not really a reason to be complaining about madden on a review of MLB 2K9
March 10, 2009 at 12:18 pm
It really wasn't a "complaint" about Madden, but a true observation in connection to the subject. And since the correlation was definite, I think my comments were well within context, Ryan.
March 10, 2009 at 2:59 pm
KNOW YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN ONLY CONTROL YOUR 1 USER TEAM IN MLB THE SHOW FRANCHISE AND SEASON MODES STOP LYING YOU SONY BALLS JUGGLER, 2KSPORTS HAS MADE WAY BETTER GAMES THAN SONY AND LIKE I SAID FUCK !!! YOU AND YOUR 1 PS3 GAME
March 10, 2009 at 7:47 pm
I thought the game was pretty good. I've played The show it's nothing to go crazy about and i've played a good amount of baseball games. Started out with All-Star Baseball from 99-2005 then MLB 2K 06-09 I think the game is fine.
March 10, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Again:
its shocking how the company that has created the greatest basketball video games in history absolutely sucks when it comes to baseball.
i mean graphically, nba 2k and mlb 2k are complete opposites. the players in nba 2k9 look absolutely incrediblly detailed. its sad that mlb 2k9 suffered. I don't what the baseball developers were thinking because this game has so much unused potential.
the nba 2k team needs to come in and help 2k for next year
March 10, 2009 at 11:25 pm
LOL MLB 2K9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbIVUgW0t0o
March 13, 2009 at 10:44 pm
- I bought 2K6 and returned it the next day.
- I passed on 2K7 after playing the demo.
- I passed on 2K8 after playing the demo and reading the horrendous reviews.
- I passed on 2K9 after playing the demo and reading the so-so reviews.
- I got with the program and bought a PS3 just to play The Show.
- I couldn't be happier.
March 19, 2009 at 1:49 am
Thanks for posting this man. I have a question. If I put my email in the box at the home, what type of emails will I get from the site? Like it says news and stuff about the site. Also how does the Show do on PS2 for I going to but it on that in April.
April 8, 2009 at 1:24 am
Without a baseball game competeitor in the market for Xbox, the baseball games will be dissapointing.
June 22, 2009 at 2:13 am
If anyone says MLB 2K9 is better than MLB 09 The Show, one or some of the following apply:
You never played MLB 09 The Show.
You're a narrow minded 360 fanboy.
You're deaf, dumb, and blind.
You're under 10 years old.
You never have watched baseball on TV or been to a major league ball park.