MLB 10: The Show Online Impressions

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Posted March 12th, 2010 at 12:30 pm

The MLB: The Show franchise has produced what has been widely regarded to be some of the best sports titles over the past few years but one major deficiency has held the series back. The online play options and performance has always been terrible, or at the very least disappointing, especially compared to how other games have advanced in the area. After spending some time online with MLB 10: The Show and reading a large number of accounts from others it can be determined that overall the performance has improved this year, though not nearly to the extent that was necessary and with a new crop of problems to deal with.

At the team select screen there is the handy connection assessment. I’ve made sure to only enter games with a “great connection” but oftentimes that will not hold up through the course of a full game or necessarily even correspond the experience being had. Still, I wanted to make sure I’d go into each game with the best chance of producing a good experience.

Performance wise I’ve had some consistently solid games. While lag is has not affected them for the most part that doesn’t mean they have been perfect. What is especially difficult is reading low pitches. The ball skips on the way to the plate, in a jumpy fashion where it disappears and reappears. This makes a low pitch in the zone nearly indistinguishable from a pitch in the dirt. There are also times where the ball is hit but you didn’t see the bat swing, which happens far less than last year but creeps in there occasionally and makes it tough to get a read on where it is going to initially react as a fielder.

Despite those things the games that are stable are much more responsive than last year. Pitching and hitting appear to be pretty balanced, outside of the issue with low pitch visibility. So it isn’t as much a guessing game where lucky swings resulting in home runs is the only way to score. I’ve strung together hits much more frequently than was possible last year.

I have to mention though that there have been some laggy games which I have backed out of. Many people out there have gone through really laggy experiences that make the games practically unplayable. It does not seem to be happening at the same rate as it has in the past however. Still there is that inconsistency which makes online play for The Show unnerving. Is it going to get really laggy? Is it going to disconnect? Is it going to freeze? Having a constant worry about those things makes it hard to relax and just enjoy the time spent playing.

Even with constant pleading to make a change the “Guess Pitch” feature remains active for ranked games. What this means is most people just sit on fastball every pitch. Not only does that mean that the user who is pitching completely loses any control over the pitch, and that is a completely helpless and frustrating feeling, but it pretty much forces people to either avoid throwing fastballs or only throw them outside the zone. I played one game where neither of us were using “Guess Pitch” and it was remarkable how much more fun it was than the others.

What had been available previously were “Guess Pitch Off” lobby rooms. This still was not as ideal as just removing the feature from all ranked games, but at least the option was there to find people who wanted to play the same way at a given time. For some reason they have been removed this year, instead a bunch of general or rookie rooms are available. Oh yeah, yet there are rooms specifically for people who like “Guess Pitch”, but none for those who don’t want to use it. Not sure why those are necessary given the default settings yet they removed a room that many preferred to use.

Another thing that people have asked for that hasn’t been fixed is an opponent quick-pitching. After getting set an opponent can go right to the plate with the pitch. This means they can prevent baserunners from taking leads or attempting to get a jump for a stolen base. It can also catch the batter off-guard if they are attempting to set that up or aren’t even ready for the pitch.

The pitch meter stays on screen even when at the plate. This is distracting and should be removed. What ends up happening as a hitter is the tendency to watch the meter instead of concentrating on the ball coming out of the pitcher’s hand.

Last year I was told that variable camera views just missed the cut for MLB 09 as they couldn’t get the sync right and ran out of time. Somehow another year has gone by and it still hasn’t been provided. I really prefer to pitch from a behind the pitcher view and was disappointed that the option wasn’t in. I’m not sure why The Show keeps the catcher view as the default, but at least offline you can change it.

Options wise the jerseys, stadiums, and day/night are all selectable. Unlike last year the graphics are not dumbed down in an attempt to improve performance, at least not noticeably so. The game still looks great during online games.

SCEA has removed the rating of opponents after the games, which is a welcome change. Too many times people rated others poorly out of spite, because they lost, and not because the opponent did anything wrong. Instead now there are general statements to use that can help build up an online reputation instead of the star ratings.

Last year check swings were not possible in online games. This year they can happen but they can’t be relied upon. Basically anything close to a swing and its too late to change your mind, you really have to barely press and let off the button immediately to have a chance at it. It definitely is not the same level of responsiveness found offline.

I’ve also been bothered by a complete randomness in where pitches end up. I’m aware that this has been a problem found offline as well, but it feels to me as though it is magnified online. I have hit patches where my pitch location does not end up anywhere near where it was targeted even when hitting the meter perfectly. I’m not describing just small variances, which are expected, but examples like aiming a fastball inside and off the plate, nailing it on the meter, and having it end up outside off the plate by two feet. In the end I just end up feeling like I’m throwing and just hoping it somehow results in an out instead of pitching. Based on responses on Twitter I’m definitely not the only person who has seen pitch accuracy become completely random.

The online leagues are back with some improvements, though it is tough to assess the mode this early on with limited feedback. Soon after release of the game I attempted to create a league and was met with a 14 day restriction, which was ridiculous and insulting to have a feature they were not going to let people use. Thankfully it appears they have removed that restriction as I since have been able to form one. There are a ton of options in setting up the leagues which is really good at least from that standpoint. Finally this year owners can be replaced, however they still have not added the ability to reset a game’s results.

Most of the presentational elements are removed to quicken the pace of the online games and reduce the chance of desyncs. So I have to ask, when there are replays, why are they in super slo-mo? No one sits though them so they all just get skipped. Totally goes against the general idea of speeding things along. There are times I’m wanting to watch the replay but there is no way I’m going to painfully sit there for 45 seconds to do so.

Though it is more of a console issue, the disconnect between the PS3 friends list and the “Buddy List” in The Show is irritating. You have to add any friends from within the game to a separate list. I wonder how Sony hasn’t found a way, especially in their own game, to better do this and eliminate that hassle.

The SportsConnect Website, which hosted things such as leagues and box scores of online games, is not up this year. I used to like checking on my personal online stats and results there or tracking the games that were currently being played. There appears to be absolutely no web presence for the game which is disappointing.

In the lobby rooms you can choose to watch a tracker version of the ongoing games which includes commentary with “SportsCast Live”. This is not a new feature but is a unique one and if you have a friend playing or want to follow along with an online game being played it is a neat thing to check out. I believe the only way to view/listen to the games is in the lobby rooms, that you can’t do it from the friends list anymore.

Probably the biggest online flaw is that intentional walks are, in many cases, resulting in consoles freezing. This is now a tactic being used by some to get out of losses. Unfortunately this issue is going to require a patch, meaning the fix is well over a month away. In addition there are a couple stadiums that are basically unplayable due to freezes. The one that has seen the most problems is Tropicana Field.

There are reports of other problems such as games not being recorded or consoles freezing following a game while loading back into the online menu/lobbies. I have not experienced these things myself (0utside of a couple games that never showed up because the server had gone down). However as much as these instances are being cited a solution needs to be found for both.

Overall I’ve had some really fun games online. When it is running well The Show is very fun, strategic, and rewarding online. However inconsistent performance, freezing issues, lack of options and innovation, and puzzling design decisions continue to make online play a weakness of the series.

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  • sroeland

    Tropicana Field freezes offline as well…there are more “workarounds” to prevent it from happening, but all parts of this game are make it become MLB 10: The Workaround.

  • sweett310

    I've played 2 games online, both times my system froze as I went back to the lobby. The stats and games registered, but still frustrating.

    Actual gameplay wasn't bad and struck out a lot less than in 09.

  • oasis

    who else remembers the infamous “traffic delay”?

    scea hasnt gotten online right in what 6 or 7 years. that leads me to believe they just dont give a shit. finally though its starting to hurt them in reviews so they will have to improve it.

  • http://pastapadre.com/ pastapadre

    Yeah well you can utilize a workaround offline and at least protect yourself that way. But online, if your opponent has no idea about it (and most won't) that is pretty serious.

  • dfoz3

    The pitch reading issue sounds terribly frustrating.

    I haven't really played baseball games since RBI Baseball on the NES (still my gold standard! haha) until picking this up.

    With that disclaimer out of the way I am having a terrible time reading pitches in road to the show. I tend to swing at everything and I think my batting average is like .052. :(

  • Amen Ra

    Well sooner or later T.Daley will be here to defend the game. Regardless, this title has disappointed me this year…

  • edude

    I agree w/ Pasta here.
    So much potential, then these bugs and little things deter from the experience.

    My biggest gripe is the lag in the middle of pitching/hitting. You'll miss your meter because it jumps around, and batting wise, your timing is all thrown off. Terribly frustrating.

    But I guess there's always next year (or a patch).

  • JB

    What baffles me is I must have played over a 100 NHL 10 hockey games with 4-6 users and maybe had 2-3 discoonnects and rarely any games that were laggy. Baseball just has two participants and it is a train wreck. I'll gave the Show a pass last year and was really opptimistic for this year when they said fixing online was going to be a priority, but the results are subpar. I am really dissapointed that they could not get this right.

  • t. daley

    Fair assessment Pasta. I will say, that I too have experienced some anomolies in the pitch location in offline play. Its nothing consistant but occasionally I have targeted balls to the upper left corner of the zone and hit the meter perfectly just to have the ball hit the opposite upper corner. I also feel that this year not hitting that meter perfectly is a bit more penalizing which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

    PASTA: In offline play have you noticed anything strange about the bullpen and closing pitchers. I play with the METS and it seems to me that every time I bring in K-rod to close out the game in the ninth the opposing team all of a sudden become hitting machines.

    I am beginning to think there is some sort of randomness to how your pitchers will perform. I can pitch Santana to 7 scorless innings in one outing and then play another game and he gets rocked in the 1st inning. If that is the case that adds a whole new dimension to the strategy of this game. You have to know when to pull the plug on a pitcher even if its in the first inning. That happened to me with Mike Pelfrey. I got touched up for 10 runs in the first inning. Every pitch the cpu was hitting in the holes. Very frustrating but I shouldn't have let him go that long before yanking him.

  • t. daley

    Thank you for the intro Amen. You see you know nothing. I already told you that i only speak the truth and the truth is that Sony has still yet to give us the online play we want. Better isn't good enough but having said that i play the game for the offline experience more than the online. I know going in that the online experience will be marginal at best. So I don't need to cry like a little bitch like you guys do. If it mattered to me i wouldn't have bought the game in the first place. You see, unlike you, I have the ability to not purchase a game. I play casually. I only need the single game experience and that works perfectly.

    I am way to busy to get into all the other modes so if they fix them or not i wont be playing them. I owned every MLB the show game and to date have yet to even try franchise mode or RTTS and my online games probably total less than 30 for the entire series. Again if the online, Franchise, or RTTS modes are deal breakers for you then take the game back and STFU. Complaining on here about it isn't going to solve your problem now is it?

  • t. daley

    Lets face it. Every online game has some form of lag and in most games its not that noticeable but in baseball where timing and precision are paramount, even a small spike of lag here and there is enough to ruin a game. The Show uses a pitching meter and spikes of lag reek havok on this meter. This was why MLB08 the show was unplayable online. The lag was so bad that it became impossible to pitch. 2k has this same exact problem with its pitching style. I am beginning to think that the game of baseball is just too hard to do online. You cant ever get rid of lag completely and with various factors affecting Ping/Lag, it will never be right.

  • edude

    Yep – true, true, true.
    I think what makes The Show's shortfalls so annoying is that the core of the game is so great.
    Just let us play damnit!

  • t. daley

    http://www.vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=All&g…

    I am simply stunned that over 20000 people actually bought MLB2k10 for the PS3. That is really disturbing. I wonder how many of those bought both games? However, HOW BOUT DEM 360 SALES FIGURES……ROTFLMAO. Roughly 55000 360 sales. WOW! 2k's reputation has certainly taken a hit over the past 2 years hasn't it? I am thinking with sales numbers like these, I am thinking there wont be a 2k11 and THAT would be a GREAT THING. 2k are bunch of crooks.

  • t. daley

    Once you enter the link just click on the compare games tab to bring up the Sales comparison chart. MLB10: the show has sold substanially more copies than MLB2k has on both the PS3 and 360 combined. Considering how many 360's there are on the streets as compared to 360 i would have to say that 2k must be crapping in their pants.

    PASTA: Fire up that tabloid machine. Your next thread will be “2K TO CANCEL MLB2K11″ OR “2K TO RELEASE MLB2K11 FOR THE Wii ONLY.” –ROTFLMAO.

  • t. daley

    <CORRECTION> 360's on the street when compared to PS3's……..Sorry.

  • TKON

    i knew better then to believe they were going to make online play good. ive had a worse time with it then you pasta. a bunch of times my ps3 has froze and ive had lag filled games. totally agree that the lack of options is ridiculous for a game in 2010

  • sroeland

    I'm just saying…a need to workaround this many issues is really a joke. Online, offline – it doesn't matter. What happened between 09 and 10 over at SECA/San Diego Studios?

  • wtf

    Both Franchise Mode and Online is broke.

    This game is a joke.

  • monessenite

    You can play ranked games with the Guess Pitch OFF. I do it all the time, as that is the only way I play this game.

  • SDwinder

    High Heat Baseball for the PC back in the early 2000s played a great game of online baseball. Between good players it was like a chess match, because there was no lag and the game played butter smooth. I hope we get that kind of online baseball experience again one day. Graphics were never outstanding in High Heat, but it played the best game of baseball back then.

    You would think with all the great online FPS games that run smooth, the baseball games would not have a problem. Must be a design issue, because the resources should be there.

  • Bl4ziNBuLLd0G

    Dang Daley, i didn't think anyone else noticed, but it DOES seem like when i bring in the bullpen late in the game after pitching 7-8 scoreless or one/two run games with my starter, the hitters LIGHT UP Billy Wagner or any other reliever i bring in actually. I can't keep the starter in either cuz he's already pitched 100-120 pitches so i am stuck in this predicament. I'll see how it continues to play out, at first i thought it was me and that the relief pitcher's release is different than the starting pitcher's release because everyone is different because it does take me a few pitches from the starter to get in a groove with his release. But now that someone else has noticed it too idk….. I still think this is the best baseball game i have ever played (and yes i played MVP on PS2 and i played 2k on Gamecube/X360 for 4 years).

  • SDwinder

    What if the pitching meter was done away with online and users played only with classic pitching. I never believed Guess Pitch was even necessary, except for manage only-sim games. Guess Pitch is done in your mind and executed at the Plate. No other artificial bonus is needed.

    Also, auto fielding but manual throw would be a good thing to do also online. I play that way offline and it works great. AI players field according to their rating and then the user tells them what to do with the ball. Maybe this would help lag too.

  • fun

    This game looks terrible!

  • Amen Ra

    Man it's official. MLB The Show 10 Was a bust!!!!

  • Amen Ra

    layoffs

  • SDwinder

    Not if you are playing offline games between the lines. Then it is the best playing baseball game yet. With all the various gameplay,graphical tweaks, and new cameras, gameplay is outstanding and much improved over 09. I am having great games with lots of variety. Don't let all the various posts about bugs get in the way of experiencing the best playing baseball game yet. I have faith that Sony SD will de-bug this game, just like they did with 09.

  • 2k rocks

    on MLB 2k10 they took away the fans singing take me out to the ballgame during 7th inning stretch

  • redrza

    Still can't believe 3 games releases into the PS3's lifecycle, from an SCEA developer who ONLY worked with sony hardware, are STILL having this may problems with the online side of the things. How can there be countless other games playing virtually lag free, with uptom 256 ppl on screen at once, yet they seem to not be able to get baseball right!

    Iag/traffic delays still, online leagues being completely broken. This game freezes up my PS3 more than i care to mention. Thus game is BUGGY and i really wish Sony Sa diego would reach out to zipper or insomniac on how to do online right! Its a shame because this game is so good!

  • 2k rocks

    on MLB 2k10 they took away the fans singing take me out to the ballgame during 7th inning stretch

  • redrza

    Still can't believe 3 games releases into the PS3's lifecycle, from an SCEA developer who ONLY worked with sony hardware, are STILL having this may problems with the online side of the things. How can there be countless other games playing virtually lag free, with uptom 256 ppl on screen at once, yet they seem to not be able to get baseball right!

    Iag/traffic delays still, online leagues being completely broken. This game freezes up my PS3 more than i care to mention. Thus game is BUGGY and i really wish Sony Sa diego would reach out to zipper or insomniac on how to do online right! Its a shame because this game is so good!

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  • gilbert5040

    The constant freezing and wins/losses not being recorded is becoming a MAJOR flaw to this great game. I havent experienced any int walks that made the game freeze but i've had 2 games registered as LOSSES when i actually WON both games. This issue needs to be address immediately as it makes NO SENSE TO PLAY GAMES ONLINE IF THEIR ARE NUMEROUS FLAWS. This again needs to be fixed asap

  • gilbert5040

    WINS/LOSSES still not being recorded.

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  • tc

    can you play online with MLB 10 on PS 2, if so how?tc

  • over the show

    i am officially over the show…..the show 06 07 08 09 10 are all the same( graphics obviously different) but even still the player models havent changed and the game for the most part is just as boring as it always was. i took my copy back and exchanged for mlb 2k10 and believe it or not i still have it and play it faithfully. sony needs to revamp and not just update . why is matt vasgersian or whatever still the announcer? he is boring in real life why choose him to broadcast in a game???? anyway im over it all, hello 2k even though this game doesnt look as good its a hell of alot more fun to play

  • bullshit

    the online for this game is bullshit. and its basically false advertising. DO NOT buy this game if you intend to play online. it will not work as it should. it is such a terrible experience i stay away from the online all together. online pc games rock. but these Ps3 network games bite the big one. i will never buy another SONY product after this. im done.

  • LFJN

    this only happens to me when i'm winning, my game either freezes or i lose connection, or the lags so much that when i want a pitch low and away it ends up putting it down the middle of the plate and my opponent hits a homerun. happens to me everytime so far.

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