EA Sports Must Evaluate Their Dedication to NBA and Make Tough Decision

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Posted October 5th, 2012 at 11:15 am

When EA Sports announced that NBA Live 13 had been cancelled it came as little surprise to anyone following developments behind the series. The signs have been there for months and were covered extensively. Still, despite seemingly all reasoning otherwise, the company claims work on Live will continue with a release next fall. Everyone should recognize however that plans such as that are tentative at best. The series could be ended for good as soon as their next financial call with investors which would be the time to announce such a move. 

Throughout the summer coverage of the game included mentions of the potential of a cancellation and that the series could effectively be dead with a troubled release, delay and release, and even just the outright cancellation – though the potential of returning is much higher after a cancellation compared to the other options. EA Sports has poured tens of millions into development of Live over the past three years and received zero in returns.

Expectations were certainly low even had Live 13 released but that doesn’t change that money has been essentially thrown away one way or the other. EA can’t continue to justify such an investment. With the next console generation approaching, likely next fall, concentrating efforts there would be most worthwhile. Whether the NBA – which has to be extremely frustrated with EA – would grant them the ability to just focus on producing a game for the next generation is questionable. It is telling however that they were apparently willing to let EA release the game for $20 as a digital download when the product that has actually represented them well, NBA 2K, would not have such flexibility granted whether they would utilize it or not.

Kotaku has gone as far as to call for EA to give up on NBA Live. Considering how bare-bones Live 13 was planned to be that’s understandable if their vision is so shortsighted. That isn’t necessarily the only route to take even with the current turmoil. As a brand, not having the NBA damages the company as a whole, the same as not having MLB has reduced brand value. One could easily however argue that having NBA Live under the umbrella is actually doing more harm than having nothing at all. Certainly just about everyone would take the trade-off that would be EA dropping NBA and shifting focus to an MLB game. That, unfortunately for the time being, doesn’t seem to be a realistic proposition in the company’s mind.

One thing is for sure and that is all trust with consumers towards EA’s NBA products is gone. There has been a three year gap since the release of their last sim NBA game and they’ve been unable to produce one worthy of even hitting the market. There are a lot of bad games that are deemed acceptable for release. They may not have the responsibility to a league that EA does here, making it something the company can’t just dump on the market and move on from, but it goes to show just how poor the state of Live has become. Unfortunately the very good NBA Live 10 has been dissolved in favor of taking a risk and trying to convince consumers they want something different than they actually do…then failing to produce anything and embarrassing everyone involved in the process. Even still public statements suggest they are having difficulty to accepting reality and responsibility for the hole they’ve dug themselves.

EA learned some from the NBA Elite 11 fiasco. They were far less arrogant in their promotion of Live 13. Still, the manner in which they handled things such as selectively showing the game, running a transparent “contest” for a community event, and refusing to comment on the product leaving consumers in the dark throughout the summer was a huge mistake. They needed to be completely open and honest. If anyone thinks that Live would be in a worse state because they involved fans or apprised media of developments they’re delusional. They can’t trick people back into wanting their NBA product and disguising the process only creates additional skepticism.

Back when NBA Elite 11 was delayed EA president John Riccitiello responded to a question on whether there would be an NBA game in 2011 with “We’re EA Sports, for Christ’s sake.” Such a statement should haunt them. It represents exactly the attitude that has to change if the company is to have any hope of winning people back in the years to come.

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  • Keith.

    EA needs to seriously evaluate their NCAA and NHL series as well. According to the new weekly sales data, NCAA only sold 6,794 copies on PS3 this week (and even less than that on 360), while NHL sold a whopping 11,031 (360) and 8,107 (PS3) this week in just its 3rd week of release. Ouch!

    • http://www.facebook.com/anthony.gaud Anthony Gaud

      Where did you get these figures from? According to IGN, NHL 13 is the best selling NHL game to date.

      http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/09/20/nhl-13-sales-set-franchise-record

      • Keith.

        Look at the fine print — That’s based on EA’s “internal estimates.” Here’s the newest numbers I’m looking at:

        http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41182/USA/

        • mcmax3000

          I would trust the publisher (especially one that is a public company, and legally has to be truthful in statements like that) as far as sales information before I would trust a site that has flat out admitted to completely making up sales information in the past.

          • Keith.

            Vgchartz is as accurate as npd — both are just educated guesses, best when compared year over year.

            EA doesn’t have to account for “internal estimates” used in press releases — yes, they’re a public company but these aren’t financial disclosures. Do you really think EA has accurate numbers re: the number of copies of Fifa some mom and pop store in Mexico sold last week?

            Again, EA’s citing “internal estimates” for a reason.

          • mcmax3000

            I’m not saying EA’s numbers are perfect, but I will never take VGChartz as a credible source for sales data. I’ve read too many articles about how they come up with their data to ever take anything they say seriously.

            NPD, while also not perfect, at least gets the data they use directly from many large retailers, so I’d say they’re far & away the most reliable.

          • Keith.

            So does vgchartz — here’s a link to their methodology:

            http://www.vgchartz.com/methodology.php

          • mcmax3000

            I’ll counter with this link: http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2008/06/why-we-dont-ref/ and leave it at that as far as their credibility goes.

            However, even if they were credible, the link you provided shows they’re a worthless source for how well NHL is, or is not doing, simply because they don’t have any data for Canada (and, to be fair, neither does NPD).

            NHL games are HUGE up here. Back when 2K existed, EA & 2K’s hockey games were number one, and number two (usually switching between them for the top spot) for months into the hockey season.

            This year, there were banners all over my local Wal-Mart for NHL 13 the week before it released, and there’s still a huge one outside as of the last time I was there. Hell, there were places up here that did midnight openings for NHL 13. I don’t know of any other sports game anywhere that gets that.

            Maybe it was all hype for little sales, I don’t know, but to judge how well an NHL game is, or isn’t doing, without Canadian data is flat out bogus.

    • http://www.facebook.com/IndySportsGuy Tyler Drake

      Keith, NCAA football needs a complete overhaul, I agree with you on that. NHL, however, is suffering from 2 very big things that are beyond EA’s control. One, hockey is a niche sport in the USA. Always has been and probably always will be, because hockey is better seen live than on TV. Two, Lockouts never help sales. Although I love EA’s post release support of NHL, it’s just not going to sell itself in a year with a lockout. NHL 13 is a good game, however, no one should buy it until the season actually starts. If it ever does.

      • Keith.

        I don’t necessarily disagree with you — I’ve held off purchasing NHL for the same reason (lockout). But, it’s gotta be hard for EA to justify spending much $$$ on development on a series that’s been in a sales decline for years, and which looks like it’s going to get hammered even more this year due to the lockout.

    • Amen_Ra

      Yo Keith how are Madden sales doing?

      Neither you or Pasta has revisited it

      • Keith.

        Madden’s up slightly (less than 10%) over last year, from what I can tell. Given NCAA’s sales woes, and the fact that EA purportedly doubled the size of the Madden budget this year, I don’t think anybody at EA is doing cartwheels.

        I’m guessing EA hopes this week’s patch news will light a fire under Madden’s sales numbers — we’ll have to wait and see on that.

        • Amen_Ra

          I was hearing that after the initial week, week to week sales have declined. My copy is collecting dust until that new patch drops October 18

          • Keith.

            Amazon reviews certainly won’t help. With the positive reviews rolling in for 2K, Madden’s 2 star rating stands out even more.

          • Skopin

            The 2 major complaints people have had with the game (and in the Amazon reviews) are supposed to be fixed with the patch in 2 weeks. Fantasy drafts were added in (online only for some reason) and player editing is coming with this patch. The CCM AI is also being fixed, which was another huge complaint. If the patch actually does what it’s supposed to, I’m sure the reviews will improve greatly.

          • Keith.

            One other very important thing to keep in mind when looking at Madden’s sales numbers this year. You can STILL buy M13 for either 360 or PS3 for roughly $40 on Amazon. In all the years I’ve been playing football videogames, I’ve never seen Madden available so cheaply so early in the year. By Black Friday, they’re going to be giving the game away.

            Which makes analyzing Madden’s sales numbers very deceiving. And it’s not just Amazon. The next time you think about M13′s sales numbers, consider that TRU has a deal this week on EA Sports games — buy one of these lousy EA Sports games and get another lousy EA Sports game for $9.99 with free shipping. Apparently, the deal is good in store as well.

            Here’s the list of games — keep them in mind when hearing about EA’s sales numbers this year. Surely, it’s gotta be hitting EA in the pocket:

            NCAA Football 13
            Madden 13
            FIFA 13
            NHL 13

          • Keith.

            Here’s a link — gotta get rid of all of that excess EA Sports inventory somehow! LoL

            http://www.toysrus.com/searchHandler/index.jsp?promoId=15795416&type=trigger

        • http://pastapadre.com/ pastapadre

          Patches don’t affect sales. This is a move to get more positive momentum for next year now.

    • smsixx

      The only thing preventing me from buying NHL is the current lockout…I can’t find myself getting into a sports title if their is no season happening.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bc-Wendel/100001405486130 B.c. Wendel

        Me, too. If they were playing, I would be, too. But until they do, I won’t be buying the game. I love hockey but without a season it holds no appeal.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bc-Wendel/100001405486130 B.c. Wendel

      So you want there to be no college football or hockey video games at all? And you would jizz yourself if 2K got the NFL license. Do you want there to be a 2K sports game monopoly? I don’t know what you want, other than to say EA SUXX 2K RULZ. You are by far the worst thing about this site.

      • Keith.

        Thanks, man!

  • Jrocc

    they need to follow in the steps of their own FIFA game. make a FIBA for next year. the EuroLeague alone is made up of teams from leagues in Spain, Italy, Turkey, Germany, Greece, Russia, France, etc. not to mention some South American leagues and the Chinese league. you’ve got a pretty deep game there already. then throw in the international squads. it could be something special. for good measure, throw in the women’s game. you’ve got the WNBA, more Euro teams and a bunch more international teams.

    they’ve got to do something to differentiate themselves. at this point, who’s really going to buy an NBA Live game from EA in the future? or even care? they’ve already got the model with FIFA and it works. if they don’t do this, they need to just focus on Madden and FIFA.

  • mcmax3000

    It amazes me how many people complain about a lack of competition in sports games, yet they’re the first to call for the death of NBA Live.

    Regardless of whether or not you care about the series, basketball is really the last bit of potential competition left in the genre, so you should want Live to continue, even if just to give 2K a reason to make sure they continue to put their best foot forward each year.

    • Crimson

      “Regardless of whether or not you care about the series, basketball is
      really the last bit of potential competition left in the genre, so you
      should want Live to continue, even if just to give 2K a reason to make
      sure they continue to put their best foot forward each year.”

      Goddammit,….NBA Live continuing has zero effect on 2K’s best efforts. Did you see how far “Live” was in development after 3 years, and where NBA 2K is now? Are you stupid or what? If your answer is “No, I’m not stupid”, then, by all means, please stop saying such stupid shit. NBA Live can’t even challenge “Backyard Basketball” in an effort to force THAT game to continually improve.

      PEOPLE, PLEASE, PLEASE, STOP SAYING THIS STUPID SHIT ABOUT NBA LIVE KEEPING 2K HONEST. THE NBA LIVE TEAM WILL NEVER EVER BE A CREDIBLE THREAT TO NBA 2K TEAM, SO STOP THE MADNESS!!!

      • Black Ranger

        PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE…

        Calm the fuck down. It’s not that serious.

        • Crimson

          That was calm.

      • mcmax3000

        First of all, I never said that EA’s basketball game would be good at all if the series were to continue. I never once said that it would at all be a challenge to 2K from a quality standpoint.

        That type of talk is all YOU reading what you want to believe I said, because you, and many others around here can’t stand the thought that someone would even think to make any comment that isn’t “FUCK EA”.

        My point actually was that competition of any kind will always push the developers to put a little bit extra in to make their game that much better than the other one, which in the end is good for consumers.

        Two of the last three years, 2K has still been developing with the expectation of EA also launching an NBA game alongside them in October.

        I never said that 2K was suddenly going to go to shit without competition, but given what we’ve seen in other sports (baseball from 2K, and football from EA) with no competition, it’s reasonable to worry that 2K might not put in quite the effort that they have in the past if they know for sure EA is out of basketball for good.

        (While I don’t expect there’s any chance at all that it would happen to NBA 2K, 2K’s baseball game did go from excellent to shit in a single year when they got the exclusive license, so it’s not unheard of)

        • Sniper

          Competition or not, 2K is DEDICATED to making the best NBA game it can. Their hearts are just in it, and it really has nothing to do with Live honestly. You can tell the those developers at NBA 2K are TRUE basketball fans because they really pay attention to the little thins, something that EA always fail to do. And IMO, 2K has NEVER had an excellent baseball game. A couple were OK at best, but for the most part 2K baseball has been mediocre to downright awful, and they actually have competition in baseball with MLB The Show. They just can’t make baseball games like they can basketball. Basketball is where they shine, just like Hockey is where EA shines.

          • mcmax3000

            Obviously it’s completely a mater of opinion, but I thought 2K did have an excellent baseball game, for the time, back at the end of the last generation of hardware. I really enjoyed MLB 2K5.

            Then, when they moved to the 360 for 2K6, with their exclusive license, the series went completely to shit.

    • gutaku

      FIFA and Pro Evo have the best sports game rivalry of all.

      • mcmax3000

        Is it still a big rivalry though?

        I’ll admit I don’t follow soccer games as much, but it seemed like Pro Evo kind of fell off the map a few years ago. All I really hear about it now is when they announce that the new game’s demo is out.

        I know that back towards the end of last generation, and the beginning of this one though, it was a super heated rivalry, with Pro Evo generally considered to be the better game of the two.

    • marzing

      i agree 100% nba2k is turning into EA’S madden,take away a give what they want. no live no crew second year. they lock so many modes on the disc..crewmode is on nb2k, fantasy mode was on the game b4 they ”patched” madden.

    • jusmegamer

      EA is not the only company that can provide competition. Get your lame ass off there nuts. I would like to see some other company make a game. Why in the hell is anyone still waiting on EA after them fucking over everyone for 3 years straight other than they are EA nuthuggers.

      • mcmax3000

        I don’t necessarily care if EA is the company that provides competition, I just don’t realistically see any other company looking to get into the sports genre anytime soon, so the most likely source of competition would be EA.

  • lonnie

    why don’t they just put those millions into making a collage hoops game? it would take them years and years if ever? to catch up to the standard 2k has set in their nba game but there is a void in collage hoops,yes i know it would never sell in huge numbers but at least it would sell and they could of gotten something for those millions they spent.

    • mcmax3000

      The NCAA Football lawsuit pretty much guarantees that no company is going to be touching a college basketball game anytime in the near future.

      • http://pastapadre.com/ pastapadre

        Yep…the lawsuit makes even the future of a college football game uncertain.

        College basketball already just didn’t sell. Effectively, any company would be potentially losing money on a college game every year.

  • clubsteve

    maybe ea should have just focused on releasing a fiba title (seeing how popular the international game is now) and went with that instead of competing with 2k. they could have completed any fixes with this title and made improvements for a future nba game. i don’t know what they can do now to restore consumer faith now. i mean, two cancellations in a row is not a good track record.

  • Skopin

    Honestly, I don’t feel that the cancellations will affect future sales that much, if they decide to continue with NBA Live. With the ability to release demos prior to the release of the game, giving people the chance to try it out, they just have to make a quality game to win the players back. Obviously that’s easier said than done, though. Honesty would go a long way as well.

    Granted, they are going to need to go all out to make it happen. This year’s NBA 2k game is a vast improvement over the last few years, and with them adopting the right stick dribble controls that EA has used [and arguably better than EA has done prior to Elite (be honest, Elite's dribble stick was great)], and a functional online component for the first time, they are going to have a huge mountain to climb to win anyone back.

  • http://twitter.com/Starfoxleon The Great Leon

    Drop it and give that money to the Madden and NCAA team(if we continue to get this made). Those games still have problems and maybe more attention and money will help.

  • jusmegamer

    EA is garbage and they don’t like competition. They want to be superior and they can’t see a way to do that with 2K basketball or the Show. So, they simply want make a basketball or baseball game until they can find a way that they think they can come back and be superior. They don’t care about competition like you EA nuthuggers think so quit saying that you want them back because competition is good. You are only making yourself look more fanboyish when they continue to show you with actions that they don’t care about being competitive. They only care about being big man on campus.

  • Wes

    They [EA] should release a decent game and price it at $19.99. Then they should stop making their game and let 2K get the exclusive NBA rights… and the fanboys will forever be in their corner. Hey, it’s happened before.

    • yzx

      2K is horrible bro

  • James

    i miss good ole nba live 10….. Nba 2kxx has become too complicated in my opinion. The instruction manual has pages and pages of different moves – most of which are useless.

    Companies need to stop over-complicating the control systems

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