
Having spent a significant amount of time with NBA 2K10 over the last few days it felt like a good time to post some of my general impressions of the game thus far. Of course make sure to watch the videos I’ve posted to make your own judgments on some of the strengths and weaknesses. The demo will be out tomorrow for the 360 exclusively with the Magic @ Lakers in a single four minute quarter. From the way things have been explained it sounds like the PS3 won’t see it until next Thursday. At least some of you will get a chance to form your own first hand opinions and see how that compares to what I’ve experienced.
Continue on for my observations from playing NBA 2K10 and feel free to leave your thoughts in the comments.
Overall the game isn’t going to really surprise anyone, and that isn’t necessarily a bad thing considering the series has been highly regarded. There are certainly improvements that have been made over 2K9 however for most people who just pick up and play the game it will have a very familiar feel. What you liked from last year will almost certainly still be there so I’m not going to reiterate those in this write-up, just the things that stood out to me while playing. The biggest addition comes with My Player mode which adds depth to a feature set that had been lacking and provides some real variety to how to play a basketball game.
While I’ll be saving a full article to cover My Player mode I have stumbled across one issue that has really detracted from the enjoyment. After being cut from the Summer Circuit I was picked up by an NBDL team. The games in the NBDL are played in a sold out arena with additions such as cheerleaders which may be the culprit for a drop in the framerate. While it is not unplayable it is quite annoying (jumpy, sluggish) almost to the point where I don’t want to play the mode anymore. The framerate does drop slightly in normal games when using camera angles closer to the court (2K, Action) but isn’t nearly as pronounced as seen in My Player. I’ll continue on to see if the framerate problem occurs in NBA games as well given that is where people will spend most of their time.
There is a completely new menu system which is a welcome change from the old one which was terrible. Unfortunately I don’t like this one much either. I’ve always navigated menus with the D-Pad but it is difficult to do that with this menu system because you have to hold the direction and then press A at the same time. So options in the corners require pushing to the side and the top or bottom at the same time. I’ve found myself slipping off what I wanted pretty frequently. If you played the Draft Combine it is the same format for the full game.
With the gameplay one positive is the off-ball movement. You don’t necessarily need to run a play to make something happen. Court spacing is a little better than last year but I’ve still found it relatively difficult to get open mid-range shots.
I really like the effect that the limit on turbo provides. Unlike in Draft Combine where you started to adjust and play unrealistically to conserve turbo (why trail on a fast break when it would cost you?) here the real players have much more stamina. So you don’t want to misuse turbo, but you don’t feel discouraged from using it in the right situations. It makes for a nice balance.
Shot percentages are very high all around on the default settings. I’ll have up videos of a full game (GM 7 of the NBA Finals) on All-Star tomorrow and I’m sure the shot percentages will be a big topic of discussion coming out of it. This is something that can be adjusted with sliders although when venturing online you’ll be stuck with the defaults. Open shots are so rarely missed, while obviously understanding that they should be more likely to go in, you know the shot is going to be good before it’s even released.
For whatever reason I’ve found All Star to be easier than Pro. Shot percentages remain high, CPU seems a little sloppier with the ball, Pick and Roll is maybe not quite as effective but general player movement allows for more scoring opportunities. I didn’t start winning games until I moved the difficulty up from Pro to All Star which is bizarre.
The AI makes some questionable decisions. I’ve found this to be especially the case defensively. Zone defense seems to be useless because your teammates play their areas in such lackadaisical fashion allowing for wide open shots. The AI also has difficulty defending the Pick and Roll which is the most effective offensive tactic I’ve come across. Help defense in general is not very good. It appears that once a player makes a move for the basket it has almost been scripted that they’ll be getting the shot off and rarely is it properly contested.
I have seen some cool instances of hustle plays. You don’t have control over them (similar to how you don’t control put back dunks) but they haven’t occurred an inordinate amount of times and have made sense in the context of the situations.
One of the things that bothers me the most is I can’t seem to take any leaners or momentum based shots. I can be running using turbo and holding the stick a direction and the player will stop immediately as soon as I go for the shot and go straight up with a jump shot. I’d probably feel better about creating your own shots if they didn’t allow for the defender to be right there and contest it because you can’t be more creative with the shots. It also doesn’t seem possible to take quick shots since you either get a pump fake or they go through their entire shot motion.
I’m not a big fan of the post-score replays, reaction scenes, and “G Moments”. It just interrupts the flow and pace of the game. What bothers me most is that the replays seemingly allow the defense to get down the court while you’re stuck waiting to inbound the ball. If it was stopping the action completely I’d be okay with it. Despite that the overall presentation is nicely done with the highlights in between the quarters and the post game setup that provides numerous options to view highlights even down to reels for each specific player.
The atmosphere of the games is better but still doesn’t quite live up to what I would hope for. Crowd reactions are inconsistent. You’ll get a roar from the home crowd for hitting a three, but then the next time you hit three there may be no cheering at all for it. You’ll see in the Finals game seven videos the crowd doesn’t really even get into the game until the 4th quarter. I was especially hoping there would be playoff crowds wearing the team colors but that has not been included. I didn’t really get a special feel from the playoffs or Finals which was disappointing.
Graphically the game looks a lot like last year with improved lighting but the player faces are all over the board. Take a look at my earlier posting of screenshots for good examples. Some players look decent and others look horrendous. This can’t be all due to the emotion that has been added in because they look odd even when not making an expression. It is also a little distracting in the post-score reaction scenes how the players look bug-eyed running back down the court.
One thing that really annoys me is the slowness of the refs. This is something that was seen in Draft Combine as well. They take their time to get into position and hold onto the ball for a while before handing it over. If you are unlucky enough to throw the ball down the court on an inbounds and it goes out, it’ll be well over 30 seconds before the ref collects the ball, runs it cross court, gives it to the other ref, gets in position, and the ball is handed over to start play.
Also be careful when inbounding at the start of a quarter. In many cases I’m finding that my point guard is down at the other end of the court for some reason. This has led to hitting A, expecting a normal inbound to the PG, only to see the ball get launched and result in a turnover.
Just a couple random things I have noted was a case where the mascot was break dancing on the court during play and how frustrating it is that you get sent back to the original start screen if you are inactive for about 20 seconds in the menus/team select screens and when you return everything has been reset.
I have yet to do do anything with online play as there are still only a handful of people out there with copies, but it’ll be something I jump into when the opportunity presents itself. Coming off 2K9 which had a poor online experience, including a mode in Team Up that never properly worked, this is an important area to see improvement. Unfortunately a few serious problems have already been discovered that need to be addressed.
To wrap up my feelings on the game so far it has been fun for the most part but some issues are present that will need to be accommodated to or adjusted. My Player mode has been much more compelling than the bore that was the Draft Combine but the framerate drop when reaching the NBDL is a concern. You pretty much have a good idea of what you’re going to get out of NBA 2K10. That is a good thing if you’ve enjoyed the series in the past but may not be enough if you’re looking for a fresher experience.
September 29, 2009 at 11:47 am
In all honesty who cares what pasta says its pretty well known which game he favors, he can say he is being fair but he is not. Live definitely improved but if i had the chance i wouldnt buy it over nba 2k9. Look we all know nba 2k will outsell live and nba 2k will have better reviews than live. If you look at his impressions last year about it its pretty much the same as far as how many positives he found in live over 2k. The live demo definitely had better visuals this time around but the players still had that robotic feel to them. Ill buy 2k regardless because i need a bball game, base you own opinion on the game, dont base it on message boards where you have loyal fans posting or magazine editors posting thinking they are more qualified to post. All pasta is, is someone who started his own site to post his opinions, like all of us he is a fan boy of one product or the other, its apparent he is not an unbias poster, so if you want good reviews go to ign or metacritic, stop giving this fool any credit
September 30, 2009 at 3:35 am
Why are u slamming him for giving his impressions of the game. Why are you here, buy your own site then you can embarrass yourself, because your too dumb to put 2 sentences together.
September 29, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Pasta how can you give a review with EA pasting your face with their seed?
September 29, 2009 at 8:34 pm
I read Pasta's impressions earlier while at work today and my first reaction was that "this guy is very negative". But boy, was he ever right. I got home, downloaded the demo and me and pasta share very similar impressions. I am a 2k supporters. I don't like live and I still won't buy Live but folks I am sorry but 2k is taking a step backwards. I loved 2k8, and was quite disappointed with 2k9, therefore this doesn't surprise me. The game isn't terrible, it's very playable, but at the same time it's not something that "amazes" me. There is just not a "wow" factor that I was hoping for. The game speed is to slow. I've watched NBA player's practice and they don't run with this "slow jog" run animation that is happening in 2k10. That is just not realistic. Professional basketball player's play at a fast pace. Maybe the slow pace works for Madden, but certainly not basketball. Also, pasta was right the momentum shots. It's just look weird to run at full speed to a spot on the court and then pull up with a jump shot animation as if the player was not running at all. The game isn't a bad game, it's just not something I can say I am impress with based off the demo.
September 29, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Damage Control has already begun. I've bought 2K for the past 3 years..and all they add is a few more dunk animations, and signature stadium sounds and actions for the players. This year they went all out and added a few new MODES to a already stale game. I didn't preorder Live…I paid for the dayem thing a week ago.. seeing the Vids of 2K I already knew. In the classic words of Micheal Ray Richardson "Ship be sinking". LMAO
September 29, 2009 at 9:55 pm
pasta isn't the only one who's played it. I HAVE IT as well and I disagree with 50% of this article Pasta doesn't know how to play the game because he would know you can't use the X button to do leaners and runners. I have no problem with slowdown on My Player mode maybe its his xbox.
If he stops playing on Kiddy (All Star) maybe the shot% would be better. I only play on Hall of Fame and my shot% rarely goes over 50% average.
2k is just to advanced for him end of story.
GT= Alsolidus
September 29, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Do you think you could put a quick video of the D-League's My Player Mode thing because i would really like to see the frame rate problems.
September 30, 2009 at 1:57 am
LMAO! First of all phuck you 2K for putting out that demo one day after my gold membership expired. It was worth the 8 bucks (re-upped for 1 month) because I damn sure aint paying $60.00 for that joint lol. Ya'll coulda told us to pop in NBA 2K9 if we wanted a demo this year. I got love for ya but ya'll doing us bball fans wrong. I always liked both games but NBA Live I'm coming back home baby!! Competition is good. By the way, the Pasta review is on point.
September 30, 2009 at 3:39 am
Im a long time live fan, but just because it's prettier and it is beatiful it plays like a bball 1 01 game for beginners. you hit buttons and they do a random move not a certain move. gameplay is still very inferior IMO. it's night and day. The answer to me this year is neither game is brilliant, but 2k wins this year, so ill take the pc version and wait another year for live.
September 30, 2009 at 2:30 pm
…well good for you…
September 30, 2009 at 3:33 am
I have played 2K10 and loved 2K8, but this is by far the worst of all their games. I'm not a fanboy of live I'm a fanboy of good games. Biggest issue I had was AI defense was horrible, only way to defend is play every player. Don't worry, I'm sure you will want to find out yourselves so spend the money play the game and you will see what I mean and Pasta means. Great review Pasta you were dead on.
September 30, 2009 at 4:34 am
Your not helping your case by stating mutliple times that you are not a LIVE fanboy. But I can't believe you think this is the worst rendition of 2K, I have the game and I can tell you, its much better than 2K9, better than the LIVE 10 demo at least IMHO
September 30, 2009 at 7:16 am
now that everyone played the demo is funny how people are agreeing with pasta and seeing the game is pretty much the same as last year
September 30, 2009 at 2:11 am
PASTA YOU ARE A EA DICK RIDING FAG………….. HOW CAN YOU DO INITIAL IMPRESSIONS AND HAVE NOTHING POSITIVE TO SAY. I CAN THINK OF 100 THINGS WRONG WITH THAT WHACK ASS LIVE DEMO. OH FREESTYLE PASSING IN LIVE IS REVOLUTIONARY….. GIVE ME A BREAK DUDE… DOES EA PAY OR SPONSER YOU TO DO THIS SHIT
September 30, 2009 at 3:40 am
there are some really dumb people in this world…ea sucks takes the cake.
September 30, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Man 2K10. What a disappointment. At least we have competition here to make a decision to go with one or the other.
September 30, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Well I just watched a vid at OS on HOF difficulty and the game still has the same issues even on HOF. Weak!
September 30, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Pasta, do you know if 2k will end up releasing a patch to fix the framerate problem in the My Player mode?
October 1, 2009 at 2:34 am
What a lot of people are forgetting is, why fix what's not broken? People are complaining about the gameplay and how similar it is to 2K9 but last year's edition was generally praised for it's gameplay aside from the sprint and lockdown defense which has been modified this year. Did anyone notice that Pasta made no mention of the association mode or much of the My Player. Now it's disappointing to hear with the framerate issues but here's hoping theres a patch for it's a very fixable thing.
October 1, 2009 at 9:58 am
i have played both demos a lot now to get a "feel" for the games..i used to only play 2k but last year owned both live and 2k,i thought 2k last year was a better" sim" of the game but had more "fun" playing live..i only wished live was more of a "sim" and 2k was more "fun" than i would of had my perfect game…well i have to say this year live has combined those two factors for me and i will only be buying one this year and although it may not be a perfect game (what is?) live 10 from the demo at least is the best basketball i have ever played… thanks for the memories 2k but i have a new love.
October 1, 2009 at 7:59 pm
I've played both demos. I thought Live was a nice game until I played the 2k10 demo.
I thought when 2k slowed the speed down it would hurt the game.
I was wrong. After playing Live and comparing the speed of the games 2k was right. .
Live does not play at a realistic tempo. It's a nice game but it's not the NBA.
2k just made the Live game feel cheesy. "Cartoonish".
Pasta does not know how to play 2k10.
It's mainly because he has no idea how to play basketball.
You really have to have some knowledge of Basketball to play 2k. Or be really good at it.
Live plays it's own brand of basketball. It always has.
It's like playing Madden. Most people online have no idea about the windows in the secondary you can throw to because all they know how to do on Madden is throw to the flat or a crossing route.
I can count the amount of people I have played on one hand who throw 5 passes a game further than 5 yards. I feel like everyone I play is Brady Quinn. I call them Mr Check Down. Flat or crossing route. They aren't playing real football. Madden allows players to create there own brand of football.
Adrian Peterson does not average 8 catches or more in the NFL. Most RB's don't. But in Madden you see it all the time.
In Live there playing on the hard wood in the Forum. I see Kobe Bryant. I see the basketball.
But they are not playing NBA basketball.
October 2, 2009 at 5:18 pm
I played Live this year and it was very very good. I haven't bought live in about 4 years, but I play it every year to see what it's like(Live used to be my game). This year has some speed to it but I don't think it's cartoon-ish unless you make it that way… but that's the same with 2k9. People find anything they can to abuse the faults in games and that's the one thing I don't like about playing my friends. I don't get the basket ball experience, it's just a layup and 3 point contest.
Madden. Maybe people know more about football than you think. Maybe they're tired of getting blitz after 2 seconds. I throw crossing routes and to the flats but what else can you do in 2 seconds?? I think it's very effective… If you dink and dunk enough they'll stop blitzing so recklessly and that opens up the running game and plays down field.
October 2, 2009 at 5:37 am
couldnt blame pasta if he did a big told ya so lol. now that so many other people are getting the game and saying the same things about it. appreciate you always speaking up even if people give you crap for it lol
October 2, 2009 at 12:49 pm
FUCK PASTA PADRE
October 6, 2009 at 10:22 am
For all of the people out there that say Live is better, let me tell you something. I buy both Live and 2K every year and end up playing 2k more. I want to love live but the game just doesnt feel simulation to me. It plays too fast, the dribbling is way too fast, the players run all over the court unrealistically and my biggest complaint is year in and year out there is no multiplayer dynasty. Its never even mentioned as a possible add to the game. 2K does everything great that Live does bad, look at the ign review for both games, everyone who says Live had better graphics will get a kick out of what they guy reviewing the game said. He said the players look plasticy too shiny and unrealistic. Another complaint I have is people saying that live has more dribble moves, this in untrue as anyone who plays 2k knows there are just as many dribble moves as live if not more, you just have to know how to do them. If you dont , go to youtube and look it up, there are guys out there that teach people how to play 2k to its full potential. On top of the dribbling, why would I want my shot button to be one button? I want total control over my player and letting the game dictate how I shoot isnt good with me, again 2K wins in this category as you have the right stick for shooting and YOU the player control how you shoot not some random preset animation that EA put in there for you. Sounds to me like Live is made for kids not real simularion style fans of the NBA, before you go knocking 2K, try it out well unless you like arcade style, non realistic gameplay, or if you like to go online and basically like to scrum it out with 9 other people fighting to shoot one basketball. Live may be getting better but its no where near 2k for sim stlye basketball. Do your homework 2k haters
October 6, 2009 at 4:12 pm
What framerate issues? I've been playing My Player for over a week now in 2K camera and not a single frame rate issue. Take Padre's comments with a grain of salt. They are always tilted towards favor for EA and against 2K.
October 6, 2009 at 6:56 pm
I only got to demo live on the PS3 and liked it… this will be the first time I'll be picking up live over 2K since 2006. 2K messe dup by not having up a demo on the PSN
October 7, 2009 at 1:58 am
The pick and roll is unstoppable and help defense is horrible. Dwight Howard dunks on two to three people at a time, the game is not imporved, the players (especially guards) are slower this year, the dribble moves are almost non existent compared to last year I think. The only thing I like about this game is that Kobe can not be stopped, which is realistic.
October 8, 2009 at 12:12 pm
For you guys out there that are saying what warrants 60 hard earned dollars, think about it this way. What is more important to you? Gameplay that you know 2k will bring, or improvements to a game lacking gameplay in Live. Yes live looks nicer, but the realism just isnt there quite yet. Most people are basing their judgments off of a demo are you crazy? That was bare bones and 2k will always have a much deeper game. The dynasty mode is always better for 2k, the gameplay it much better, IGN gave 2k a better rating than live and they had 5 guys review the game and give their choice of which two they recommend that fans of the NBA should buy. I guess the only way I would suggest people buy live is if they like arcade games made for kids under 10 years old. Also dont give me this crap about live having better dribble moves, and a better feel. 2K beats live in every way when it comes to gameplay and control over your player. What would you rather have? One button to control how your guy shoots so you have no control over the situation or would you rather have total control how a player shoots. I would rather be in control of how my player dribbles, shoots, plays defense, and runs the court. In live everything is a preset animation, you have no control and for players that like realism thats bad news. But go ahead waste your 60 dollars on a game that may have improved, Id rather spend my money on something I know Im going to like even if you think its just a facelift(which is not true). My money goes with 2K this year and every year.