2K Sports Thinks NBA Elite 11 “Looks Awful”

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Posted June 28th, 2010 at 12:00 pm

Last year both NBA games had their share of issues but 2K Sports and EA Sports engaged in an ugly campaign meant to put down the competition’s product. The back and forth included 2K questioning the first patch for NBA Live 10 and its inclusion of community feedback. EA Sports retaliated with a blog showcasing complaints about NBA 2K10 and all the people who were selling it on Craigslist. It was an embarrassing series of events that ended up making both companies look bad and created the perception they were worried more about the competition than making sure their own products delivered on promises.

Could the bickering for this coming year be starting already? In response to the NBA Elite 11 footage posted late last week 2K Sports representative Ronnie Singh had this to say:

Wow that looks awful. And you were worried.

Both companies have stated that the public bickering between them would cease and full concentration would be on putting out the best products possible. This statement suggests otherwise and that animosity is clearly still present. I don’t think anyone would have expected either side to be talking about the competition publicly after the backlash that came with their actions last year but here we are still in June and it has already taken place.

This is essentially the only major sport that includes competition these days. It’s arguable whether that has led to better products the last few years but there is more hope for just that with EA Sports scrambling by reinventing its franchise and 2K Sports resting comfortably as the leader in the market with Michael Jordan as the NBA 2K11 cover athlete.

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  • Skopin

    I don't really understand why everyone says that Elite looks bad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N60CWoezUc&hd=1

    Yes, the character models are not as good as 2k, but the controls for Elite are the real selling point. And they are actually showing how it has changed and improved. 2k on the other hand hasn't released anything other than a crappy trailer that doesn't even show new footage, and they announced that MJ will be on the cover. To me, that says that they aren't even trying to actually improve their game. Honestly, 2k10 was full of glitches and bugs, and the AI was absolutely terrible. There were so many issues with losing control of the player, especially on defense. Those are the things the need to focus on, not who the cover athlete is. Their new presentation was 75% recycled from 2k9, and the few new things they added seemed like they were thrown in at the last minute. Again, my point is that EA is making an honest effort, and to me it looks very promising. The dribble moves look great, and from the demo video, it looks very responsive. Granted it needs some work, but they have plenty of time. But for Ronnie to say that when they haven't released anything, and 2k10 was a joke from release, is ridiculous. Also, on a side note, They need to fix the uniforms in 2k. Every player looks fat because they make the jerseys too baggy. And both games need to fix the shorts. Not everyone wears their shorts knee length.
    </rant>

  • daley7199

    2k will never reach the 90 plateau on Metacritic simply because they keep releasing the same game every year and they never infuse anything worth of the higher scores. The same thing happens to most sequels in games too. The critics are wowed by the first game but when the second game comes out the critics are less enamored since they seen it already. Is it fair, no, but that is how it is with critics.

    • Anonymous

      why fix it if it ain’t broke? 2k knows what works and they stick to it. They don’t advertise BS features every year like EA. They stay put, make what is best and give us the best B-ball game every single year.

  • guest

    thank you for posting the real video instead of that cell phone crap everybody has been laughing at. The game looks 100x better when somebody who actually knows how to play plays……

  • big

    Live/Elite is dead

  • daley7199

    That is exactly why 2k fans are complete morons. On the one hand they say that NBA2k looks worlds better than Elite/Live and then is the same breath will say how NFL2k5's gameplay puts Madden to shame.

    So what?……are we to discern from these to statements that Graphics only matter in bastketball games but not in Football and gameplay only matters in football but not basketball.

    This is why anything a 2k fanboy said should be met with indifference.

  • daley7199

    What does any of that have to do with gameplay, which by the way is most important. NBA players are drenched in sweat throughout the entire game and EA chose to represent in the game. What is your problem. You douchebag 2k fans complain about lack of different sneakers in 2k and have the nerve to complain when EA chooses to put sweat on the players.

    I think its you who are gay in this scenario my friend.

  • daley7199

    It doesn't look awful…this isn't bickering, it is stating fact. 🙂 …………..because I say its fact… 😛

  • sroeland

    And the folks at 2K should have confidence – they rule the NBA video game court – but their time should be best spent bettering their own game than bashing EA's product. Let results speak for themselves. Ronnie just comes off as a jerk by doing this.

    And 2K's hoops game, while better than EA's, is not perfect. I read somehwere (maybe here?) that they still use the same online structure that the used for NBA games released for Dreamcast…

  • Mike

    The more they argue, the more they will try and top one another… this will result in us getting the best game.

  • jnef

    The video looks much improved, and i know its only the beginning but looking at that one drive to the basket where jennings was defended, it looked like the defence had no options when put into a situation like that, he just got run over with no affect on the offensive players shot. It wasn't altered, affected or anything. To me the dribble moves look very similar to live 10's. The shot mechanic is a good idea, but it seems like a shot meter, similar to playstations NBA game. If I am understanding this correctly, if I know the shot release for a player like Kobe, I would be able to make every single shot if I master his release, unless a defender blocks it. That seems unrealistic. I will rent NBA Elite to try it out, but I still prefer older basketball games' (live and 2k's) shot mechanics. The one thing I do like is bank shots in elite, because not all bank shots that go in will look the same, hopefully. Despite all this, right now in my opinion, elite doesn't look good, considering what I said above. I mean, how hard can it be to make Jennings shoot left handed? I know it's early but at least show a right handed player shooting right handed. I hope they didn't do that on purpose…

  • Mat

    This is awesome! Can only motivate them to make better games!!

  • ThisIsReality

    Couldn't have said it better.

  • It looks terrible to me. Just like Live 10..maybe worse actually..I can't really speak on it without playing the demo but it looks like it won't be worth the money.

  • Wow, this headline actually made me laugh, not because I'm sticking up for either side but just because he would say that. It just sounded funny.

    I don't really have much to say about the Elite vs NBA2K deally but I will say that Elite has a heavy lead on getting my dollars, this year. I liked what was done with Live 10 and haven't liked what 2K has been doing with their NBA series for a while but just tolerated it since Live was weak for so long.

    Last year, only Live 10 got my money which is a first. I usually try to pickup both but 2K had me for a while where I didn't buy Live. Live 08 kept me away from 2K8, even though I had both and 2K9 had me all the way where I didn't even mess with Live 09 because I didn't think Live 09 stepped it up, much, based on the demo. Live 10 sold me and I like the direction it gave to lead to what Elite 11 is doing.
    We'll see how this year goes.

  • Veneere

    maybe 2K should worry about their own shit.

    http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39

  • Sdot

    LOL WHO SED DAT 2K WASN'T SPENDIN DEER TIME FOCUSIN ON DEER GM RONNIE AIN'T NO DEV HE DOESN'T ACTUALLY MAKE DA GM

    SO HIM TAKIN TIME 2 DISS EA HAS NOTHIN 2 DO WIT 2K DEVS TAKIN TIME OUT FROM DEER OWN PRODUCT

  • hahah this is so funny i have played both 2ks game play is by far better but there servers are one of the worst servers i have ever seen, But this years elite looks really good and it sounds like 2k sports is worred

  • I love having this dispute I wish 2k still had football

  • sroeland

    What I am saying is that Ronnie should spend more time boosting his game if he's so confident. Talk about how 2K11 is gonna be awesome because _______.

    You work for 2K. Keep your talk about 2K. Especially when your game is falling into the “so familiar, it's becoming stale” category.

  • Grego

    I had Madden 05 and NFL 2k5. I preferred madden because of the competetiveness when playing with friends.
    In 2k5 any child could average 200 rushing/Kick Return yards per game. They let you boost by button mashing and then when a defender comes, you quickly charge up a circle that lets you break any tackle? It was not a bad game at all but people are holding onto it too hard. I don't think madden is horrible but it really did start to fall a bit after 2008.

    About 2K and live, I owned both Live 05 and NBA 2K5. 2K was too easy for me so I left it for the bigger challenge back then. I would rather get live today because I have more fun. I rather good controls instead of creepily hunched/bulky shoulders, floating jerseys, and great faces. and if they can make Elite look like 2010 but play a bit more like 08/09, then I'd be the happies man alive.

  • Amen Ra

    LMAO, man you defend EA like it's a sickness.
    Just face it duke, Live sucked and so will Elite.

    Madden is ok. FIFA, Tiger Woods, NCAA and NHL rule. How the fuck does that make me a 2k douchebag. Funny you are always calling out 2K fanboys but you are obviously the resident EA dick jockey.

  • Amen Ra

    Try playing on higher lvls and adjusting sliders. Every sports game invented is easily beatable through glitches. Stop playing like a cheezer

  • Amen Ra

    You mean the same shit did with EA, but you were cool with that though weren't you. It was ok for Madden to plish eh? Man shut yo punk ass up

  • Nba live/elite sucks how do u play live seriously i remember steve nash use to dunk in live lol

  • real

    The game was being played by two people that had no idea how to play. EA didnt put that crap up.
    the game gives you full control and even the control in live 10 was way ahead of 2k10.
    it gives you so much control that if you drive right its up to you to put the ball in your right hand.

    thats where 2k would put a canned crossover in. 2k has stated their direction and its clear it the same direction live 10 had.

    so this is funny. even wang said he left 2k because it had reached it ceiling, could progress no futher and ea had better tech.

    have you seen the 7 min gamespot demo? if pasta put that up you would all see the hype for the early buiild is well deserved.

    about the 1 on 1 vid that looks terrible because it in control of terrible players. gone are the days where the fact that im a good player doesnt mean anything. skill in elite will show due to full control.

    where 2k i could lose to anyone with turbo and lebron.

    truth hurts huh?

  • LIVE BOII

    The game was being played by two people that had no idea how to play. EA didnt put that crap up.
    the game gives you full control and even the control in live 10 was way ahead of 2k10.
    it gives you so much control that if you drive right its up to you to put the ball in your right hand.

    thats where 2k would put a canned crossover in. 2k has stated their direction and its clear it the same direction live 10 had.

    so this is funny. even wang said he left 2k because it had reached it ceiling, could progress no futher and ea had better tech.

    have you seen the 7 min gamespot demo? if pasta put that up you would all see the hype for the early buiild is well deserved.

    about the 1 on 1 vid that looks terrible because it in control of terrible players. gone are the days where the fact that im a good player doesnt mean anything. skill in elite will show due to full control.

    where 2k i could lose to anyone with turbo and lebron.

    truth hurts huh?

  • LIVE BOII

    this is true. pay attention people

  • TREY

    HAHAHA,RONNIE IS THE FUCKIN MAN!!!

  • MGOATJ

    WOW! you're f@cking defensive, so many excuses for your game, neither of the two video shows promise to become a sim basketball. its just the control man, so dont compare the no.1 rated and no.1 selling basketball video game to your elite, your gameplay have so many area to fix than the 2k, release the game before you compare. wait for nba 2k11 to get out of the bus oh wait its part of the presentation shit how great it is.. haha dont play video game play basketball haha

  • You're an idiot

    Nope, no college degrees. Just a couple of high school dropouts designing video games in their basements. And that's how they made the #1 rated and #1 selling basketball game in the world. Dumbass

  • MGOATJ

    WARNING! daley7199 is a stalker, he followed ronnie 2k postings! i thought you're an ea fanboy? you're more scared than anyone ea fanboys that posting here. If you beleive in your game why wasting your time reading ronnie's post? I smell FEAR….BUSTED… haha dont play video game play basketball haha…

  • deepen03

    Hey you can't fight the truth right? NBA Elite does look pathetic, so Ronnie has a point. Don't deny the truth EA!

  • Uoat

    typical bullshit from Ronnie. the guy needs to learn to shut his mouth and worry about the games from his own company being decent.

  • jonathan

    elite's controls look really good from that video. that might be all i need to buy the game, assuming 2k doesnt change much

  • 5wide

    LOL the fact that NBA ELITE has turned to the same shot stick as NBA 2K shows that its a defeated company haha thats hilarious as hell 2 me.

  • Jamal

    man u guys are trippin you guys are fuckin dumb look at nba elite 11 picture if have played nba live 10 its the same picture from nba live 10 the 2k sports dumb ass got this right of the website nba elite 11 is not going to release any screenshots because the nba season just got over and they cant do this because xbox 360 and playstation 3 has to change their games because they wouldnt make money and ea sports is not stupid why would the have the same damn screenshot knowing they are competing with 2k sports you have to think! Anyway i have nba live 10 of course it has it flaws but at least when your playing online you dont lose your record and have to wait for a damn patch update. For all the real basketball players and fans dont be stupid get nba elite 11 and forget 2kshit11 just cause it has michael jordan on the cover doesnt mean its a good game.

  • Stlaw420

    boi stop………..2k is the better series……….easports is trash…..all they casre about is the presentation of the game and leaves out all the fundamentals

  • Jamal

    stlaw u are a stupid motherfucker 2k is fuckin weak gameplay is so fuckin off if you actually play this i will prey for you and all of these other fools

  • T Deidrick

    man E.A. should stick to madden cuz the live series looked bad since live99 it looks like a bad catoon

  • Skopin

    That's why 2k hasn't actually improved since 2k7. No one holds them to improving gameplay as long as the graphics are good. The AI has been awful, the controls in 2k10 were so incredibly inconsistent because of all of the animations. Yes, it looks good, but not when you try to take a charge and instead you jump up and foul the shooter. Honestly, Live 10 didn't look bad at all. Yes, the player movement was a little robotic, and the fans moved in unison a lot, but the models and arenas looked decent. I would much rather have a game with decent graphics and responsive controls over a game with great graphics and little control over my player. Also, 2k boasted their new presentation last year, and it was awful. At first it was cool because it was something different, but when you see the same stuff over and over you really notice how bad and repetitive it is. The play by play is horrible, the stat cuts are a good idea but they didn't implement it well at all: there's no lead in to most of them. Honestly, they just need to completely scrap their old commentary, not just polish it up. Anyways, both games have a lot of improvements to make, and I like the direction that EA is heading. I can't really say anything as far as 2k goes as we haven't seen anything aside from Jordan, but I hope that they spend time improving the controls and responsiveness in addition to marketing MJ.
    /rant

  • Sean Collier

    Sup Pasta, I passed on LIVE the last two years, but I'm getting Elite no matter whatt this year, it's destiny. Jam & Elite together my two favorite sports games of all time for the same price, no brainer.

    I'll hold on to 2K10 and work at it, so many controls to master, that so few master.

    One thing I've noticed is theres no gameplay vids for any of these games at this point of the process isn't there usually gameplay vids by now. I'm not talking about blips either.

  • Amen Ra is so gay

    Amen Ra is so gay