#6 of 2009: NBA Live 10

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Posted December 23rd, 2009 at 8:03 pm

The ranking of games in the best of 2009 list is based primarily on the personal amount of enjoyment had with a particular title. Some other factors include whether advertised features were fully delivered on, post-release support, community interaction and communication, overall gameplay experience, feature set, and online play performance. Again this is a personal take on the games. The analysis is weighted largely towards those which I had the most fun with while considering them as a whole and compared relatively to the others.

This was a critical year for the NBA Live franchise to attempt to establish itself against the competition. In terms of quality NBA Live 10 was good enough that many took notice but in terms of sales it lost even more ground.The game excelled in some areas but also had some frustrating flaws that held it back from being one I could feel completely passionate about.

After playing the demo I actually stated in my impressions that I wasn’t sure if I liked Live 10 better than Live 09. That changed with the full version of the game but many of those gripes I had in the demo turned into annoyances that did affect my level of gameplay enjoyment.

Overall gameplay would feel sloppy at times because of a high number of turnovers. Just getting bumped down low meant losing control of the ball. It was nearly impossible to drive the lane and get a shot off without being drawn into a contact animation. These rarely resulted in fouls and usually ended up being missed, meanwhile the CPU tended to make those same shots. Attempting penetration basically felt like wasting a possession and that severely altered how I could play the game.

The new freestyle passing with the right stick felt great to use at times but I never felt as though I could rely on it. Same with the directional based passing which remains inconsistent. Those mistakes would result in additional turnovers but so would normal passes that felt safe only for the CPU steal or tip them away with my teammates not being aggressive in going for the ball.

I also found it really difficult to play one-on-one defense. There was no mechanic to really stabilize position so any movement in one direction resulted in giving the opposing player an opening. It made it difficult to play user defense since that player could just drive right by and as such made the tendency to switch and play off-ball.

Probably the other biggest issue for me outside of the general sloppy feel was the lack of fast breaks. Live 10 is an excellent half-court representation of the NBA but there were so few fast breaks for both the CPU and the user. Basically the reason as far as I saw it was even one player back on defense could just draw the ball handler into a contact animation and the shot would be missed. But even those type of opportunities were rare. Fast breaks were never really improved on with the patches.

Despite those things mentioned above the game also got many things right out of the box. Shot percentages and stat output were realistic. Live 10 rewards playing basketball the right way for the most part with running plays, setting screens, ball movement, and creating space being critical. Hustle plays were implemented well with players acting appropriately in the necessary situations. Basically this was the year it became a completely sim game. Still flawed in some areas sure but it was clear that was the intention going in.

Really there was one thing above all others that had me enjoying the game far more than I would have otherwise. The stadium atmosphere was represented better than any other sports game has been able to offer. The three levels (regular season, playoffs, and NBA Finals) are differentiated well and provide unique feels. I don’t think I realized just how much the atmosphere can mean to the overall experience until Live 10. It totally changed my perspective on what is most important to providing an emotional connection and experience in a sports game.

In addition to the crowd atmosphere was the addition of the player rituals, stadium specific sounds and a wide selection of uniform options. Vince Carter getting booed every time he touches the ball in Toronto is just awesome. Touches like those showed a dedication to replicate the NBA experience more so than Live has done in the past.

Dynamic Season was an interesting concept and a way to meet the desire of many to play along with the events of the current season. This was another way to utilize the excellent Synergy data that is downloaded on a daily basis. Issues at the start though with stats not syncing up and displaying properly and the daunting thought that I’d still be playing in mid-2010 just to complete the one season ultimately led me to drop it. I would be really curious to find out data on how many Dynamic Seasons are active especially into next year. At the very least the mode provides another avenue of longevity.

NBA Live continued to excel in online play with smooth and consistent performance in all the game modes. Adidas Live Run was the new spin-off from Online Team Play which added another unique mode to online.

On paper it made a lot of sense to offer pick-up style games. Everyone gets to control a skilled player and the gameplay was much more free-flowing with the removal of fouls. I did miss some of the atmosphere of the crowd though. The dominance of certain players (Yao Ming) and the flaw that allowed certain types of three point attempts to be nearly automatic were troublesome. It was also difficult to really coordinate to have everyone on for full teams at the same time. Still when playing the games it was largely a fun experience. Full thoughts on Live Run can be found here.

While EA was quick to provide a first patch that corrected some of the initial issues with the game it also caused one that resulted in goaltending scores not counting into the displayed scores. This was fixed by a second patch but was a black eye for the amount of time it was out there. There have also been questions as to the effectiveness of changes that were meant to curb exploits with certain types of three point shots. On the other end of the spectrum the two patches clearly took consumer feedback into consideration which was a positive development.

Despite the active work on the two patches the post-release support and communication has noticeably decreased. The Synergy data for ratings and manual roster updates have been lacking in consistency and made little sense. The sense from this along with the sales data and recent comments by EA regarding profitability of titles has led to Live being viewed as a possible cut down the line.

NBA Live 10 was a game that I enjoyed quite a bit due to the slant towards sim gameplay, solid online play, and especially the unbelievable atmosphere of the games. NBA Live 11 may very well be the make-or-break year for the series. If it doesn’t see a surge in sales its future will be in serious doubt.

#6: NBA Live 10
#7: Madden Arcade
#8: NCAA Football 10
#9: NBA 2K10
#10: Fight Night Round 4
The Worst of 2009

  • CLEfan

    They pay him surely and give him blow jobs on the side. NBA is a slap in the face to the game of basketball. This game has NO DEFENSE involved, and represents the NBA terribly. They say you win championships with defense, and Im sorry but this is not the champion of the basketball sim games. EA, get some friggin defense in your game, untill then i will continue to play 2k, and not even give live a chance. Ive played this at my friends, and he literally takes the dumbest shots and they happen to go in, there is no logic displayed in this game, you can shoot from anywhere within a 30ft radius of the hoop and it will most likely go in, no matter how good you guard the guy. Its as if its all based on percentages.

    Mo Williams might miss 2 jumpshots, but since his shooting ratings are good, he can come down the court and just launch and make the next 3 no matter how well guared, it makes no sense. Atleast if your going to make a shot with a guy all over you, it should be in a fluid motion after a nice dribble move or something! This is what 2k does well, and you can actually play defense. One thing i will say about 2k tho is the alley oops look rediculous and the CPU does them way too much. EA get a clue your product sucks DI*K

  • CLEfan

    They pay him surely and give him blow jobs on the side. NBA is a slap in the face to the game of basketball. This game has NO DEFENSE involved, and represents the NBA terribly. They say you win championships with defense, and Im sorry but this is not the champion of the basketball sim games. EA, get some friggin defense in your game, untill then i will continue to play 2k, and not even give live a chance. Ive played this at my friends, and he literally takes the dumbest shots and they happen to go in, there is no logic displayed in this game, you can shoot from anywhere within a 30ft radius of the hoop and it will most likely go in, no matter how good you guard the guy. Its as if its all based on percentages.

    Mo Williams might miss 2 jumpshots, but since his shooting ratings are good, he can come down the court and just launch and make the next 3 no matter how well guared, it makes no sense. Atleast if your going to make a shot with a guy all over you, it should be in a fluid motion after a nice dribble move or something! This is what 2k does well, and you can actually play defense. One thing i will say about 2k tho is the alley oops look rediculous and the CPU does them way too much. EA get a clue your product sucks DI*K

  • CLEfan

    They pay him surely and give him blow jobs on the side. NBA is a slap in the face to the game of basketball. This game has NO DEFENSE involved, and represents the NBA terribly. They say you win championships with defense, and Im sorry but this is not the champion of the basketball sim games. EA, get some friggin defense in your game, untill then i will continue to play 2k, and not even give live a chance. Ive played this at my friends, and he literally takes the dumbest shots and they happen to go in, there is no logic displayed in this game, you can shoot from anywhere within a 30ft radius of the hoop and it will most likely go in, no matter how good you guard the guy. Its as if its all based on percentages.

    Mo Williams might miss 2 jumpshots, but since his shooting ratings are good, he can come down the court and just launch and make the next 3 no matter how well guared, it makes no sense. Atleast if your going to make a shot with a guy all over you, it should be in a fluid motion after a nice dribble move or something! This is what 2k does well, and you can actually play defense. One thing i will say about 2k tho is the alley oops look rediculous and the CPU does them way too much. EA get a clue your product sucks DI*K

  • CLEfan

    Although i do believe Live will continue to progress and get better, because Mike Wang is with EA now, but this will not be close to 2k untill probably the 2012 or 2013 season. There are improvements in the game, but it is still just terrible. There is no way, and i mean NO WAY! this can be rated higher than 2k i dont care how bad the online is for 2k or if some shit doesnt work, atleast the offline play is an accurate simulation. Live is a disgrace. If i were an NBA player and played Live, i would be like, "what are we retarded or something, we dont know how to play defense?"

    Altough i think pasta is paid by EA, and he probably is, I still enjoy coming to your site because you do a good job of covering the sport gaming news. One thing I ask you is I hope you dont try and ruin the sales of Backbreaker, because Michael Moore is paying you inorder to keep a game like madden alive, which every year improves a little just to make sale pitches to us consumers, when it can be on the level that Backbreaker is going to be. Because i damn well know EA has the money and technology to do so.

  • CLEfan

    Although i do believe Live will continue to progress and get better, because Mike Wang is with EA now, but this will not be close to 2k untill probably the 2012 or 2013 season. There are improvements in the game, but it is still just terrible. There is no way, and i mean NO WAY! this can be rated higher than 2k i dont care how bad the online is for 2k or if some shit doesnt work, atleast the offline play is an accurate simulation. Live is a disgrace. If i were an NBA player and played Live, i would be like, "what are we retarded or something, we dont know how to play defense?"

    Altough i think pasta is paid by EA, and he probably is, I still enjoy coming to your site because you do a good job of covering the sport gaming news. One thing I ask you is I hope you dont try and ruin the sales of Backbreaker, because Michael Moore is paying you inorder to keep a game like madden alive, which every year improves a little just to make sale pitches to us consumers, when it can be on the level that Backbreaker is going to be. Because i damn well know EA has the money and technology to do so.

  • CLEfan

    Although i do believe Live will continue to progress and get better, because Mike Wang is with EA now, but this will not be close to 2k untill probably the 2012 or 2013 season. There are improvements in the game, but it is still just terrible. There is no way, and i mean NO WAY! this can be rated higher than 2k i dont care how bad the online is for 2k or if some shit doesnt work, atleast the offline play is an accurate simulation. Live is a disgrace. If i were an NBA player and played Live, i would be like, "what are we retarded or something, we dont know how to play defense?"

    Altough i think pasta is paid by EA, and he probably is, I still enjoy coming to your site because you do a good job of covering the sport gaming news. One thing I ask you is I hope you dont try and ruin the sales of Backbreaker, because Michael Moore is paying you inorder to keep a game like madden alive, which every year improves a little just to make sale pitches to us consumers, when it can be on the level that Backbreaker is going to be. Because i damn well know EA has the money and technology to do so.

  • CLEfan

    ONe last thing is how pasta raves about the "crowd atmosphere" sorry but 2k has had that shit in its game for the past friggin 3 yrs. That should knock the game down since it is only its first year in the game. With the technology these days that should be a given. Along with the Plastic looking players, and the way defense is represented this game blows. Online play might work but the game sucks, so when the game sucks you cant enjoy the online play. Id rather have an accurate sim basketball game that doesnt work online, then a shit representation that does work. Idk thats just my opinion and im sure many other ppl have the same.

  • CLEfan

    ONe last thing is how pasta raves about the "crowd atmosphere" sorry but 2k has had that shit in its game for the past friggin 3 yrs. That should knock the game down since it is only its first year in the game. With the technology these days that should be a given. Along with the Plastic looking players, and the way defense is represented this game blows. Online play might work but the game sucks, so when the game sucks you cant enjoy the online play. Id rather have an accurate sim basketball game that doesnt work online, then a shit representation that does work. Idk thats just my opinion and im sure many other ppl have the same.

  • CLEfan

    ONe last thing is how pasta raves about the "crowd atmosphere" sorry but 2k has had that shit in its game for the past friggin 3 yrs. That should knock the game down since it is only its first year in the game. With the technology these days that should be a given. Along with the Plastic looking players, and the way defense is represented this game blows. Online play might work but the game sucks, so when the game sucks you cant enjoy the online play. Id rather have an accurate sim basketball game that doesnt work online, then a shit representation that does work. Idk thats just my opinion and im sure many other ppl have the same.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

    Why Pasta why every year you rank this game soo high and it sells soo low, Live 10 sucks, I gave it a try and didnt like it at all, Ill give it kudos on dna 365 and thats about it, they seem to focus more on headbands and shoes than actual player models, just look at poor O.J. Mayo, looks like something out of DC comic book. While 2k10 has its fair share of problems. live wont sell again next year and they year after that, and poor Mike Wang will be wondering why did he make a move from first to worst.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/okafor43 okafor43

    Why Pasta why every year you rank this game soo high and it sells soo low, Live 10 sucks, I gave it a try and didnt like it at all, Ill give it kudos on dna 365 and thats about it, they seem to focus more on headbands and shoes than actual player models, just look at poor O.J. Mayo, looks like something out of DC comic book. While 2k10 has its fair share of problems. live wont sell again next year and they year after that, and poor Mike Wang will be wondering why did he make a move from first to worst.

  • jusmegamer

    Live has better online play other than that 2K dominates. 2K totally dominates with more realistic graphics and gameplay. 2K is a great game. Pasta should be ashamed, what a joke you are Pasta

  • jusmegamer

    Live has better online play other than that 2K dominates. 2K totally dominates with more realistic graphics and gameplay. 2K is a great game. Pasta should be ashamed, what a joke you are Pasta

  • jusmegamer

    Live has better online play other than that 2K dominates. 2K totally dominates with more realistic graphics and gameplay. 2K is a great game. Pasta should be ashamed, what a joke you are Pasta

  • rell

    Live is a good game, i prefer 2k over it becus 2k actually lets me play defense…..(altho its starting 2 slip away from that) but live is better then i thought it would be, my only problem is when i played my dynasty mode the comp made some of the dumbest trades ever…..Kobe for VC? Dwight for Amare? seriously? lmao and andrew bynum hit a fadeaway 3pter BULLSH**. Also there lack of a defense stance button is trash! holding R1 i think? just 2 follow ur man around is terrible and i hate the free throw its next gen lets get away from the meter bar thing thats current gen and thats where it should stay at

  • rell

    Live is a good game, i prefer 2k over it becus 2k actually lets me play defense…..(altho its starting 2 slip away from that) but live is better then i thought it would be, my only problem is when i played my dynasty mode the comp made some of the dumbest trades ever…..Kobe for VC? Dwight for Amare? seriously? lmao and andrew bynum hit a fadeaway 3pter BULLSH**. Also there lack of a defense stance button is trash! holding R1 i think? just 2 follow ur man around is terrible and i hate the free throw its next gen lets get away from the meter bar thing thats current gen and thats where it should stay at

  • rell

    Live is a good game, i prefer 2k over it becus 2k actually lets me play defense…..(altho its starting 2 slip away from that) but live is better then i thought it would be, my only problem is when i played my dynasty mode the comp made some of the dumbest trades ever…..Kobe for VC? Dwight for Amare? seriously? lmao and andrew bynum hit a fadeaway 3pter BULLSH**. Also there lack of a defense stance button is trash! holding R1 i think? just 2 follow ur man around is terrible and i hate the free throw its next gen lets get away from the meter bar thing thats current gen and thats where it should stay at

  • idontcarewhatyousay

    you guys are funny…..come on man you will neva see a real baller play nba jam oops i mean nba live over 2k any year…..unless he wants to dribble with shaq and throw a three point shot with yao ming wich will neva happen in 2k but seen it happen 2million times on live……i dont know about fun but the most realistic basketball game is made by 2k hands down…

  • idontcarewhatyousay

    you guys are funny…..come on man you will neva see a real baller play nba jam oops i mean nba live over 2k any year…..unless he wants to dribble with shaq and throw a three point shot with yao ming wich will neva happen in 2k but seen it happen 2million times on live……i dont know about fun but the most realistic basketball game is made by 2k hands down…

  • idontcarewhatyousay

    you guys are funny…..come on man you will neva see a real baller play nba jam oops i mean nba live over 2k any year…..unless he wants to dribble with shaq and throw a three point shot with yao ming wich will neva happen in 2k but seen it happen 2million times on live……i dont know about fun but the most realistic basketball game is made by 2k hands down…

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/kgingreen kgingreen

    all of you guys riding ea's jock here and over at OS just to get paid are laughable. It's sad really. This game is garbage and EA lied.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/kgingreen kgingreen

    all of you guys riding ea's jock here and over at OS just to get paid are laughable. It's sad really. This game is garbage and EA lied.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/kgingreen kgingreen

    all of you guys riding ea's jock here and over at OS just to get paid are laughable. It's sad really. This game is garbage and EA lied.

  • smokez4dayz

    Live doesnt even play a good game of basketball, and you detail it in your own words. It doesnt play right. doesnt feel like the real thing. Yet you claim you had the most fun with it? I doesnt pass well, doesnt let you successfully drive the lane, and you claim that the arena atmosphere was enough to keep you playing a broken coded game? lol. lmao. Furthermore, a broken coded game, that looked cartoonish, with bad animation was fun to you? Lets hope you have illiterate or young visitors to your site. any one with half a brain can see that you are missing more than half of yours

  • smokez4dayz

    So the only game my 2k dudes focused on was 2k10bb and 2k9baseball. And their two products were the worst products compared to all the shovelware you have listed from EA. Baseball Manager isn't even a game and you tried to rate it. You must amuse yourself at the backward rhetoric you produce. How do you look yourself in the mirror, knowing you are an asshole

  • smokez4dayz

    Live doesnt even play a good game of basketball, and you detail it in your own words. It doesnt play right. doesnt feel like the real thing. Yet you claim you had the most fun with it? I doesnt pass well, doesnt let you successfully drive the lane, and you claim that the arena atmosphere was enough to keep you playing a broken coded game? lol. lmao. Furthermore, a broken coded game, that looked cartoonish, with bad animation was fun to you? Lets hope you have illiterate or young visitors to your site. any one with half a brain can see that you are missing more than half of yours

  • smokez4dayz

    So the only game my 2k dudes focused on was 2k10bb and 2k9baseball. And their two products were the worst products compared to all the shovelware you have listed from EA. Baseball Manager isn't even a game and you tried to rate it. You must amuse yourself at the backward rhetoric you produce. How do you look yourself in the mirror, knowing you are an asshole

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