2009 Madden Mock Draft 10-12

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Posted April 8th, 2009 at 2:30 pm

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It is at about this point in the Madden Mock Draft where it starts to become more difficult to choose between players. There is more subjectivity involved in evaluating potential ratings and what they would mean for the teams. A bigger consideration becomes comparing options as far as how much they can offer immediately and what positions are easier to draft valuable contributors in later rounds.

Continue on to view the picks for the 49ers, Bills, and Broncos. Remember this is more about what players would improve the teams the most in Madden 10 and beyond than it is a prediction of who will be taken in the NFL Draft.

#10 – San Francisco 49ers – Andre Smith – OT – Alabama

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This was probably the toughest call so far. The 49ers could use help this high at QB, WR, OT, OG, OLB, and CB. Guys like Andre Smith, Josh Freeman, Everette Brown, and Vontae Davis would all have been beneficial selections.

The commitment to the 3-4 defense provides a big weakness that Brown could fill as a pass rusher. The offensive line has big issues and could use Smith immediately. So it came down to those two and ultimately I decided on Smith. Since users don’t control lineman it is important to get highly rated players or else be at the mercy of defenses. While his stock has slipped some he will have the opportunity to prove it on the field and could gain some ratings upgrades in the process.

#11 – Buffalo Bills – Aaron Maybin – DE – Penn State

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The Bills were another team I went back and forth on. Pass rush is an immediate need and the offense could use a threat at TE. After narrowing it down to Aaron Maybin and Brandon Pettigrew it became a matter of value.

Maybin could come in and add that much needed element to the defense. Pettigrew roaming the middle with T.O. and Lee Evans on the outside would really enhance the offense and he is a great blocker too. But it felt a little early to pull the trigger on Pettigrew when there are some interesting TE prospects that could be grabbed later in the draft. It would be tougher to find a DE with the potential to be this effective in later rounds.

#12 – Denver Broncos – BJ Raji – DT – Boston College

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Compared to the last two selections this one seemed obvious. The Broncos now have the #18 pick which means another need could be filled there so the best available player at a position of weakness could go here. With Stafford and Sanchez gone the best idea was to beef up the defense.

BJ Raji has dropped some but is the best DT in the draft and will be rated as such. There will be decent options at the next pick potentially for a QB, RB, or LB but no tackle of Raji’s caliber will be around.

Check back in a few days for the next three picks in the Madden Mock Draft!
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  • BMan

    good picks. i hope the broncos can land raji on draft day!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/EPICgabe Gabe G.

      i dont think raji will go past the 10 spot.
      There aren't many space eating run stuffing DTs in this draft so i think someone will move up just to get him

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Frenchy180 Frenchy180

        I sure hope not… the Broncos could really use him.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/The_King_Wilmes The_King_Wilmes

          I think the Packers are very intrested in him at #9

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

          first they need a qb. if they are depending on a rookie line to support orton the broncos are in trouble and they know it!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Frenchy180 Frenchy180

            Im not exactly sure what your talking about raji is a defensive tackle and the broncos had one of the best offensive lines last year so really orton will be fine behind our line

  • BMan

    good picks. i hope the broncos can land raji on draft day!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/EPICgabe Gabe G.

      i dont think raji will go past the 10 spot.
      There aren't many space eating run stuffing DTs in this draft so i think someone will move up just to get him

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/Frenchy180 Frenchy180

        I sure hope not… the Broncos could really use him.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/The_King_Wilmes The_King_Wilmes

          I think the Packers are very intrested in him at #9

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

          first they need a qb. if they are depending on a rookie line to support orton the broncos are in trouble and they know it!

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Frenchy180 Frenchy180

            Im not exactly sure what your talking about raji is a defensive tackle
            and the broncos had one of the best offensive lines last year so really
            orton will be fine behind our line

  • BlAzZEal0t

    idk if i cann see a DE goin 1st round pick for buffalo…
    id rather see a good OL

  • BlAzZEal0t

    idk if i cann see a DE goin 1st round pick for buffalo…
    id rather see a good OL

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/rezluk Rezluk

    bills should have good team his year…wait they have to

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/rezluk Rezluk

    bills should have good team his year…wait they have to

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

    I know that in your mock draft you had Sanchez go 4th but I think the 12th spot is more suitable for him. Reports are very high on him but come draft day a lot of those high reports will be met with reality. Such as the fact he only played one year and only had 3 excellent games and the several bad ones and the rest so-so. Their are a bunch of QB's who have had great pro-days but it's gameday that matter's most. A perfect example is Tim Couch he was a can't miss prodigy with one of the best pro-days ever he was out of the league in 5 years.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

    I know that in your mock draft you had Sanchez go 4th but I think the 12th spot is more suitable for him. Reports are very high on him but come draft day a lot of those high reports will be met with reality. Such as the fact he only played one year and only had 3 excellent games, several bad ones and the rest so-so. Their are a bunch of QB's who have had great pro-days but it's gameday that matter's most. A perfect example is Tim Couch he was a can't miss prodigy with one of the best pro-days ever he was out of the league in 5 years.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sidewinder Sidewinder

      Part of the reason for that with Couch is because putting him with the Browns back then would be like putting Matt Stafford on the Lions now. Ya, he's a great QB, but there's also a chance that he'll be on the ground 2 seconds after the snap, and in that case it won't matter.

      That said I'm still with you, I think he should go later, but some teams with early picks could feel like they can't miss out on him. I don't think he'll go 4 because I think Hasselback still has some upside and will be there for a while. However, don't be surprised if the Chiefs take him at 3 or even 2 with the Rams since they got an OT last year and Steven Jackson at RB. Again, I think he should go higher, but I'd be really surprised if the Broncos take him at 12. That D is worse than the Lions and they would be stupid not to build there.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Sidewinder Sidewinder

      Part of the reason for that with Couch is because putting him with the Browns back then would be like putting Matt Stafford on the Lions now. Ya, he's a great QB, but there's also a chance that he'll be on the ground 2 seconds after the snap, and in that case it won't matter.

      That said I'm still with you, I think he should go later, but some teams with early picks could feel like they can't miss out on him. I don't think he'll go 4 because I think Hasselback still has some upside and will be there for a while. However, don't be surprised if the Chiefs take him at 3 or even 2 with the Rams since they got an OT last year and have Steven Jackson at RB. Again, I think he should go higher, but I'd be really surprised if the Broncos take him at 12. That D is worse than the Lions and they would be stupid not to build there.

      Btw, about Stafford, Pro Football Talk is reporting that the Lions are pretty damn sure they want him.
      http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/08/lions-l

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/EPICgabe Gabe G.

        I think the Lions should take the safe pick and go with Jason Smith. There's too much going against Stafford especially if he ends up in Detroit. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up like David Carr or Tim Couch. I think Carr set the NFL record for being sacked the most times in his rookie year.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

          I think so also. stafford is literally walking in a lions den! its not like the lions will be good anyway this year. why not take smith loose like they always do and have a shot at the kid from oklahoma bradford next year with atleast an oline to stop the daily blitz's

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

    I know that in your mock draft you had Sanchez go 4th but I think the 12th spot is more suitable for him. Reports are very high on him but come draft day a lot of those high reports will be met with reality. Such as the fact he only played one year and only had 3 excellent games and the several bad ones and the rest so-so. Their are a bunch of QB's who have had great pro-days but it's gameday that matter's most. A perfect example is Tim Couch he was a can't miss prodigy with one of the best pro-days ever he was out of the league in 5 years.

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

    I know that in your mock draft you had Sanchez go 4th but I think the 12th spot is more suitable for him. Reports are very high on him but come draft day a lot of those high reports will be met with reality. Such as the fact he only played one year and only had 3 excellent games, several bad ones and the rest so-so. Their are a bunch of QB's who have had great pro-days but it's gameday that matter's most. A perfect example is Tim Couch he was a can't miss prodigy with one of the best pro-days ever he was out of the league in 5 years.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Sidewinder Sidewinder

      Part of the reason for that with Couch is because putting him with the Browns back then would be like putting Matt Stafford on the Lions now. Ya, he's a great QB, but there's also a chance that he'll be on the ground 2 seconds after the snap, and in that case it won't matter.

      That said I'm still with you, I think he should go later, but some teams with early picks could feel like they can't miss out on him. I don't think he'll go 4 because I think Hasselback still has some upside and will be there for a while. However, don't be surprised if the Chiefs take him at 3 or even 2 with the Rams since they got an OT last year and Steven Jackson at RB. Again, I think he should go higher, but I'd be really surprised if the Broncos take him at 12. That D is worse than the Lions and they would be stupid not to build there.

    • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Sidewinder Sidewinder

      Part of the reason for that with Couch is because putting him with the Browns back then would be like putting Matt Stafford on the Lions now. Ya, he's a great QB, but there's also a chance that he'll be on the ground 2 seconds after the snap, and in that case it won't matter.

      That said I'm still with you, I think he should go later, but some teams with early picks could feel like they can't miss out on him. I don't think he'll go 4 because I think Hasselback still has some upside and will be there for a while. However, don't be surprised if the Chiefs take him at 3 or even 2 with the Rams since they got an OT last year and have Steven Jackson at RB. Again, I think he should go higher, but I'd be really surprised if the Broncos take him at 12. That D is worse than the Lions and they would be stupid not to build there.

      Btw, about Stafford, Pro Football Talk is reporting that the Lions are pretty damn sure they want him.
      http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/04/08/lions-l

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/EPICgabe Gabe G.

        I think the Lions should take the safe pick and go with Jason Smith. There's too much going against Stafford especially if he ends up in Detroit. I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up like David Carr or Tim Couch. I think Carr set the NFL record for being sacked the most times in his rookie year.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

          I think so also. stafford is literally walking in a lions den! its not like the lions will be good anyway this year. why not take smith loose like they always do and have a shot at the kid from oklahoma bradford next year with atleast an oline to stop the daily blitz's

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/BigD8875 BigD8875

    Andre Smith to the 49ers is a good pick but with the players on the board at that point they may also look to BJ Raji with #10.

    Aaron Maybin at #11 to the Bills is an alright pick. There may be bigger needs areas but it certainly is not a bad pick at this point.

    BJ Raji to the Broncos at #12 is a steal at this point. If the broncos can grab him at 12 and get some more defensive help at #18 then they will vastly improve their chances at getting back into contention in 2 years if not next year. The BPA, Best player in draft at his position, and an area of need with the 12 pick? I don't think you can ask for more

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/BigD8875 BigD8875

    Andre Smith to the 49ers is a good pick but with the players on the board at that point they may also look to BJ Raji with #10.

    Aaron Maybin at #11 to the Bills is an alright pick. There may be bigger needs areas but it certainly is not a bad pick at this point.

    BJ Raji to the Broncos at #12 is a steal at this point. If the broncos can grab him at 12 and get some more defensive help at #18 then they will vastly improve their chances at getting back into contention in 2 years if not next year. The BPA, Best player in draft at his position, and an area of need with the 12 pick? I don't think you can ask for more

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

    My top 5 can't miss prospects in no particular order:
    1)Michael Crabtree(WR)-forget what you heard this kid is a flat out star in waiting
    2)Aaron Curry(LB)-top 5 LB in the NFL in a couple years with proper coaching
    3)Eugene Monroe(OT)-the safest bet and the best equipped to play immediately
    4)Knowshown Moreno(RB)-should be a "better" Brian Westbrook. barring injury will be top 5 RB in NFL in 2 years
    5)Eben Britton(OT)- not flashy just solid. will the right tackle spot for years to come. would be great in MIN

    My top 5 potential busts:
    1)Darrius Hyward-Bey(WR)-a track star in pads
    2)Andre Smith(OT)-would you want a person who disappears without notification protecting your QB?
    3)Brain Orakpo(DE-LB)- he needs the proper system to be effective
    4)Malcom Jenkins(CB)- not a knock against him but a knock on this position. dominate college corners don't seem to translate well into the NFL
    5)B.J. Raji(DT)-it's hard for young tackles to play well especially for bad teams which he will most likely go to

    Top 5 sleepers
    1)Hakeem Nicks(WR)-not a track star, not pretty just a good all around football player
    2)Percy Harvin(WR-RB)-does everything and does them all well can play WR, RB & KR just needs to settle down in one position.
    3)Jeron Gilber(DT)t-a ton of collegiate production, great E/W shrine game, good pro day great measurables
    4)Nathan Brown(QB)-all he needs is an opportunity and he will shine.
    5)Kenny Britt(WR)-has the measurements and ability only question is his heart

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

    My top 5 can't miss prospects in no particular order:
    1)Michael Crabtree(WR)-forget what you heard this kid is a flat out star in waiting
    2)Aaron Curry(LB)-top 5 LB in the NFL in a couple years with proper coaching
    3)Eugene Monroe(OT)-the safest bet and the best equipped to play immediately
    4)Knowshown Moreno(RB)-should be a "better" Brian Westbrook. barring injury will be top 5 RB in NFL in 2 years
    5)Eben Britton(OT)- not flashy just solid. will the right tackle spot for years to come. would be great in MIN

    My top 5 potential busts:
    1)Darrius Hyward-Bey(WR)-a track star in pads
    2)Andre Smith(OT)-would you want a person who disappears without notification protecting your QB?
    3)Brain Orakpo(DE-LB)- he needs the proper system to be effective
    4)Malcom Jenkins(CB)- not a knock against him but a knock on this position. dominate college corners don't seem to translate well into the NFL
    5)B.J. Raji(DT)-it's hard for young tackles to play well especially for bad teams which he will most likely go to

    Top 5 sleepers
    1)Hakeem Nicks(WR)-not a track star, not pretty just a good all around football player
    2)Percy Harvin(WR-RB)-does everything and does them all well can play WR, RB & KR just needs to settle down in one position.
    3)Jeron Gilber(DT)t-a ton of collegiate production, great E/W shrine game, good pro day great measurables
    4)Nathan Brown(QB)-all he needs is an opportunity and he will shine.
    5)Kenny Britt(WR)-has the measurements and ability only question is his heart

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

    My top 5 can't miss prospects in no particular order:
    1)Michael Crabtree (WR) -forget what you heard this kid is a flat out star in waiting
    2)Aaron Curry (LB ) -top 5 LB in the NFL in a couple years with proper coaching
    3)Eugene Monroe (OT) -the safest bet and the best equipped to play immediately
    4)Knowshown Moreno (RB ) -should be a "better" Brian Westbrook. barring injury will be top 5 RB in NFL in 2 years
    5)Eben Britton (OT) – not flashy just solid. will the hold down the right tackle spot for years to come. would be great in MIN

    My top 5 potential busts:
    1)Darrius Hyward-Bey (WR) -a track star in pads
    2)Andre Smith (OT) -would you want a person who disappears without notification protecting your QB?
    3)Brain Orakpo (DE-LB ) -he needs the proper system to be effective
    4)Malcom Jenkins (CB ) -not a knock against him but a knock on this position. dominate college corners don't seem to translate well into the NFL
    5)B.J. Raji (DT) -it's hard for young tackles to play well especially for bad teams which he will most likely go to

    Top 5 sleepers
    1)Hakeem Nicks (WR) -not a track star, not pretty just a good all around football player
    2)Percy Harvin (WR-RB ) -does everything and does them all well can play WR, RB & KR just needs to settle down in one position.
    3)Jeron Gilber (DT) -a ton of collegiate production, great E/W shrine game, good pro day great measurables
    4)Nathan Brown (QB ) -all he needs is an opportunity and he will shine.
    5)Kenny Britt (WR) -has the measurements and ability only question is his heart

    • Dre

      I agree with your assesment but how do you think Stafford will pan out and what team if any do you think would pick up Muhamad Massoquoi(sp)

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

        The thing about Stafford to use an analogy is that he is like the only girl in a camp full of guys, even if she isn't good looking she is going to get a ton of play. He is the only QB in this draft that you have a good assumption that he will be good. Stafford has the size and arm strength and ability to read defenses but as the #1 pick playing the toughest position in sports that is a huge risk. In my opinion if Detroit takes him I think he will surprise a lot of people because Calvin Johnson will erase most of his mistakes. But if he goes to a team without a true #1 WR he could lose his confidence and find himself battling for a roster spot or as a journeyman in couple of years.

        As for Muhamad Massoquoi do you know the difference between a good receiver and a journeyman? Besides having good hands a receiver has to be able to run smart and precise routes. A lot of receivers think about how to run their route instead of which route to run. Case in point if a WR is suppose to run a dig (curl) route and a LB is playing a zone in your area you don't run your route right behind him and look for the QB you run your route outside of his zone. You see a lot of young WR counting their steps then run their route right with a defender directly in front of them and it's pick 6 the other way. Muhamad Massoquoi has is a strong body, decent speed and good leaping ability what he is missing are the hands and route running ability. If he can improve his concentration he could be a good slot or possession type WR but I don't see much upside in his game as he really never dominated at any level. I see him going on the 2nd day (3-7 rounds) probably mid 4-5th round for a team looking for depth on special teams and WR.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/EPICgabe Gabe G.

      Since the end of November I've been a Heyward-Bey believer but maybe its because I'm a Raiders fan and the first thing i noticed was the height-weight-speed combo he has.
      Would not surprise me at all if the Raiders took him at the 7 spot though

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

      Moreno top 5??? comeon you cant be serious. he is not even top 5 in 1,000 mock draft…well except yours.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

        I never said that Knowshown Moreno was going to go in the top 5. As you should know teams do not always draft the best player sometimes they draft players who fit their needs or system. Combined with the fact that RB is a very expendable position he will not be a top 5 pick. What I said is that he has top 5 talent. To be short the kid is a stud. His production, his intangibles his measurements are all on point. His workouts were equally impressive as he has natural ability as both a runner and as a receiver. Will he go in the top 5? Probably not, but what I said was he is in the top 5 of this draft to turn into a star.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

          Well Mr EA teams in the top 5 take best players!!! as do most of the teams in the top 10! thats why they trade down or trade out!!!! As for Moreno he has no blazing speed and is not an over powering rb at 5'11 207. At best he will be no better than bryant westbrook as the reason why i think the eagles will take him and why they are looking at him. i dont understand what in your book makes him better than westbrook. cause he played for georgia???

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

            Okay Okafor43 teams do not always take the "best" player when they have a top 5 pick. There are too many examples to refute your point such as Gaines Adams over Adrian Peterson in 2007, Alex Smith over Braylon Edwards in 2005, and Dewayne Roberts over Terrell Suggs in 2003. These were all drafted for needs instead of overall talent. Teams do the what I like to call the "Sam Bowie Syndrome" draft meaning they draft to fill needs instead of taking the best player. Later in the draft normally day 2 is when teams will start to take the best athlete.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

            lol Adrian Peterson had injury concerns that caused him to fall out of the top picks he had 2 injuries with shoulder in 2 seasons and an ankle injury. Alex Smith had a break out year at Utah and was considered at that time the best qb in the draft you dont pass on a franchise qb is the rule of thumb in the nfl draft. Dewayne Robertson went to Kentucky and was a top prospect not heard of cause obviously the blue grass state is more known for basketball than the pigskin. teams are built for needs in late first to the second round some projects are taken in the second round round.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

            Alex Smith had too many concerns over his arm strength, size and athletic ability they only took him because SF wanted an "West Coast" styled QB and Aaron Rogers didn't fit the description. Remember they were going to take Rogers simply because of him arm and size but backed off and went with Smith. Another example of need vs talent. Also your previous argument as to why Moreno can't be a top 5 RB because of his speed is ridiculous. The final 40 time is not all that important what you watch for is how quickly they start get to top speed and maintain it. Moreno is in the mold of a Westbrook and Tomlinson in that they are football players not track stars. If Moreno can stay away from injuries he will be a special player in the league.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

            I Respect your opinion but there is a gap between westbrook and tomlinson. that favors tomlinson of course. alex smith went ahead of rodgers cause first rodgers had acurracy problems throwing the deep ball and a mechanical delivery not nowhere the athlete that smith was at qb. I could have sworn smith had pretty good arm strength as no one will take a qb #1 overall with no arm.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Frenchy180 Frenchy180

            Do you see Moreno being available at the number 18 pick for Denver, and if so do you think they take him?

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

        I never said that Knowshown Moreno was going to go in the top 5. As you should know teams do not always draft the best player sometimes they draft players who fit their needs or system. Combined with the fact that RB is a very expendable position he will not be a top 5 pick. What I said is that he has top 5 talent. To be short the kid is a stud. His production, his intangibles his measurements are all on point. His workouts were equally impressive as he has natural ability as both a runner and as a receiver. Will he go in the top 5 probably no, but what I said was he is in the top 5 of this draft to turn into a star.

      • Dre

        You must be a Beenie Wells follower to say such blasphemous things about Moreno ;) You must not have seen too many games that Moreno played in.And his shelf life is High because he didn't take as many hits while in College.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

          Im not high on wells either too many injuries. if these running backs are soo great why arent both of them going high???? just cause you are a success in college doesnt mean nothing in the nfl rb world (see Reggie Bush) when line backers and line are just as fast as you!

  • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

    My top 5 can't miss prospects in no particular order:
    1)Michael Crabtree (WR) -forget what you heard this kid is a flat out star in waiting
    2)Aaron Curry (LB ) -top 5 LB in the NFL in a couple years with proper coaching
    3)Eugene Monroe (OT) -the safest bet and the best equipped to play immediately
    4)Knowshown Moreno (RB ) -should be a "better" Brian Westbrook. barring injury will be top 5 RB in NFL in 2 years
    5)Eben Britton (OT) – not flashy just solid. will the hold down the right tackle spot for years to come. would be great in MIN

    My top 5 potential busts:
    1)Darrius Hyward-Bey (WR) -a track star in pads
    2)Andre Smith (OT) -would you want a person who disappears without notification protecting your QB?
    3)Brain Orakpo (DE-LB ) -he needs the proper system to be effective
    4)Malcom Jenkins (CB ) -not a knock against him but a knock on this position. dominate college corners don't seem to translate well into the NFL
    5)B.J. Raji (DT) -it's hard for young tackles to play well especially for bad teams which he will most likely go to

    Top 5 sleepers
    1)Hakeem Nicks (WR) -not a track star, not pretty just a good all around football player
    2)Percy Harvin (WR-RB ) -does everything and does them all well can play WR, RB & KR just needs to settle down in one position.
    3)Jeron Gilber (DT) -a ton of collegiate production, great E/W shrine game, good pro day great measurables
    4)Nathan Brown (QB ) -all he needs is an opportunity and he will shine.
    5)Kenny Britt (WR) -has the measurements and ability only question is his heart

    • Dre

      I agree with your assesment but how do you think Stafford will pan out and what team if any do you think would pick up Muhamad Massoquoi(sp)

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

        The thing about Stafford to use an analogy is that he is like the only girl in a camp full of guys, even if she isn't good looking she is going to get a ton of play. He is the only QB in this draft that you have a good assumption that he will be good. Stafford has the size and arm strength and ability to read defenses but as the #1 pick playing the toughest position in sports that is a huge risk. In my opinion if Detroit takes him I think he will surprise a lot of people because Calvin Johnson will erase most of his mistakes. But if he goes to a team without a true #1 WR he could lose his confidence and find himself battling for a roster spot or as a journeyman in couple of years.

        As for Muhamad Massoquoi do you know the difference between a good receiver and a journeyman? Besides having good hands a receiver has to be able to run smart and precise routes. A lot of receivers think about how to run their route instead of which route to run. Case in point if a WR is suppose to run a dig (curl) route and a LB is playing a zone in your area you don't run your route right behind him and look for the QB you run your route outside of his zone. You see a lot of young WR counting their steps then run their route right with a defender directly in front of them and it's pick 6 the other way. Muhamad Massoquoi has is a strong body, decent speed and good leaping ability what he is missing are the hands and route running ability. If he can improve his concentration he could be a good slot or possession type WR but I don't see much upside in his game as he really never dominated at any level. I see him going on the 2nd day (3-7 rounds) probably mid 4-5th round for a team looking for depth on special teams and WR.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/EPICgabe Gabe G.

      Since the end of November I've been a Heyward-Bey believer but maybe its because I'm a Raiders fan and the first thing i noticed was the height-weight-speed combo he has.
      Would not surprise me at all if the Raiders took him at the 7 spot though

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

      Moreno top 5??? comeon you cant be serious. he is not even top 5 in 1,000 mock draft…well except yours.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

        I never said that Knowshown Moreno was going to go in the top 5. As you should know teams do not always draft the best player sometimes they draft players who fit their needs or system. Combined with the fact that RB is a very expendable position he will not be a top 5 pick. What I said is that he has top 5 talent. To be short the kid is a stud. His production, his intangibles his measurements are all on point. His workouts were equally impressive as he has natural ability as both a runner and as a receiver. Will he go in the top 5 probably no, but what I said was he is in the top 5 of this draft to turn into a star.

      • http://www.intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

        I never said that Knowshown Moreno was going to go in the top 5. As you should know teams do not always draft the best player sometimes they draft players who fit their needs or system. Combined with the fact that RB is a very expendable position he will not be a top 5 pick. What I said is that he has top 5 talent. To be short the kid is a stud. His production, his intangibles his measurements are all on point. His workouts were equally impressive as he has natural ability as both a runner and as a receiver. Will he go in the top 5? Probably not, but what I said was he is in the top 5 of this draft to turn into a star.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

          Well Mr EA teams in the top 5 take best players!!! as do most of the teams in the top 10! thats why they trade down or trade out!!!! As for Moreno he has no blazing speed and is not an over powering rb at 5'11 207. At best he will be no better than bryant westbrook as the reason why i think the eagles will take him and why they are looking at him. i dont understand what in your book makes him better than westbrook. cause he played for georgia???

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

            Okay Okafor43 teams do not always take the "best" player when they have a top 5 pick. There are too many examples to refute your point such as Gaines Adams over Adrian Peterson in 2007, Alex Smith over Braylon Edwards in 2005, and Dewayne Roberts over Terrell Suggs in 2003. These were all drafted for needs instead of overall talent. Teams do the what I like to call the "Sam Bowie Syndrome" draft meaning they draft to fill needs instead of taking the best player. Later in the draft normally day 2 is when teams will start to take the best athlete.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

            lol Adrian Peterson had injury concerns that caused him to fall out of the top picks he had 2 injuries with shoulder in 2 seasons and an ankle injury. Alex Smith had a break out year at Utah and was considered at that time the best qb in the draft you dont pass on a franchise qb is the rule of thumb in the nfl draft. Dewayne Robertson went to Kentucky and was a top prospect not heard of cause obviously the blue grass state is more known for basketball than the pigskin. teams are built for needs in late first to the second round some projects are taken in the second round round.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

            Alex Smith had too many concerns over his arm strength, size and athletic ability they only took him because SF wanted an "West Coast" styled QB and Aaron Rogers didn't fit the description. Remember they were going to take Rogers simply because of him arm and size but backed off and went with Smith. Another example of need vs talent. Also your previous argument as to why Moreno can't be a top 5 RB because of his speed is ridiculous. The final 40 time is not all that important what you watch for is how quickly they start get to top speed and maintain it. Moreno is in the mold of a Westbrook and Tomlinson in that they are football players not track stars. If Moreno can stay away from injuries he will be a special player in the league.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

            I Respect your opinion but there is a gap between westbrook and tomlinson. that favors tomlinson of course. alex smith went ahead of rodgers cause first rodgers had acurracy problems throwing the deep ball and a mechanical delivery not nowhere the athlete that smith was at qb. I could have sworn smith had pretty good arm strength as no one will take a qb #1 overall with no arm.

          • http://intensedebate.com/people/Frenchy180 Frenchy180

            Do you see Moreno being available at the number 18 pick for Denver, and if so do you think they take him?

      • Dre

        You must be a Beenie Wells follower to say such blasphemous things about Moreno ;) You must not have seen too many games that Moreno played in.And his shelf life is High because he didn't take as many hits while in College.

        • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

          Im not high on wells either too many injuries. if these running backs are soo great why arent both of them going high???? just cause you are a success in college doesnt mean nothing in the nfl rb world (see Reggie Bush) when line backers and line are just as fast as you!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/the360king the360king

    Couch also had problems reading defenses. Yeah…I know…It's hard to read defenses when you are on your back, but even when he had time he often had problems with this. When at Kentucky, he had a very limited play book and played out of the shotgun. Both of those contributed to his learning curve. It is hard enough to learn to read defenses in the NFL when you came from a team that didn't run a pro-style offense. When you couple that with the fact that he also had a vastly larger playbook, had to now read defenses dropping back, giving him less time to process, it was a lot to overcome.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/the360king the360king

    Couch also had problems reading defenses. Yeah…I know…It's hard to read defenses when you are on your back, but even when he had time he often had problems with this. When at Kentucky, he had a very limited play book and played out of the shotgun. Both of those contributed to his learning curve. It is hard enough to learn to read defenses in the NFL when you came from a team that didn't run a pro-style offense. When you couple that with the fact that he also had a vastly larger playbook, had to now read defenses dropping back, giving him less time to process, it was a lot to overcome.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

    I never said that Knowshown Moreno was going to go in the top 5. As you should know teams do not always draft the best player sometimes they draft players who fit their needs or system. Combined with the fact that RB is a very expendable position he will not be a top 5 pick. What I said is that he has top 5 talent. To be short the kid is a stud. His production, his intangibles his measurements are all on point. His workouts were equally impressive as he has natural ability as both a runner and as a receiver. Will he go in the top 5 probably not but what I said was he is in the top 5 of this draft to turn into a star.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Mr_EA_Sports Mr_EA_Sports

    I never said that Knowshown Moreno was going to go in the top 5. As you should know teams do not always draft the best player sometimes they draft players who fit their needs or system. Combined with the fact that RB is a very expendable position he will not be a top 5 pick. What I said is that he has top 5 talent. To be short the kid is a stud. His production, his intangibles his measurements are all on point. His workouts were equally impressive as he has natural ability as both a runner and as a receiver. Will he go in the top 5 probably not but what I said was he is in the top 5 of this draft to turn into a star.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

    Not too many teams are in the market for qb's this year and after sanchez and stafford and freeman the picture gets murky. sanchez could go high depending on denver, bucs and seattle and if detroit will take stafford. teams wont pass on franchise qb's no matter how green they are for every time couch there is an alex smith, joey harrington, rex grossman, heath shuler, and so on and so on

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

    Not too many teams are in the market for qb's this year and after sanchez and stafford and freeman the picture gets murky. sanchez could go high depending on denver, bucs and seattle and if detroit will take stafford. teams wont pass on franchise qb's no matter how green they are for every time couch there is an alex smith, joey harrington, rex grossman, heath shuler, and so on and so on

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

    Lynch is suspended for first 3 games. they will be in the hole to start the season already. I'm still not sold on trent edwards

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/rezluk Rezluk

      i know man i was just jokeing i hatethe bills and t.o. Im a giants fan til the day I die!!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

    Lynch is suspended for first 3 games. they will be in the hole to start the season already. I'm still not sold on trent edwards

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/rezluk Rezluk

      i know man i was just jokeing i hatethe bills and t.o. Im a giants fan til the day I die!!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

    and also later rounds.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

    and also later rounds.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

    I would see it happening but i also see them packaging the pick to move up and take sanchez

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

    I would see it happening but i also see them packaging the pick to move up and take sanchez

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