NBA Live 13 Goes Away From Stretched Out Ratings Introduced Three Years Ago

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Posted July 3rd, 2012 at 11:15 am

The overall ratings from NBA Live 13 that EA Sports provided for the rookies drafted in the first round won’t tell you much about the player’s skill levels or effectiveness in the upcoming game. They’re essentially empty numbers with no context and varying by only a few points here and there between most of the picks made their reveals fairly uninteresting.

What is evident however from those overall ratings is that the new development team is reverting to a more traditional ratings scale as opposed to the one that rolled out with NBA Live 10 and was found to be quite effective in producing realistic results. The ratings in Live 10 were stretched out in a fashion that differentiated skills better than in the past. 

The spread between overall ratings in NBA Live 10 and NBA Live 13 is very significant. The average rating of a first rounder in the former was 66.8 and the latter 71.8 – so Live 13 is rating players an average of 5 points higher. Live 10 had only 6 first rounders rated 70 or above while Live 13 has an astounding 22.

Of course ratings will only be reflective of design – there is no assurance to be made that more spread out ratings equals a better playing game. It’s possible that the more traditional (that is more forgiving to players) ratings scale can work just as well as long as there are elements like tendencies properly represented. Some of that was present due to the Synergy data being tunneled into the series beginning with NBA Live 09. The relationship with Synergy continues for Live 13 so the dynamic nature of ratings will be a factor. That won’t change however that players are simply being rated higher across the board with Live 13 and that presents increased challenge in differentiating the tiers of players and their skill levels.

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  • kushmir

    another reason to leave this game on the shelf. donny moore is doing the ratings so they’ll be 50 99′s #nothanks

  • Keith.

    In other EA news, the company’s president says that NPD reports are “an irrelevant measure of the industry,” and that EA “mostly ignores” NPD.

    I guess that’s EA’s way of belittling the fact that so many of EA’s games have not been showing up on NPD’s monthly sales reports.

    Thought this was interesting, since Pasta’s always very quick to criticize vgchartz’ sales numbers in favor of NPD’s. Since EA seems to think NPD’s sales numbers are garbage, where does that leave us?

    http://www.joystiq.com/2012/07/02/gibeau-says-ea-mostly-ignores-npd-reports-npd-knows-for-a-fact/

    • Amen_Ra

      EA doesn’t care about game sales from NPD because all their new money is coming from microtransactions and DLC, which don’t show up on NPD.

      • Crimson

        You can’t make much money on microtransactions on games that aren’t selling well. They know they are up shit’s creek without a paddle. Most people would rather use “Steam” over “Origin”, they aren’t doing well with their current console game franchises, their stock price is dropping daily, and they are just trying to deflect the critics. They are liable to say anything at this point.

        I can’t wait until NCAA13 and Madden NFL13 drop. Gonna be interesting to see how well NCAA13 does. They need a boost badly right now.

        • Keith.

          Agreed. In fact, I think EA’s love of paid-DLC is even costing them on the game sales front. More than a few people said they were passing on TW13 because they were disgusted with having to buy the same DLC courses every year. The end result? TW13 has been MIA in the weekly Top 100 sales chart just about every week for the past 3 months.

          • Crimson

            That’s what I find hardest to accept. In my opinion, golf is a kind of a niche sport for videogames, so the people that are buying it aren’t your regular variety of sports gamers. They could have easily added those courses to the game or “unlock them” from the start, but these greedy shitheads continue the trend of disrespecting their returning customer base. Not to mention, that they also screwed up the whole Kinect implementation on the 360 version of the game. They knew they had zero competition for golf, and in regular EA fashion, they greedily decided to fuck over their returning customer with DLC schemes for courses that could have easily been included on the disc at the asking price. They deserve to fail.

          • Crimson

            That’s what I find hardest to accept. In my opinion, golf is a kind of a
            niche sport for videogames, so the people that are buying it aren’t
            your regular variety of sports gamers. They could have easily added
            those courses to the game or “unlock them” from the start, but these
            greedy shitheads continue the trend of disrespecting their returning
            customer base. Not to mention, that they also screwed up the whole
            Kinect implementation on the 360 version of the game. They knew they had
            zero competition for golf, and in regular EA fashion, they greedily
            decided to fuck over their returning customer with DLC schemes for
            courses that could have easily been included on the disc at the asking
            price. They deserve to fail.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/PRNYYXZW5CPECODQZM2VGFZKI4 Jwaan

      Damn bro, you’re still pitching that stock BS?

      • Keith.

        Yep, and I plan to continue until Ricotello gets the boot (which shouldn’t be long now).

    • Crimson

      Its no different than their response to being voted worst company. This company needs to lose a lot money money before they even begin to acknowledge their poor relationship with their customer. Their arrogance from the top, all the way down is astounding. If they aren’t willing to acknowledge their mistakes now, they will definitely acknowledge them when they try to to a “digital release only” business model. They are gonna lose their shirts, the fucking bastards.

  • jwallace0317

    This post smacks of the “need to come up with something else to post about” concept. Much more suitable for the Line Drive.

  • CSaintSwag

    nba live will go HAM

    • 2kiscool

      im buying both games looking forward to NBA Live

    • SheltonD78

      You a Dumb Muthafucka if u think that

  • BAN EA

    I’m leaving all EA games on the shelf. Just bought an original Xbox with NFL 2K5 and Madden 2004. All for 65$, SUCK IT EA!

    • Crimson

      Original Xbox for $65? The price is higher than $199 on Ebay right now. I can’t for the life of me, imagine why. Nostalgia maybe??? Its not like there were that many original first party games to play on it. I’d say it was worth about $65 as soon as Microsoft stopped supporting it…which didn’t take very long. A current gen PS2 sku would have been a better value with all the great games that are still available for it. That thing is still going strong.

    • Name Here

      What made you decide to pick up Madden 04 instead of 05 which I though was probably the best game they made for the PS2?

      • Name Herre

        /Xbox :)

      • Ban EA

        It’s what came with the xbox. Didn’t have a chioce. But I plan on playing both. Some say 04 is better than 05 though.

    • Jon BEASTon

      You got robbed. At the store I manage we charge $30 for an OG xbox and a dollar apiece for those two games.

      • Ban EA

        What store is this?

        • 49ersfan1

          gamestop

    • Neetocheeto

      where u buy NFL 2k5? amazon?

      • Ban EA

        I bought all of it in a bundle on Ebay…

    • daley7199

      Dude you are so right. Just today I threw away all my lightbulbs and opted for candles. I threw away my Ipod and My CD player and dug out the old 8 track player. Also threw out my Blu ray player and went back to VHS. And to top it all off, I threw away my PS3 and got me an old Atari 2600 b/c we all know that 10 yard fight is the most ultra realistic football game ever made…………Sheeesh.

      Do you NFL2k5 clowns ever give up. Seriously…. get a clue, get some perspective, and more importantly get a life.

      • Ban EA

        I think you’re an ass clown for this comment. I own a PS3. I’ve owned every Madden on my PS3. This year I will not because the game is so non simulation football that I rather play a football game made 9 years ago. So why don’t you take your comment that made no damn sense and shuv it up your ass…clown.

        • Crimson

          Madden 06. The official Madden of the PS3 launch. The only football game available at launch.

          Every EA employee involved with making of that game needs to have their fucking nuts cut off. That was the beginning of the end for videogame football this gen. It showed us what little to expect from Madden this fucking console generation. I couldn’t believe I wasted $65 on that stank ass garbage. Cut all of their nuts off.

          • GAY

            Dude… I bought Madden 06 for 360, and it was UH MAZE ING.. I mean come on!! One season franchise was awesome! Gameplay was out of this world. I still play it every other Tuesday night with Life Group. GAY!!!

          • Crimson

            LOL. Great use of sarcasm.

      • 49ersfan1

        ur either a widow, loner, or u couldnt get along with this world

    • wolf onatshirt

      You totally got ripped off. You can get the xbox for about 20 bucks off craigslist and couple bucks for those games.

    • NoFro904

      If i had a cookie, i still wouldnt give you one

    • 49ersfan1

      madden is EA…. btw say the truth, u would buy a 360 if it had nfl 2k right? plus u can use most xbox games on the 360

  • DougPlank46

    NBA live is a pathetic game! Only a complete moron would waste money on an EA game knowing that NBA 2k13 is going to be 1 million times better than this!

    • Crimson

      Don’t bet against morons. They put Bush in office…twice, and they put that dictionary loving, condescending asshole, Dennis Miller in a Monday Night Football booth. Morons are the majority.

      • Keith.

        Very sad but true.

      • Amen_Ra

        Bush was understandable, though I’m not a fan, but that Dennis Miller episode was a dark time in sports.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PRNYYXZW5CPECODQZM2VGFZKI4 Jwaan

    As long as players play how they’re supposed to, I don’t really care about ratings in sports games.

    Look at the “stretched-out” ratings in 2K. Those ratings = LeBron is God, Kevin Durant is Jesus, anyone with a high dunk/vertical rating is pure cheese, and all players generally have access to the same moves.

    • pj

      TRUE

    • Crimson

      That may be true, but I’ll tell you what, I have stopped them all from taking over a game. People need to learn how to play defense on NBA2k12. Just stay in front of Lebron, Durant, etc, and PUT YOUR HANDS UP. Push the right stick up when defending these guys and you will ruin their chances of getting off a good shot. Don’t just wait to jump when you think they’re gonna shoot. PUT YOUR HANDS UP!!! I am stopping soo many of these Lebron James lovers online, just by playing defense with the tools 2k has put into the game. Everybody playing NBA2k is thinking so much about offense and neglecting to work on playing good defense. My Celtics are killing em, making these fools rage quit all day..

      • bb

        Beast mode, thank god im not the only one with common sense when it comes to defense smh if your on ps3 lets ball Blak_dice

        • Crimson

          crazy_black_man-@psn

          LETS DO THIS SOMETIME

          • bb

            You know what the funny part is, just putting your hands up in the paint has a better effect on a players shot with a Big man then jumping with Y for a swat and youll get called for a foul less

          • Crimson

            EXACTLY!!! IT WORKS EVERYTIME.

            IT WORKS SO DAMN WELL, I ALMOST DIDN’T WANNA SHARE IT WITH ANYBODY.

            I’M HAVING FUN EVERY DAMN NITE STOPPING ALL THE LEBRONS MY CELTICS COME UP AGAINST!!!

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PRNYYXZW5CPECODQZM2VGFZKI4 Jwaan

        Yeah I know. I can hold my own on defense, not the best at it though. It’s just frustrating when, even if I win, I can’t win the way I want to because of the ratings making players god-like in this game.

      • Lebron Stopper

        I tried to tell people this all along! You have to learn DEFENSE in the NBA 2K games! I played a guy online and I held KING JAMES to 15 points by playing good solid DEFENSE by doing exactly what you said, staying in front of him, putting my hands up, and running other players at him with double teams. Defense in 2K12 is fun once you master it.

        • Crimson

          Thank you. People playing this game really need to learn this.

    • Jaymistic

      Everybody in 2k has an up and under move and can average 3 steals per game if you cheese the proper way. This is a proven fact and ratings don’t even matter.

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/PRNYYXZW5CPECODQZM2VGFZKI4 Jwaan

        Yep. Three cheesiest moves in game: Up and under, that huge ass hop-shot from the post, and spinning out of the post. Actually, the post in general is pure cheese, I had a guy back me down deep into the pain, drop step, and dunk every time with Andrew Bynum. Effing frustrating because who’s gonna matchup well with Bynum? Especially when you’re not expecting that level of cheese.

        • Crimson

          LOL…Yeah, you right. You have to double team him and give up perimeter defense sometimes. If he puts the ball on the floor while trying back your center up, have a guard ready to harass him with a steal attempt from the front. Nothing else you can really do outside of that, and having your center resisting his push, before he tries to spin on you. Then you just have to be ready to release and guess the which direction he will spin. Playing defense is fun on this game once you get the hang of it.

      • Crimson

        Cheese or not, I will make you getting at least 3 charging calls a game. I will make you get 3 sec violations called in the paint when trying to post up, I will make your team’s best shooter’s icon turn “ice blue”, just by playing good defense consistently. Stay in front of people, PUT YOUR HANDS UP when they pick up their dribble to block them from shooting and block their passing options, watch their passing icons to see where they are looking to pass, block their passing lanes, and box out the rebounders. People need to learn how to play true fundamental basketball, and stop worrying about the ratings. This is exactly what you do on the streetcourts, after all.

        • Jaymistic

          So everybody on the Streetcourts has an up and under move? Somebody on the Streetcourts can dunk over 4 people without suffering a penalty in collision? Who can defend that computer cheese at the last minute hitting jumpers like butter. (That was even in a clip in 2k13 wit Manu) Players warping every now and then….Greg Oden slow, knee surgery having ass is still keeping up with D. Rose and my created player in My Player Mode. Defense is not even that good in that game. They thrown in some hand moves to help out, but you get around that. Trust me there is more……

          I understand some of you hate EA as a company, but I refuse to let myself believe that 2k12 was a great game and 2k13 is going to be better. 2k12 was good, but not great. A game getting bashed and they haven’t even shown gameplay yet. That’s some real hate for EA. Lol I feel you guys though….You gotta hate the opposition.

          • Crimson

            “A game getting bashed and they haven’t even shown gameplay yet.”

            Funny you should mention that. And they haven’t even shown gameplay yet….

            Even though we’ve known for like how long of NBA Live 13′s existence? Since before E3.

            No gameplay shown before E3.
            No gameplay shown AT E3.
            No gameplay shown since E3.

            Who cares about these player ratings?! When the hell ARE we gonna see some gameplay? Lets see some gameplay already. Why is this game still a big mystery long after E3? What are you still keeping a such a tight lid on it for?

            I’m thinking that this game is gonna be a joke compared to NBA 2K11, let alone having it go up against NBA2k13. I’m thinking that is why we still haven’t seen any of the gameplay. I could be wrong, but I’d be willing to bet I’m right.

          • Jaymistic

            Development Team had only been together since late last year. EA managing skills aren’t up to par with 2K sports. They lack leadership. The development team didn’t even have enough time. That’s not the development team’s fault. That’s Upper management fault for bad PR, putting development team together late, and just the lack thereof with other issues. I hold them accountable too.

            If the game isn’t ready then it isn’t ready. I’m not going to show the public an unfinished game. They learned from 2010 in that regard. I feel like NBA LIVE 13 will be something new, but it won’t be better than NBA 2k13. However, it will show more promise than 2K13 regarding the future. I’m just keeping it real. EA Sports has more resources than 2K and they need to start using them. 2K still have the same glitchy engine and it’s starting to show it’s age.

          • Crimson

            You said it yourself, if it ain’t ready, it ain’t ready.

            Yo bruh, trust me, it ain’t gonna be ready to go up against 2k this year either. Ain’t no more development team excuses for EA to foul this shit up again. Mark my words.

          • Jaymistic

            Everybody knows they aren’t ready for NBA 2K this year, but I bet you any amount of money that NBA 2K13 isn’t a major upgrade from the previous one.

            About that contenders thing….EA even said it themselves. They aren’t going to knock 2K out this year, but the 2nd year and 3rd year they will contend. They can expand further than NBA 2k at this point. 2K is using an old engine and may be on life support soon if 2K Sports folds in the near future.

            Throw in a couple iso moves, guitar hero themed all-star weekend and that’s about it….What else will they offer? It will be more of the same and at least I can play something “new” with Live and more of the “same” this fall with 2K.

            I will be more critical of EA with NBA Live 14, but until then..

          • Crimson

            “About that contenders thing….EA even said it themselves. They aren’t
            going to knock 2K out this year, but the 2nd year and 3rd year they will
            contend.”

            What kind of marketing strategy is that? Who dares admits that they are going to put out an inferior product, but wait until next year, and the year after that? Why would you even continue to listen after that?
            If you aren’t trying to knock 2k out this year, why even bother putting your game on the shelf? To fund development for the coming years? What kind of bullshit strategy is that?

            Tell me Jaymistic, is that really the marketing strategy that you want to hear from EA about their basketball game? I’ll admit that its the first time they were honest and didn’t totally come off as arrogant, but it also says in plain english, “BUYER BEWARE, COMPARED TO 2K’S GAME, OUR GAME IS GONNA SUCK, BUT THEY’RE NOT GONNA FORCE US TO CANCEL IT AGAIN THIS YEAR! WE ARE DETERMINED TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE SHELF AND CALL IT A BASKETBALL GAME!”

            Wait a minute….that DOES still sound a bit arrogant.

            No thank you. I’m supporting 2K.

          • Jaymistic

            Everybody knows they aren’t ready for NBA 2K this year, but I bet you any amount of money that NBA 2K13 isn’t a major upgrade from the previous one.

            About that contenders thing….EA even said it themselves. They aren’t going to knock 2K out this year, but the 2nd year and 3rd year they will contend. They can expand further than NBA 2k at this point. 2K is using an old engine and may be on life support soon if 2K Sports folds in the near future.

            Throw in a couple iso moves, guitar hero themed all-star weekend and that’s about it….What else can they offer? We all know they won’t have CREW and even if they did the servers wouldn’t be good enough. But I will say this, at least I can play something “new” with Live and more of the “same” this fall with 2K.

            I will be more critical of EA with NBA Live 14, but until then..nah.

          • Skopin

            How biased can you be? How much gameplay has 2k shown of NBA 2k13? They showed a few clips at E3, which showed…no improvement over 2k12 in a normal game, and an awful idea for the dunk contest. I would prefer to see nothing that to see a rehash. And that is exactly what NBA 2k13 is from what they have shown. A rehash of NBA 2k10/2k11/2k12. The changes in those games have been minimal at best. Adding a new mode and Jordan are not big changes. They don’t change the way the game plays and sure as hell don’t fix all the problems from the previous versions. NBA 2k focuses more on aesthetics than gameplay.

          • Crimson

            I gotta admit, I’m pretty biased. If 2K just made a basketball game strictly to play online, and they constantly updated the moves as they happen in the NBA, that’s about all I would need. I don’t play Association, My Player, or any of the other modes. I don’t have the time. I strictly play online and I’m having fun. If they made just an online basketball game with constant roster updates for about $30, that would be all that I needed.

            As far as those other yearly changes seeming minimal to you, every version of their game has always felt fresh and new to me. 2K has swayed me to continue to support them over the trash that EA continues to put on the sales rack. They show a passion and enthusiasm for the sport that they are simulating, that I just can’t get from EA Sports. I’m sorry, I know it sounds fanboyish, biased and all, but its just the way I feel about their basketball and football games. I think they are the best games available. I have been playing EA Sports games since the Sega Genesis and I think its time they changed the way they view their customer. I’m just not feeling the love from EA in their product. I’m tired of the arrogance.

            I say no to EA’s arrogant motto..it is not “IN THE FUCKING GAME”.

          • Crimson

            Oh and that bit about any player in NBA2K12 “dunking over 4 people….”

            Yeah, okay. If that is happening to you when you’re playing the game, even once or twice, and you can’t figure out how to stop it from happening, then maybe you SHOULD wait for NBA Live 13 to come out. It’s only for the BALLERS. Learn how to defend against all that stuff or just stay offline. At your level, 2K’s basketball game probably just ain’t right for you anyway. NBA2K12 is the easily the best basketball game ever made since NBA2K11. I can almost guarantee you right now that NBA LIVE13 won’t be able to hold a candle to NBA2K13. EA’s got everything to hide. 2K? Not so much.

          • Jaymistic

            No. My point is that dunking on 4 people should not be happening from the get go. LOL I am waiting for NBA Live 13 to come out and like I said before, I am buying both games regardless of me being disappointed with either one. Also, I’ve been playing 2k since NBA 2k1 and NBA LIVE since 95′.

            NBA 2k12 is not great. It’s good, but not good as 2k11 and it’s losing it’s luster because like OUR boy said on Spike TV, “Fans want more of the same.” Same bullshit..I hope my game isn’t unplayable like earlier this year when you couldn’t even get past the start menu. I put up with 2k’s bullshit too. 2K not showing too much gameplay either…..I saw the same shot clock cheese and lack of defense with the mini clip they showed. Not impressed so far. That hiding comment is irrelevant. They should hide that all-star weekend, guitar hero shit they are trying to sell to me. lol

          • Crimson

            I feel your pain. My point being made is still that NBA 2K12 is the absolute best basketball videogame ever made to date. Whether its better than 2k11 or not, is a personal opinion. I think its much better, you may not. I also feel that it suits my tastes for what a current gen basketball videogame should be, and that is consistently fun and competitive. It has great gameplay, great commentary, great atmosphere recreating a live broadcast from a NBA basketball arena, excellent crowd noise, everything I expect from a 2K Sports game. I love playing the game. I think I’m pretty good at it and I play within the confines of doing what is allowable in the game and not trying to do what is impossible. You buy what suits your tastes, and for me, 2k basketball fits the bill. Just like you, I’ve owned all of 2K’s previous efforts, so I knew what I was getting when I bought 2K12. I will not even be considering an EA basketball game anytime in the near future. In fact, the earliest I can expect for EA to entice me enough to purchase one of their next gen efforts at recreating a basketball sim is on the eve of the 17th of fucking never.

          • Jaymistic

            2k has been the only Simulated Basketball Video Game on the market. There is no competition, but with no competition comes the negatives. You are critiqued more often and constantly being watched. People see flaws, glitches, weaknesses and etc. 2k12 is not a major upgrade. There will be no major upgrades in 2k13 either. It’s more of the “Same”. Especially with Presentation. If I wanted somebody to represent me and show of my stats and honors, it would be 2K. They have the presentation when it comes to sport games, especially NBA 2k. You can’t beat that shit. It just looks good. Looks get old though… We will see though. EA will change your mind or not and like you said, It’s your opinion.

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    • bb

      fuck you

      • Neetocheeto

        getting a lone from black crack dealers doesnt sound good to me :(

        • Jaymistic

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  • tish

    What is the purpose of his article? To tell us that Live’s shitty ratings will supposedly be slightly less shitty?

    • Crimson

      Not really. It just got us talking more about NBA 2K up in here. Sorry EA. It just ain’t worth it. If you knew what was good for you, you would just cancel this one too, like you did NBA Elite.

  • #teamheat

    anybody know how to put these HD patches on 2k12 from this site….
    http://nba-2k.com/

  • DrivenWord94

    Can’t wait for nba live 13

  • 49ersfan1

    look at the terrible graphics ^^^

  • The Condition Black

    It doesn’t take into account that this draft class is much deeper than three years ago (because so many tip talents stayed in school as a result of the lockout).

  • Dee

    all yall r haters ea is going to kick 2K A?? and im willing to put money on it

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